R/C Tech Forums

Go Back   R/C Tech Forums > General Forums > Electric On-Road

    Hide Wikipost
Old 10-28-2016, 12:43 PM   -   Wikipost
R/C Tech Forums Thread Wiki: 1/12 forum
Please read: This is a community-maintained wiki post containing the most important information from this thread. You may edit the Wiki once you have been a member for 90 days and have made 90 posts.
 
Last edit by: fenton06
This is a place to share knowledge related to 1/12th scale racing. It is not to be used for conversations.

KITS:
Click links to go to manufacturer product page. If any are missing please add them!

TIRES:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the US:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the Europe:
  • Hot Race ??

Gluing your own donuts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7z1rz-74s - Special thanks to Edward Pickering!
Truing tires:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wqHOLWq6Uc - Special thanks to Edward Pickering!

The following information came from HERE, with some editing and information added. Thanks Christian!

THIS MAY NEED UPDATING FOR THE NEW BLACK CRC CARPET

Brands:
BSR, CRC, Jaco:
Pro One is no longer selling to the public, but it and the brands above are all mounted by BSR and use the same foam. The nomenclature of the BSR vs Jaco/CRC is a little different in a few instances but is otherwise the same. The BSR foam consists of three families, and can be identifed as synthetics, naturals, and blends.

Synthetics - The old school, light weight, easy to true "dry feeling" tires. These include tires like CRC/Jaco Yellow (BSR White), Black, Gray, etc. These tires offer the highest wear rate and lowest grip. Many racers continue to use these nder high bite conditions.

Naturals - These tires are usually the best alternative for low bite and asphalt. They include Pink, Magenta, Double Pink, Lilac (BSR Team Purple), Purple, and other tires. These tires provide a ton of grip, but tend to get sticky in high bite conditions. This rubber does not wear as easily, and the cars will pick up gunk and fibers from the carpet under most high bite conditions. This is especially bad if the humidity is high.

Blends - These are the tires most people run today. They were initially called "JFT foam" by some, as it was believed that the tires were the same as the JFT tires. We can divide the blends further into two groups: high rubber and low rubber content. The high rubber would be the new rear Orange and Red from the BSR family, and the low rubber would be the Green and Blue varieties. When, asked about the difference, John Foister from BSR Tires said they came from the same "family" of foam, but they offered different grip. According to John, the Green/Blue has more bite than Orange/Red, but from track testing Oranges offer more bite than Green (being equivalent to in hardness) when the grip is high and absolutely no grip when it is lower. The Orange foam has a denser pore structure and the tire is not as prone to chunking. It is also important to note is that BSR Blue rears are not the same as the BSR Blue fronts!

JFT:
JFT stands for Japan Foam Tire. They started the new wave of foam tires we are all using now (Blue/Blu, Green/Greene, Dbl Blue, etc). These tires are a little different than the BSR tire family, but work in very similar conditions. They offers four varieties A (asphalt), C (carpet), S (???), and R (???). This does not mean that those types only work on that surface, but this is what they recommend.

JFT uses the same foam for fronts and rears if the color is the same.

A: Used on asphalt, considered close to the natural rubber variety and are named consistently with other natural tires.
C: Used on carpet, considered a blend.
S: Used on carpet?, tires are ???
R: Used on carpet?, tires are ???

For setup, the JFT foam seem to generate more bite than the BSR, therefore the car tends to be a little more aggressive.

Ulti:
Ulti is another Japanese brand that offers an array of compounds. They have their own way of rating tires, and are difficult to equate to other brands. They have 4 different varieties, each in varying degrees of hardness.

J: High rubber content tire, similar to Pink/ Magenta. Soft would be close to a pink. These offer the most bite and are great for asphalt/carpet front tire. (J hard being very popular)
X: "Balanced" blend, similar to JFT Blue/ Green. Soft is equivalent to Green, medium to Blue in hardness. Great for carpet!
Y: High synthetic blend with lower grip, and is not a very popular variety.
Z: A very expensive "special" foam that is supposed to be magic on asphalt. Only make it in soft shore.
European tires:
There are many great European foam tire brands that use their own types of foam, as well as traditional foams. SOmeone with more knowledge about them will need to fill this in!

Tire Diameter:
If you are racing on carpet, you have to evaluate how much grip your track has. If your track is low to medium grip, you can run bigger tires. If you are on higher bite you have to cut them smaller, there is simply no way around it. Bigger tires are needed for asphalt, especially in the rear. The larger tires provide much needed lateral bite.

Carpet (mm):
Low - Medium Bite
Front: 42.0 - 42.5
Rear: 42.5 - 43.00
Medium - High Bite
Front: 40.5 - 41.0
Rear: 41.5 - 42.0
Big Race
Front: 39.5 - 40.0
Rear: 40.5 - 41.0
Asphalt (mm):
Parking Lot
Front: 43.0 - 44.0
Rear: 44.0 - 45.0
Prepped High Bite
Front: 42.0 - 43.0
Rear: 43.0 - 44.0

Tire Saucing:
Most facilities have moved towards odorless traction additives such as SXT. Some of additives evaporate very quickly and some do not. This seems to be something that is also dependent on tire compound and ambient temperature. For example, saucing a Green compound seems like it never dries, especially when tjhe temperature is lower. We have found that wiping the tires off 15 minutes before we go run allows the sauce to cure, which makes the car come in much quicker with Green rears. Blue compounds on the other hand, do fine when wiped off right before hitting the track.

Saucing half front and full rear is a good initial starting point. If the front of the car is too agressive you can sauce les than half, or for a shorter amount of time.
Tire Fuzzing:
In conditions of increasing grip, foam tires will somewtimes get sticky and pick up fuzz and debris from the track. This is highly dependent on the rubber sedan tire that is being run at your local track and the compound/ type of foam you are running on you car. The softer the sedan tire and the harder/higher rubber content in your foam tire, trouble with fuzzing seems more likely to occur.

There are ways to get around fuzzing under most conditions, and usually involves the selection of the correct foam compound. The more fuzz you get, the softer/lower rubber content you want to run.

Examples:
Problem: Car fuzzes with Lilac/Team Purple fronts and car starts pushing.
Solution: Use a softer front tire and or different family of foam. Replace it with Blue or Double Blue front.

Problem: Car loses rear bite 6 minutes into the run. Blue rear tires look almost clean but have small carpet hairs.
Solution: Use Green rear tires. The softer compound wears instead of getting sticky, minimizing fuzz.

Tire Selection:
Starting out, pick 2 tire compounds for the front and rear. The following should have you covered 99% of the time.

Front - Green and Blue (BSR) or Green and Light Blue (JFT)
Rear - Blue and Double Blue (BSR) or Blue and Dark Blue (JFT)

You may wonder about other compounds out there and if they might be better, trust me, they probably won't be. Even if there are other tires that can be as fast, the synthetic family wears out really fast and the high natural rubber will probably fuzz on you over an 8 minute run. The blends family seems to be the most versatile foam type available today. They last awhile, and sticking to them will make your process of tire selection simpler.
Tire Charts:
BSR/CRC/Jaco



Contact



Corally



JFT (Japan Foam Tire)



Ulti



Enneti (Xceed)



ELECTRONICS:
ESC:
As of now, ROAR is staying 1S (3.7V nominal; 4.2V fully charged) for 1/12. There are many 1S ESC's with a built in BEC so nothing else is required to power the receiver and servo.

If you don't want to lock yourself into a 1S specific ESC, you do have other options! It is possible to use your 2S ESC without a booster or receiver pack, and the ESC simply supplies the lower voltage. If that does not appeal to you, you will need to use an Rx pack or booster. The Rx pack and booster will both supply the receiver with a higher voltage than the 1S pack.

If you decide to use an Rx pack, MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THE RED WIRE FROM THE ESC PLUG THAT GOES INTO THE RECEIVER!!!

If you choose to use a voltage booster, it works exactly how it sounds. Instead of plugging the ESC into the receiver, it plugs into the booster, and the booster plug goes to the ESC, supplying the higher voltage.

1S ESC:
If there are any missing please add them!!

If anyone would like a need for a chart comparing the ESC's specs PM fenton06 and I'll get one made and put in here!
Voltage Boosters:
If there are any missing please add them!
Servos:
BODIES:
Black Art (CRC - US Dist):
  • Audi R8C - BA002 - .020 Thick



  • Black Market (Mohawk 12) - BA005 - .020



  • Lola B10 - BA006 - .020 thick
  • Toyota TS030 - BA008 - .020 thick

    Lola - black/red, TS030 - green/pink


PROTOForm:

Reflex Racing/RSD:

SUSPENSION ADJUSTMENTS:

Print Wikipost

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 08-28-2004, 10:20 AM   #8401
sg1
Tech Elite
 
sg1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Ohio
Posts: 2,777
Trader Rating: 79 (100%+)
Default

lastplace...
I've been running CRC tires for 2 years now... I've had no problems with them. I ran them at the ROAR carpet on road nats and had great luck with them! On a low bite carpet surface pink or magenta rears work well, with purple or plaid fronts. I use NIFTECH tire traction. On a high bite carpet surface I use grey rears and purple fronts... sometimes I narrow the fronts 1/8". just my .02 cents....
-Wayne
sg1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-2004, 11:25 AM   #8402
Tech Adept
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 102
Default

Lastplace...

CRC 1/12th tires are real popular at many of the events we go to. CRC has all the exotic foam compounds from Japan.

Last year we used white, grey and pinks on the rear. In the front, we use the black, greys, purple/orange, or purple fronts depending on the track.

It seems they have a tire for most any track or surface.
insideline is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-2004, 05:20 PM   #8403
Tech Adept
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: London
Posts: 173
Default CEFX won a race

David Sphasett has won the biggest trophie for CEFX ,....He took tq's and won 2 finals on 3 at the Electro Tarmac Europa Cup this saturday.....

Have a look on here :

click here
SPEEDx971 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-2004, 10:48 PM   #8404
Tech Elite
 
Taz_S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Santa Rosa CA
Posts: 2,551
Trader Rating: 4 (100%+)
Default

SPEEDx971: can you post the pic here
__________________
Jake's Performance Hobbies http://www.jphracing.com/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/757500284356171 Facebook Group for Pro 10
Taz_S is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-2004, 10:48 PM   #8405
Tech Elite
 
Taz_S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Santa Rosa CA
Posts: 2,551
Trader Rating: 4 (100%+)
Default

so what was his set up?
__________________
Jake's Performance Hobbies http://www.jphracing.com/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/757500284356171 Facebook Group for Pro 10
Taz_S is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2004, 01:26 AM   #8406
Tech Elite
 
fatdoggy's Avatar
R/C Tech Charter Subscriber
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: MD USA
Posts: 3,642
Default

Do you guys know when and if CRC is coming out with the T-fource as a full kit?
fatdoggy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2004, 06:09 AM   #8407
sg1
Tech Elite
 
sg1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Ohio
Posts: 2,777
Trader Rating: 79 (100%+)
Default

fatdoggy...
I'll be talking with Frank (CRC) on Monday morning... I'll ask him.
-Wayne
sg1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2004, 10:37 AM   #8408
Tech Elite
 
fatdoggy's Avatar
R/C Tech Charter Subscriber
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: MD USA
Posts: 3,642
Default

sg1 - Cool, thanks mate. An L4 with the dropped rear pod and T-fource conversion is pushing $320. If CRC came out with a the T-Fource kit that included a dropped rear pod for $220, it would be a great deal.

Last edited by fatdoggy; 08-29-2004 at 10:45 AM.
fatdoggy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2004, 01:42 PM   #8409
Tech Master
 
raving-monkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: yorkshire, england.
Posts: 1,820
Send a message via MSN to raving-monkey
Default

hey guys, my dad has offered to get me a carpet knife (i think hes pissed )

anyway, i just need to find a cheap place that sells them (has them in stop, he is ordering tomorrow )..anyway....cheapest place i found (the only place i found ) is calandra them selves for $225 (125)

i am sure i have seen them for around 100 before though (around $200 or something)

so if you guys know anywhere to get them cheap it would be great if you could let me know.

thanks
Matt
raving-monkey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2004, 02:39 PM   #8410
sg1
Tech Elite
 
sg1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Ohio
Posts: 2,777
Trader Rating: 79 (100%+)
Default

FATDOGGY...
BMI will be coming out with a 1/12 kit/conversion... I'm doing the development and testing as we speak. It will use the new assoc. style front end (will have some modifications) and diff. assembly, the batteries are rotated like the t-force, and has new pod plate design which locks the rear of the car togather to make it more rigid and help it come out of the turn straighter and run straighter when letting off power.
-Wayne
sg1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2004, 03:11 PM   #8411
Tech Elite
 
fatdoggy's Avatar
R/C Tech Charter Subscriber
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: MD USA
Posts: 3,642
Default

sg1 - Any idea on price? I'm limited to $220-230 so I think it would probably be out of my price range. The BMI chassis does look awsome though.
fatdoggy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2004, 03:15 PM   #8412
Tech Adept
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: London
Posts: 173
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Taz_S
SPEEDx971: can you post the pic here

Hey, just have a look on the Live thread on this forum.... But try to put more pics soon....
SPEEDx971 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2004, 03:51 PM   #8413
Tech Master
 
raving-monkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: yorkshire, england.
Posts: 1,820
Send a message via MSN to raving-monkey
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by raving-monkey
hey guys, my dad has offered to get me a carpet knife (i think hes pissed )

anyway, i just need to find a cheap place that sells them (has them in stop, he is ordering tomorrow )..anyway....cheapest place i found (the only place i found ) is calandra them selves for $225 (125)

i am sure i have seen them for around 100 before though (around $200 or something)

so if you guys know anywhere to get them cheap it would be great if you could let me know.

thanks
Matt
raving-monkey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2004, 03:56 PM   #8414
Tech Fanatic
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 922
Send a message via ICQ to Cartman
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by raving-monkey
hey guys, my dad has offered to get me a carpet knife (i think hes pissed )

anyway, i just need to find a cheap place that sells them (has them in stop, he is ordering tomorrow )..anyway....cheapest place i found (the only place i found ) is calandra them selves for $225 (125)

i am sure i have seen them for around 100 before though (around $200 or something)

so if you guys know anywhere to get them cheap it would be great if you could let me know.

thanks
Matt
for all you non UK

pissed = drunk not mad

Matt .........................you found the cheapest place
__________________
Dremel UK - Schumacher Racing - Vapextech UK - MBModels UK - MRT
Cartman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2004, 04:22 PM   #8415
Tech Master
 
raving-monkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: yorkshire, england.
Posts: 1,820
Send a message via MSN to raving-monkey
Default

oops, forgot americans etc dont use the word "pisssed" meaning drunk

i have just emailed calandra asking about shipping costs.
raving-monkey is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
New to the forum mig rod Electric Off-Road 1 01-05-2008 05:23 PM
hi i need help and im new to the forum racer4 Rookie Zone 4 01-21-2007 02:37 PM
Why is this forum listed under the On Road Forum? sport10 Onroad Nitro Engine Zone 0 01-11-2007 08:06 AM
Forum Changes... futureal Wisconsin & Illinois Racing 3 10-28-2002 09:26 PM



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 2 (0 members and 2 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -7. It is currently 02:48 PM.


Powered By: vBulletin v3.9.2.1
Privacy Policy | Terms of Use | Advertise Content © 2001-2011 RCTech.net

SEO by vBSEO 3.5.0