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TIRES:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the US:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the Europe:
  • Hot Race ??

Gluing your own donuts:
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The following information came from HERE, with some editing and information added. Thanks Christian!

THIS MAY NEED UPDATING FOR THE NEW BLACK CRC CARPET

Brands:
BSR, CRC, Jaco:
Pro One is no longer selling to the public, but it and the brands above are all mounted by BSR and use the same foam. The nomenclature of the BSR vs Jaco/CRC is a little different in a few instances but is otherwise the same. The BSR foam consists of three families, and can be identifed as synthetics, naturals, and blends.

Synthetics - The old school, light weight, easy to true "dry feeling" tires. These include tires like CRC/Jaco Yellow (BSR White), Black, Gray, etc. These tires offer the highest wear rate and lowest grip. Many racers continue to use these nder high bite conditions.

Naturals - These tires are usually the best alternative for low bite and asphalt. They include Pink, Magenta, Double Pink, Lilac (BSR Team Purple), Purple, and other tires. These tires provide a ton of grip, but tend to get sticky in high bite conditions. This rubber does not wear as easily, and the cars will pick up gunk and fibers from the carpet under most high bite conditions. This is especially bad if the humidity is high.

Blends - These are the tires most people run today. They were initially called "JFT foam" by some, as it was believed that the tires were the same as the JFT tires. We can divide the blends further into two groups: high rubber and low rubber content. The high rubber would be the new rear Orange and Red from the BSR family, and the low rubber would be the Green and Blue varieties. When, asked about the difference, John Foister from BSR Tires said they came from the same "family" of foam, but they offered different grip. According to John, the Green/Blue has more bite than Orange/Red, but from track testing Oranges offer more bite than Green (being equivalent to in hardness) when the grip is high and absolutely no grip when it is lower. The Orange foam has a denser pore structure and the tire is not as prone to chunking. It is also important to note is that BSR Blue rears are not the same as the BSR Blue fronts!

JFT:
JFT stands for Japan Foam Tire. They started the new wave of foam tires we are all using now (Blue/Blu, Green/Greene, Dbl Blue, etc). These tires are a little different than the BSR tire family, but work in very similar conditions. They offers four varieties A (asphalt), C (carpet), S (???), and R (???). This does not mean that those types only work on that surface, but this is what they recommend.

JFT uses the same foam for fronts and rears if the color is the same.

A: Used on asphalt, considered close to the natural rubber variety and are named consistently with other natural tires.
C: Used on carpet, considered a blend.
S: Used on carpet?, tires are ???
R: Used on carpet?, tires are ???

For setup, the JFT foam seem to generate more bite than the BSR, therefore the car tends to be a little more aggressive.

Ulti:
Ulti is another Japanese brand that offers an array of compounds. They have their own way of rating tires, and are difficult to equate to other brands. They have 4 different varieties, each in varying degrees of hardness.

J: High rubber content tire, similar to Pink/ Magenta. Soft would be close to a pink. These offer the most bite and are great for asphalt/carpet front tire. (J hard being very popular)
X: "Balanced" blend, similar to JFT Blue/ Green. Soft is equivalent to Green, medium to Blue in hardness. Great for carpet!
Y: High synthetic blend with lower grip, and is not a very popular variety.
Z: A very expensive "special" foam that is supposed to be magic on asphalt. Only make it in soft shore.
European tires:
There are many great European foam tire brands that use their own types of foam, as well as traditional foams. SOmeone with more knowledge about them will need to fill this in!

Tire Diameter:
If you are racing on carpet, you have to evaluate how much grip your track has. If your track is low to medium grip, you can run bigger tires. If you are on higher bite you have to cut them smaller, there is simply no way around it. Bigger tires are needed for asphalt, especially in the rear. The larger tires provide much needed lateral bite.

Carpet (mm):
Low - Medium Bite
Front: 42.0 - 42.5
Rear: 42.5 - 43.00
Medium - High Bite
Front: 40.5 - 41.0
Rear: 41.5 - 42.0
Big Race
Front: 39.5 - 40.0
Rear: 40.5 - 41.0
Asphalt (mm):
Parking Lot
Front: 43.0 - 44.0
Rear: 44.0 - 45.0
Prepped High Bite
Front: 42.0 - 43.0
Rear: 43.0 - 44.0

Tire Saucing:
Most facilities have moved towards odorless traction additives such as SXT. Some of additives evaporate very quickly and some do not. This seems to be something that is also dependent on tire compound and ambient temperature. For example, saucing a Green compound seems like it never dries, especially when tjhe temperature is lower. We have found that wiping the tires off 15 minutes before we go run allows the sauce to cure, which makes the car come in much quicker with Green rears. Blue compounds on the other hand, do fine when wiped off right before hitting the track.

Saucing half front and full rear is a good initial starting point. If the front of the car is too agressive you can sauce les than half, or for a shorter amount of time.
Tire Fuzzing:
In conditions of increasing grip, foam tires will somewtimes get sticky and pick up fuzz and debris from the track. This is highly dependent on the rubber sedan tire that is being run at your local track and the compound/ type of foam you are running on you car. The softer the sedan tire and the harder/higher rubber content in your foam tire, trouble with fuzzing seems more likely to occur.

There are ways to get around fuzzing under most conditions, and usually involves the selection of the correct foam compound. The more fuzz you get, the softer/lower rubber content you want to run.

Examples:
Problem: Car fuzzes with Lilac/Team Purple fronts and car starts pushing.
Solution: Use a softer front tire and or different family of foam. Replace it with Blue or Double Blue front.

Problem: Car loses rear bite 6 minutes into the run. Blue rear tires look almost clean but have small carpet hairs.
Solution: Use Green rear tires. The softer compound wears instead of getting sticky, minimizing fuzz.

Tire Selection:
Starting out, pick 2 tire compounds for the front and rear. The following should have you covered 99% of the time.

Front - Green and Blue (BSR) or Green and Light Blue (JFT)
Rear - Blue and Double Blue (BSR) or Blue and Dark Blue (JFT)

You may wonder about other compounds out there and if they might be better, trust me, they probably won't be. Even if there are other tires that can be as fast, the synthetic family wears out really fast and the high natural rubber will probably fuzz on you over an 8 minute run. The blends family seems to be the most versatile foam type available today. They last awhile, and sticking to them will make your process of tire selection simpler.
Tire Charts:
BSR/CRC/Jaco



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JFT (Japan Foam Tire)



Ulti



Enneti (Xceed)



ELECTRONICS:
ESC:
As of now, ROAR is staying 1S (3.7V nominal; 4.2V fully charged) for 1/12. There are many 1S ESC's with a built in BEC so nothing else is required to power the receiver and servo.

If you don't want to lock yourself into a 1S specific ESC, you do have other options! It is possible to use your 2S ESC without a booster or receiver pack, and the ESC simply supplies the lower voltage. If that does not appeal to you, you will need to use an Rx pack or booster. The Rx pack and booster will both supply the receiver with a higher voltage than the 1S pack.

If you decide to use an Rx pack, MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THE RED WIRE FROM THE ESC PLUG THAT GOES INTO THE RECEIVER!!!

If you choose to use a voltage booster, it works exactly how it sounds. Instead of plugging the ESC into the receiver, it plugs into the booster, and the booster plug goes to the ESC, supplying the higher voltage.

1S ESC:
If there are any missing please add them!!

If anyone would like a need for a chart comparing the ESC's specs PM fenton06 and I'll get one made and put in here!
Voltage Boosters:
If there are any missing please add them!
Servos:
BODIES:
Black Art (CRC - US Dist):
  • Audi R8C - BA002 - .020 Thick



  • Black Market (Mohawk 12) - BA005 - .020



  • Lola B10 - BA006 - .020 thick
  • Toyota TS030 - BA008 - .020 thick

    Lola - black/red, TS030 - green/pink


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Old 06-14-2004, 05:30 PM   #7981
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adam have you talked to doug yet about the snow birds!
I will try to call him tomorrow. Also, if you get a chance call me tomorrow before 7pm.
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just pick up Trinity switchblade 12 & putting the pieces together. anyone can help me on following,

1. info on the car ?
2. will modified 12 turn/4 cell with LRP sprint good enough for the car
3. setup ?
4. tyre selection.

new to 1/12 but been on nitro 1/1o & 1/8 for a while.
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Dananimal - where are you? Email me johnlb911@cableone.net
let's talk about what the onroad schedule in SLC is in July

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Depends on where you get it from... check out there stie www.teamcrc.com

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just pick up Trinity switchblade 12 & putting the pieces together. anyone can help me on following,

1. info on the car ?
2. will modified 12 turn/4 cell with LRP sprint good enough for the car
3. setup ?
4. tyre selection.

new to 1/12 but been on nitro 1/1o & 1/8 for a while.
1. Sell it, or try to give it back. It has always seemed that Trinity 1/12 parts are hard to come by.

2. Will work.

3. Don't know... see answer to question #1.

4. Depending on traction level purple or grey front with grey or white rears.

Please don't get bent out of shape -- just being funny

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super fast HOE cars...

have you been racing lately at HT? When do you guys attempt to run 1/12 and sedan (stock or 19T).

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hey is goo gone safe to use on a carbon fiber chassis like a carpet knife?>

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hey is goo gone safe to use on a carbon fiber chassis like a carpet knife?>

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Sure is-as is Motor Spray and alcohol. Basically anthing that flashes off fast will be safe.

Also-just FYI was talkin to BSR tires just now about some Oval tires and he told me he has a new 12th scale front rim in white and a new rear white rim as well. John said the front rim runs ultra True-takes flanged bearings and the bearings sit a little closer together so you can vary front width slighlty with washers. He also said the rear rim is designed so that you can run a few more shims to space out the hubs to max width. This should help in spacing the spur gear out a little so you dont have to have the pinion almost touching the motor can.

I didnt get to talk to him about componds and such, but he is sending me a pair of his Purpe fronts to look at and try. A no wobble front rim sounds good to me. When I get it-I'll post a pic of it. I have no idea what it looks like.

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Hi,

I just started running 1/12th, so please excuse me if this is a dumb question, but...

Does anyone know of somewhere I can get a list of compounds (colour code), shore ratings, etc for 1/12th tyres of different manufacturers? It's doing my head in.

I have found some information at various places on the net (such as the CRC website), but none of it is complete.

Is there a single resource which compares brands and ratings? I find it a bit odd that manufacturers (well, jaco at least..) don't put a guide on the back of their tyre boxes saying what's what.

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im not exactly sure what ur asking but on trinity's page they have a list of the colors and what they are (soft, med...) and what applications to use them for.

hope i helped ya
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i need some gear ratio recommendations for 19t 12scale. The track size is medium to large size with about 110 foot straight.


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Sure is-as is Motor Spray and alcohol. Basically anthing that flashes off fast will be safe.

Also-just FYI was talkin to BSR tires just now about some Oval tires and he told me he has a new 12th scale front rim in white and a new rear white rim as well. John said the front rim runs ultra True-takes flanged bearings and the bearings sit a little closer together so you can vary front width slighlty with washers. He also said the rear rim is designed so that you can run a few more shims to space out the hubs to max width. This should help in spacing the spur gear out a little so you dont have to have the pinion almost touching the motor can.

I didnt get to talk to him about componds and such, but he is sending me a pair of his Purpe fronts to look at and try. A no wobble front rim sounds good to me. When I get it-I'll post a pic of it. I have no idea what it looks like.

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Ray,

The rims are a dish design and run ultra true and are very durable. If you have ever seen the old BSR 12th or 10th rims they are very similiar. The rears are offset similiar to the CRC rims as well as the TRC ones so it allows you to have another tuning option in rear end track width. Also the tires are glued completely out to the edge of the rim so you don't have to worry about the foam starting to works it's way up.

As for compounds John's BSR has the normal selection to fit any application. Also all of the pairs are matched so you won't end up with one hard tire and one soft tire like you can when you buy other brands.

If you haven't tried John's BSR Racing Tire then you should give them a try and let the product speak for it's self.

If you have any questions feel free to ask.

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WOO HOOO my carpet knife is coming today--
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hmmm which ones do i keep?
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