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KITS:
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TIRES:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the US:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the Europe:
  • Hot Race ??

Gluing your own donuts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7z1rz-74s - Special thanks to Edward Pickering!
Truing tires:
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The following information came from HERE, with some editing and information added. Thanks Christian!

THIS MAY NEED UPDATING FOR THE NEW BLACK CRC CARPET

Brands:
BSR, CRC, Jaco:
Pro One is no longer selling to the public, but it and the brands above are all mounted by BSR and use the same foam. The nomenclature of the BSR vs Jaco/CRC is a little different in a few instances but is otherwise the same. The BSR foam consists of three families, and can be identifed as synthetics, naturals, and blends.

Synthetics - The old school, light weight, easy to true "dry feeling" tires. These include tires like CRC/Jaco Yellow (BSR White), Black, Gray, etc. These tires offer the highest wear rate and lowest grip. Many racers continue to use these nder high bite conditions.

Naturals - These tires are usually the best alternative for low bite and asphalt. They include Pink, Magenta, Double Pink, Lilac (BSR Team Purple), Purple, and other tires. These tires provide a ton of grip, but tend to get sticky in high bite conditions. This rubber does not wear as easily, and the cars will pick up gunk and fibers from the carpet under most high bite conditions. This is especially bad if the humidity is high.

Blends - These are the tires most people run today. They were initially called "JFT foam" by some, as it was believed that the tires were the same as the JFT tires. We can divide the blends further into two groups: high rubber and low rubber content. The high rubber would be the new rear Orange and Red from the BSR family, and the low rubber would be the Green and Blue varieties. When, asked about the difference, John Foister from BSR Tires said they came from the same "family" of foam, but they offered different grip. According to John, the Green/Blue has more bite than Orange/Red, but from track testing Oranges offer more bite than Green (being equivalent to in hardness) when the grip is high and absolutely no grip when it is lower. The Orange foam has a denser pore structure and the tire is not as prone to chunking. It is also important to note is that BSR Blue rears are not the same as the BSR Blue fronts!

JFT:
JFT stands for Japan Foam Tire. They started the new wave of foam tires we are all using now (Blue/Blu, Green/Greene, Dbl Blue, etc). These tires are a little different than the BSR tire family, but work in very similar conditions. They offers four varieties A (asphalt), C (carpet), S (???), and R (???). This does not mean that those types only work on that surface, but this is what they recommend.

JFT uses the same foam for fronts and rears if the color is the same.

A: Used on asphalt, considered close to the natural rubber variety and are named consistently with other natural tires.
C: Used on carpet, considered a blend.
S: Used on carpet?, tires are ???
R: Used on carpet?, tires are ???

For setup, the JFT foam seem to generate more bite than the BSR, therefore the car tends to be a little more aggressive.

Ulti:
Ulti is another Japanese brand that offers an array of compounds. They have their own way of rating tires, and are difficult to equate to other brands. They have 4 different varieties, each in varying degrees of hardness.

J: High rubber content tire, similar to Pink/ Magenta. Soft would be close to a pink. These offer the most bite and are great for asphalt/carpet front tire. (J hard being very popular)
X: "Balanced" blend, similar to JFT Blue/ Green. Soft is equivalent to Green, medium to Blue in hardness. Great for carpet!
Y: High synthetic blend with lower grip, and is not a very popular variety.
Z: A very expensive "special" foam that is supposed to be magic on asphalt. Only make it in soft shore.
European tires:
There are many great European foam tire brands that use their own types of foam, as well as traditional foams. SOmeone with more knowledge about them will need to fill this in!

Tire Diameter:
If you are racing on carpet, you have to evaluate how much grip your track has. If your track is low to medium grip, you can run bigger tires. If you are on higher bite you have to cut them smaller, there is simply no way around it. Bigger tires are needed for asphalt, especially in the rear. The larger tires provide much needed lateral bite.

Carpet (mm):
Low - Medium Bite
Front: 42.0 - 42.5
Rear: 42.5 - 43.00
Medium - High Bite
Front: 40.5 - 41.0
Rear: 41.5 - 42.0
Big Race
Front: 39.5 - 40.0
Rear: 40.5 - 41.0
Asphalt (mm):
Parking Lot
Front: 43.0 - 44.0
Rear: 44.0 - 45.0
Prepped High Bite
Front: 42.0 - 43.0
Rear: 43.0 - 44.0

Tire Saucing:
Most facilities have moved towards odorless traction additives such as SXT. Some of additives evaporate very quickly and some do not. This seems to be something that is also dependent on tire compound and ambient temperature. For example, saucing a Green compound seems like it never dries, especially when tjhe temperature is lower. We have found that wiping the tires off 15 minutes before we go run allows the sauce to cure, which makes the car come in much quicker with Green rears. Blue compounds on the other hand, do fine when wiped off right before hitting the track.

Saucing half front and full rear is a good initial starting point. If the front of the car is too agressive you can sauce les than half, or for a shorter amount of time.
Tire Fuzzing:
In conditions of increasing grip, foam tires will somewtimes get sticky and pick up fuzz and debris from the track. This is highly dependent on the rubber sedan tire that is being run at your local track and the compound/ type of foam you are running on you car. The softer the sedan tire and the harder/higher rubber content in your foam tire, trouble with fuzzing seems more likely to occur.

There are ways to get around fuzzing under most conditions, and usually involves the selection of the correct foam compound. The more fuzz you get, the softer/lower rubber content you want to run.

Examples:
Problem: Car fuzzes with Lilac/Team Purple fronts and car starts pushing.
Solution: Use a softer front tire and or different family of foam. Replace it with Blue or Double Blue front.

Problem: Car loses rear bite 6 minutes into the run. Blue rear tires look almost clean but have small carpet hairs.
Solution: Use Green rear tires. The softer compound wears instead of getting sticky, minimizing fuzz.

Tire Selection:
Starting out, pick 2 tire compounds for the front and rear. The following should have you covered 99% of the time.

Front - Green and Blue (BSR) or Green and Light Blue (JFT)
Rear - Blue and Double Blue (BSR) or Blue and Dark Blue (JFT)

You may wonder about other compounds out there and if they might be better, trust me, they probably won't be. Even if there are other tires that can be as fast, the synthetic family wears out really fast and the high natural rubber will probably fuzz on you over an 8 minute run. The blends family seems to be the most versatile foam type available today. They last awhile, and sticking to them will make your process of tire selection simpler.
Tire Charts:
BSR/CRC/Jaco



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JFT (Japan Foam Tire)



Ulti



Enneti (Xceed)



ELECTRONICS:
ESC:
As of now, ROAR is staying 1S (3.7V nominal; 4.2V fully charged) for 1/12. There are many 1S ESC's with a built in BEC so nothing else is required to power the receiver and servo.

If you don't want to lock yourself into a 1S specific ESC, you do have other options! It is possible to use your 2S ESC without a booster or receiver pack, and the ESC simply supplies the lower voltage. If that does not appeal to you, you will need to use an Rx pack or booster. The Rx pack and booster will both supply the receiver with a higher voltage than the 1S pack.

If you decide to use an Rx pack, MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THE RED WIRE FROM THE ESC PLUG THAT GOES INTO THE RECEIVER!!!

If you choose to use a voltage booster, it works exactly how it sounds. Instead of plugging the ESC into the receiver, it plugs into the booster, and the booster plug goes to the ESC, supplying the higher voltage.

1S ESC:
If there are any missing please add them!!

If anyone would like a need for a chart comparing the ESC's specs PM fenton06 and I'll get one made and put in here!
Voltage Boosters:
If there are any missing please add them!
Servos:
BODIES:
Black Art (CRC - US Dist):
  • Audi R8C - BA002 - .020 Thick



  • Black Market (Mohawk 12) - BA005 - .020



  • Lola B10 - BA006 - .020 thick
  • Toyota TS030 - BA008 - .020 thick

    Lola - black/red, TS030 - green/pink


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Old 05-15-2004, 05:01 AM   #7816
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would it be worth to get 12L at this point or is it just too old?
wat are the main differences between all of them? did they improve on something big or is it just the minor things?
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how many models of 12 scale did corally put out?
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Old 05-15-2004, 05:04 AM   #7818
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sorry guys im posting 2 much but i forgot to ask the question. how much would you pay for the used roller chassis of 12L?
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Old 05-15-2004, 07:08 AM   #7819
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would it be worth to get 12L at this point or is it just too old?
wat are the main differences between all of them? did they improve on something big or is it just the minor things?
I consider the changes Associated made to the 1/12 scale significant in a couple models. I think explaining it here would be too lengthy, but my advise is to go directly to the latest version as you do with your gas cars. The cost difference is not that much to buy the old and then upgrade to the new.
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I agree... I think it would be best to go with the 12L4... at least at my LHS, the price difference between the L3 and L4 I think is $30... 149 for the L3 and 179 for the L4...
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Old 05-15-2004, 07:12 AM   #7821
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how many models of 12 scale did corally put out?
1. SP I
2. SP II
3. SP 12
4. SP 12G
5. SP 12G3
6. SP 12M

And I think I might have left one or two out of the list. Also, be advised that Corally had several configurations of many of those in the list. So this is a complicated question that might never have a complete answer.
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Old 05-15-2004, 01:57 PM   #7822
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thanks for your replies. i appreciate it
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You can get a 12L4 from www.kthobbies.com for $174 + shipping.. now that's cheap..
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Old 05-15-2004, 05:34 PM   #7824
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thanks im looking nto that.



does anyone know of any indoor track in new york or tri state area?
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Old 05-15-2004, 05:43 PM   #7825
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if it says pan car does that mean that the chassis was modified? can i run the 12 scale on road body that comes with the kit? can i race on the tracks with turn??

thanks guys

p.s. sorry if these question sound silly im just totally new to electric
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Old 05-16-2004, 05:42 PM   #7826
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Howdy!

Well, in case you were wondering, the 12l4 rocks. I really like this car. Handles great, forgiving yet responsive. Definitely a great purchase. I have never done so well as I did today with this car. I actually got 3rd in the main, and I have never done better than last!

So, I still have a long way to go, but at least the car is no longer my problem.
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Peter, you did lots better today... unfortunately, I didn't... lol

I was more consistent with my Rev3 than I am with the 12L4... I am glad you like your new car..

Have a good week...
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Old 05-16-2004, 08:33 PM   #7828
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Finally after months of buying the nessary stuff to get my knife on the road I was done.. wow it felt great to have everything ready to go the night b4 race day. I charged up my bat's on race day and headed to the track. Well it looks like the uvsc parking lot where the races have been for the last few months has pissed off somone and they had to move the race to an empty home depo parking lot. after the track was coated down with soda folks started running along the track. I waited till most of the first run was done and there was only me and another guy up and running. the car didnt want to run strait and triming helped some it pulled off to the left I could set the trim to that it wasent to bad on more beep and then it would pull to the right.. any way.. I had only 4 cells and was runing a stock revenge of the monster stock motor.. I was really suprised my car was faster then the tc3 guy that was running with me I figured I would be the sloest guy out there.. nifty.
well mebby 2 min into my run I had a bad crash into a barrier the Oring snaped and the batteries came forward.. tore the shock mount free and the shock burst also the battery brace broke. on the front end the body post snaped.
I never made it to an actual race bummer.. it will be another 2-3 weeks b4 I can get my car fixed again..
I have got to find some way to practice tho I dont really see how that is possible with out a prepaired track to practice on.
on the subject of tweak. to set the tweak do you lift the front or rear of the car ? I thought it was the rear.. and you wanted both tires to lift off at the same time. is that correct ?
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have few questions about kits.

1. trinity switchblade did that comeout befor or after reflex? how is the car?

2.crc calandra carpet knife is that the only model that crc made? how is the car?
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have few questions about kits.

1. trinity switchblade did that comeout befor or after reflex? how is the car?

2.crc calandra carpet knife is that the only model that crc made? how is the car?
1. yes the SB12 came out before the Reflex 12.

2. They make the CK and 6 pack car. Now they have a t-force.
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