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Old 07-21-2010, 12:04 PM   #361
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All the cars out seem to have different hole patterns and screw sizes. I will make the sub plates to fit each car. The front end mounts to the 2 sub plates. If i make sub plates to fit each car that is in demand for our front end, all that would be needed that is different from the front end kit is the 2 small carbon fiber sub plates. I hope this makes sense. I will post better pictures soon so you can get a more visual understanding.
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Old 07-21-2010, 05:50 PM   #362
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The new car looks really good Jason,
I was debating building another 1/12 for local club racing this winter.
I think you have made up my mind with this new car and front end.

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Old 07-21-2010, 07:42 PM   #363
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I know what you mean Jason. The front end doesn't bolt to the chassis, it bolts to the plates. Then the plates are bolted down to the chassis. So the only part that would be different would the plates. So with the right plate, the front end should fit ANY car on the market today, no matter what hole spacing and screw size it uses.
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Old 07-22-2010, 01:15 AM   #364
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the front end does look very interesting indeed and a 1:1 replacement for the asso style front end. I still use my RC10L2 so it should be a direct fit. It seems the pivotball housing is fixed with 2 small 2/52 screws that are threaded in the 3mm carbon arms? Is it possible to use small locknuts and longer screws to tighten down the pivotball housing?

I found that sometimes the carbon top layers will delaminate when a screw is threaded into it splitting the top layers apart. Also It should be just a little more sturdy in a crash? Just a thought.

I am not sure what difference there will be in handling (if any?) when the arms are more at an angle upwards or downwards when adjusting ride height? With full 1:10 pancar tires i gues the arms will be angled upwards to keep the chasis low enough and with smaller tires the arms go down at an angle? Would this mean i would have to set camber everytime i set my ride height? Just curious.

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Old 07-22-2010, 06:24 AM   #365
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Thanks for the compliments guys. The front end will fit any car as long as you have the correct sub plates.

The lower and upper arm angle is important. This controls roll center. With the amount you will be adjusting your ride height with a given size tire, you really dont need to mess with it. You can always adjust it by shimming the upper plate for the upper arms(2 screws and it comes off) or you can shim under the lower arm pivot balls.

The camber does not need to be set with ride height changes. You really dont have drastic ride height changes. All of the adjustment you have on this front end are made the same as on a TC. If you go with drastic or radical changes anywhere, you will need to check camber and such.

The pivots are held in with 2-56 screws but are also not under much verticle load due to the design. The majority of the load is side load when you hit something and the housing is fully captured in the arm. The carbon fiber makes for a very nice locking thread and being that the thread is so fine of a pitch, it does not split the fibers. I paid close attention to the little details. You will all see when you assemble the front end.
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Has anyone tried pre-threading the carbon fiber with a tap?
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Old 07-22-2010, 12:59 PM   #367
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Hey burt, i decided to try out your suggestion and i like it. It weighs less and is very strong.
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That looks sick J, Can't wait for the finished product.
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Thanks buddy. I will be assembling a full front end off of the car and taking pics so you can get a detailed view of everything. I should have that somewhat soon
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Hey burt, i decided to try out your suggestion and i like it. It weighs less and is very strong.
Oh yeah! That looks great! Question...will the aluminum parts in the new front end and the conversion kits be available in the original color instead of the new copper? I'd like to get a complete 10 and 12 kit but I think I may need to start with just conversion kits...not sure yet.
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Hey burt, i decided to try out your suggestion and i like it. It weighs less and is very strong.
very nice, is that aluminum going to be copper also. cant wait until I get mine
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The brace is going to be copper. If you want to order it raw aluminum, just let me know before i send them out for anodize and i will put them aside for you.
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I don't know, I think that one piece one will look SWEET in copper.
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I don't know, I thing that one piece one will look SWEET in copper.
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The brace is going to be copper. If you want to order it raw aluminum, just let me know before i send them out for anodize and i will put them aside for you.
Will do...I'm hoping to get the complete kits but I have some unexpected funds coming in so I am hoping to go to IIC again this year...So depending how much the unexpected money is will determine if I can get the full kits or the conversions.
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