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TIRES:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the US:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the Europe:
  • Hot Race ??

Gluing your own donuts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7z1rz-74s - Special thanks to Edward Pickering!
Truing tires:
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The following information came from HERE, with some editing and information added. Thanks Christian!

THIS MAY NEED UPDATING FOR THE NEW BLACK CRC CARPET

Brands:
BSR, CRC, Jaco:
Pro One is no longer selling to the public, but it and the brands above are all mounted by BSR and use the same foam. The nomenclature of the BSR vs Jaco/CRC is a little different in a few instances but is otherwise the same. The BSR foam consists of three families, and can be identifed as synthetics, naturals, and blends.

Synthetics - The old school, light weight, easy to true "dry feeling" tires. These include tires like CRC/Jaco Yellow (BSR White), Black, Gray, etc. These tires offer the highest wear rate and lowest grip. Many racers continue to use these nder high bite conditions.

Naturals - These tires are usually the best alternative for low bite and asphalt. They include Pink, Magenta, Double Pink, Lilac (BSR Team Purple), Purple, and other tires. These tires provide a ton of grip, but tend to get sticky in high bite conditions. This rubber does not wear as easily, and the cars will pick up gunk and fibers from the carpet under most high bite conditions. This is especially bad if the humidity is high.

Blends - These are the tires most people run today. They were initially called "JFT foam" by some, as it was believed that the tires were the same as the JFT tires. We can divide the blends further into two groups: high rubber and low rubber content. The high rubber would be the new rear Orange and Red from the BSR family, and the low rubber would be the Green and Blue varieties. When, asked about the difference, John Foister from BSR Tires said they came from the same "family" of foam, but they offered different grip. According to John, the Green/Blue has more bite than Orange/Red, but from track testing Oranges offer more bite than Green (being equivalent to in hardness) when the grip is high and absolutely no grip when it is lower. The Orange foam has a denser pore structure and the tire is not as prone to chunking. It is also important to note is that BSR Blue rears are not the same as the BSR Blue fronts!

JFT:
JFT stands for Japan Foam Tire. They started the new wave of foam tires we are all using now (Blue/Blu, Green/Greene, Dbl Blue, etc). These tires are a little different than the BSR tire family, but work in very similar conditions. They offers four varieties A (asphalt), C (carpet), S (???), and R (???). This does not mean that those types only work on that surface, but this is what they recommend.

JFT uses the same foam for fronts and rears if the color is the same.

A: Used on asphalt, considered close to the natural rubber variety and are named consistently with other natural tires.
C: Used on carpet, considered a blend.
S: Used on carpet?, tires are ???
R: Used on carpet?, tires are ???

For setup, the JFT foam seem to generate more bite than the BSR, therefore the car tends to be a little more aggressive.

Ulti:
Ulti is another Japanese brand that offers an array of compounds. They have their own way of rating tires, and are difficult to equate to other brands. They have 4 different varieties, each in varying degrees of hardness.

J: High rubber content tire, similar to Pink/ Magenta. Soft would be close to a pink. These offer the most bite and are great for asphalt/carpet front tire. (J hard being very popular)
X: "Balanced" blend, similar to JFT Blue/ Green. Soft is equivalent to Green, medium to Blue in hardness. Great for carpet!
Y: High synthetic blend with lower grip, and is not a very popular variety.
Z: A very expensive "special" foam that is supposed to be magic on asphalt. Only make it in soft shore.
European tires:
There are many great European foam tire brands that use their own types of foam, as well as traditional foams. SOmeone with more knowledge about them will need to fill this in!

Tire Diameter:
If you are racing on carpet, you have to evaluate how much grip your track has. If your track is low to medium grip, you can run bigger tires. If you are on higher bite you have to cut them smaller, there is simply no way around it. Bigger tires are needed for asphalt, especially in the rear. The larger tires provide much needed lateral bite.

Carpet (mm):
Low - Medium Bite
Front: 42.0 - 42.5
Rear: 42.5 - 43.00
Medium - High Bite
Front: 40.5 - 41.0
Rear: 41.5 - 42.0
Big Race
Front: 39.5 - 40.0
Rear: 40.5 - 41.0
Asphalt (mm):
Parking Lot
Front: 43.0 - 44.0
Rear: 44.0 - 45.0
Prepped High Bite
Front: 42.0 - 43.0
Rear: 43.0 - 44.0

Tire Saucing:
Most facilities have moved towards odorless traction additives such as SXT. Some of additives evaporate very quickly and some do not. This seems to be something that is also dependent on tire compound and ambient temperature. For example, saucing a Green compound seems like it never dries, especially when tjhe temperature is lower. We have found that wiping the tires off 15 minutes before we go run allows the sauce to cure, which makes the car come in much quicker with Green rears. Blue compounds on the other hand, do fine when wiped off right before hitting the track.

Saucing half front and full rear is a good initial starting point. If the front of the car is too agressive you can sauce les than half, or for a shorter amount of time.
Tire Fuzzing:
In conditions of increasing grip, foam tires will somewtimes get sticky and pick up fuzz and debris from the track. This is highly dependent on the rubber sedan tire that is being run at your local track and the compound/ type of foam you are running on you car. The softer the sedan tire and the harder/higher rubber content in your foam tire, trouble with fuzzing seems more likely to occur.

There are ways to get around fuzzing under most conditions, and usually involves the selection of the correct foam compound. The more fuzz you get, the softer/lower rubber content you want to run.

Examples:
Problem: Car fuzzes with Lilac/Team Purple fronts and car starts pushing.
Solution: Use a softer front tire and or different family of foam. Replace it with Blue or Double Blue front.

Problem: Car loses rear bite 6 minutes into the run. Blue rear tires look almost clean but have small carpet hairs.
Solution: Use Green rear tires. The softer compound wears instead of getting sticky, minimizing fuzz.

Tire Selection:
Starting out, pick 2 tire compounds for the front and rear. The following should have you covered 99% of the time.

Front - Green and Blue (BSR) or Green and Light Blue (JFT)
Rear - Blue and Double Blue (BSR) or Blue and Dark Blue (JFT)

You may wonder about other compounds out there and if they might be better, trust me, they probably won't be. Even if there are other tires that can be as fast, the synthetic family wears out really fast and the high natural rubber will probably fuzz on you over an 8 minute run. The blends family seems to be the most versatile foam type available today. They last awhile, and sticking to them will make your process of tire selection simpler.
Tire Charts:
BSR/CRC/Jaco



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JFT (Japan Foam Tire)



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Enneti (Xceed)



ELECTRONICS:
ESC:
As of now, ROAR is staying 1S (3.7V nominal; 4.2V fully charged) for 1/12. There are many 1S ESC's with a built in BEC so nothing else is required to power the receiver and servo.

If you don't want to lock yourself into a 1S specific ESC, you do have other options! It is possible to use your 2S ESC without a booster or receiver pack, and the ESC simply supplies the lower voltage. If that does not appeal to you, you will need to use an Rx pack or booster. The Rx pack and booster will both supply the receiver with a higher voltage than the 1S pack.

If you decide to use an Rx pack, MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THE RED WIRE FROM THE ESC PLUG THAT GOES INTO THE RECEIVER!!!

If you choose to use a voltage booster, it works exactly how it sounds. Instead of plugging the ESC into the receiver, it plugs into the booster, and the booster plug goes to the ESC, supplying the higher voltage.

1S ESC:
If there are any missing please add them!!

If anyone would like a need for a chart comparing the ESC's specs PM fenton06 and I'll get one made and put in here!
Voltage Boosters:
If there are any missing please add them!
Servos:
BODIES:
Black Art (CRC - US Dist):
  • Audi R8C - BA002 - .020 Thick



  • Black Market (Mohawk 12) - BA005 - .020



  • Lola B10 - BA006 - .020 thick
  • Toyota TS030 - BA008 - .020 thick

    Lola - black/red, TS030 - green/pink


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Old 07-11-2005, 12:34 PM   #13591
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Same here, My team mates have been using the Spektrum system for months now haven't experienced the problems Adrian described. I just got a system myself and it works fine with no servo pack. I've never heard of any software upgrades untill now. Do you know how to tell if a system is pre or post update?
I could not tell when I got mine back from them. i woudl think the best thing to do is send it to them and have them load the software anyways. as I purchase more, i will probably do that.
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I saw the Spektrum in the T-Fource and kept my mouth shut. Its not going to work in 4 cell unless you use an RX pack and even then in an indoor setting with all the microwave signals bouncing off the walls the RX gets confused ands locks up all the time.

They have problems outdoors too. Mostly in Sedan Mod with low turn motors pulling down the pack voltage through amp spikes and high power servos overloading the speed controls BEC. When that happens the voltage to the RX gets too low for it to function and you car stops or fail safes. The best case scenario is where your servo gets really slow and it takes forever to center coming out of corners.

I really hope they get the system running as it really is the future of R/C. However, Spektrum still needs to do a ton of work to get their system running properly. It isn't even close yet.

Put in a 75 or 27 module and Rx and all your problems will be gone.
Like JRRC said, we have been running our Spektrum for months now in 1/12th both stock and 19T without a receiver pack and no problems. In fact, it even feels like I am more connected to the car than before the Spektrum. We have not tried them indoors yet which will be the ultimate test due to the increased amp draw because of the increased grip. We also may not have been having trouble with the Spektrums because we only run IB3600, IB3800 & GP3700. I would not be surprised if when we get on carpet, we might start to experience some issues. We may have to have a receiver pack for 1/12th mod even using the bigger batteries to prevent issues with the Spektrum. OD could not get his to work even on the bench!! We put my Spektrum transmitter module in his transmitter, did the binding process and it worked fine. He has since purchased another trans module and raced last Saturday night without issue.
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Old 07-11-2005, 05:58 PM   #13593
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Hi,

I just want to say congratulations to Charlie for handing it to the three wise asses this weekend.

Good job dude.

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Old 07-11-2005, 07:19 PM   #13595
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Indoor, outdoor, 12th stock, 12th 19t, 12th oval 19t..........no spektrum problems. Plus I had major glitching at one track with 10th sedan, with spektrum no more glitching.
I had issues with my very first Spektrum receiver in its first week. Spektrum swapped it out while I was down south for the Reedy race and it has been perfect. As I understood it, I needed both boards in that receiver replaced. Have installed two more Spektrum receivers with no issues. The system is great...Would never go back!

I bet I know what track you had the glitching problem and mine has ended there too.
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Hi,

I just want to say congratulations to Charlie for handing it to the three wise asses this weekend.

Good job dude.

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A masterful effort by MR. FERRARI.

Ain't no dude...Charlie for King!
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with the pre updated software rx, it did happen a couple time on a 8 min run. once i got the update on the module and rx, it has never happened. also I did notice that even a slight tap of the board on the old software would put it in failsafe mode. since the update, I have not seen any problem with it.

I am not running a rx pack in my stock, but am running a 6v rx in my mod car. The mod car is running 9x2 and 10x2. both cars are running keyence zero v ext 2002 and ko 949ics in a helios transmitter. and both have been run indoors and out

Did you have it here in San Antonio for that race?

There have been many others who have not had any problems with their spektrums here in San Antonio. We run 12th mod with 9 and 10 turn motors with no rx pack and have had no problems. I hope this keeps up, it will be a great thing for the rc industry.
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yup. i did have them in both mod and stock. i run the rx pack just in case. since we run carpet here. outdoors, i woudl think you guys have plenty of runtime. since i started running 3600, i have pulled the rx pack out
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It was a great race. Charlie pulled out a lead and then I almost caught him at the end. At the last corner I tried to jump the berm and fly over him to victory. Illegal as it would have been. My only regret was getting beat by a white Ferrari.

Ferrari was fast.......it was no myth.
When the eagle comes back he'll be racing for fifth.
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Ferrari was fast.......it was no myth.
When the eagle comes back he'll be racing for fifth.
A poet, a poet...How we hope he don't blow it. (quasi Arlo Guthrie)

Sounds like I'll be sixth...Until I get my L4 fixed. (all me)
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Well I can say my car was finally hooked up and had good power ( Ashby and Od still had more than me ) but I managed to keep it clean for 33 laps in a 12 car field ( thx Ruben ). Jim was on my 6 the entire race one error and i would of been diced chicken ( oops bad word,sorry Chris ). We will see next race if my luck holds out and this setup works well at Modesto track.
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Funny how it always looks different depending on your perspective. I thought Jim had the most HP, Steve thought it was Charlie. It definately was a good race and Mr Ferrari deserved the win. I was nervous about the 12 car main but the slower guys drove so politely it seemed like fewer cars. My apologies to them for (ahem) "brushing" against a few of them (I finally got my car working perfectly for the main but continued to drive like crap!).

Congatulations to Ian Douglass on fourth place in his first ever 1/12th race driving my 12L3. If he continues to run 1/12th we will all be running for second. I may have to stop helping him or break his fingers.

Will the Crimson Chicken get his priorities straight and show up next week? or will he find some more Honey Does to keep him from putting his money where his beak is? Watch this space....
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OK Arluck,
I see you lurking out there. Where have you been? Get that 12E together and come race!
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(I finally got my car working perfectly for the main but continued to drive like crap!).
OD,

You may have had a difficult time initially; but, after you repassed me for fourth you stayed pretty well gone...Nice job!

Yes...Having Arluck drive stock would be cool...

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I hate to add to the OT chat but don't you guys have a local track forum or something?
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