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TIRES:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the US:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the Europe:
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The following information came from HERE, with some editing and information added. Thanks Christian!

THIS MAY NEED UPDATING FOR THE NEW BLACK CRC CARPET

Brands:
BSR, CRC, Jaco:
Pro One is no longer selling to the public, but it and the brands above are all mounted by BSR and use the same foam. The nomenclature of the BSR vs Jaco/CRC is a little different in a few instances but is otherwise the same. The BSR foam consists of three families, and can be identifed as synthetics, naturals, and blends.

Synthetics - The old school, light weight, easy to true "dry feeling" tires. These include tires like CRC/Jaco Yellow (BSR White), Black, Gray, etc. These tires offer the highest wear rate and lowest grip. Many racers continue to use these nder high bite conditions.

Naturals - These tires are usually the best alternative for low bite and asphalt. They include Pink, Magenta, Double Pink, Lilac (BSR Team Purple), Purple, and other tires. These tires provide a ton of grip, but tend to get sticky in high bite conditions. This rubber does not wear as easily, and the cars will pick up gunk and fibers from the carpet under most high bite conditions. This is especially bad if the humidity is high.

Blends - These are the tires most people run today. They were initially called "JFT foam" by some, as it was believed that the tires were the same as the JFT tires. We can divide the blends further into two groups: high rubber and low rubber content. The high rubber would be the new rear Orange and Red from the BSR family, and the low rubber would be the Green and Blue varieties. When, asked about the difference, John Foister from BSR Tires said they came from the same "family" of foam, but they offered different grip. According to John, the Green/Blue has more bite than Orange/Red, but from track testing Oranges offer more bite than Green (being equivalent to in hardness) when the grip is high and absolutely no grip when it is lower. The Orange foam has a denser pore structure and the tire is not as prone to chunking. It is also important to note is that BSR Blue rears are not the same as the BSR Blue fronts!

JFT:
JFT stands for Japan Foam Tire. They started the new wave of foam tires we are all using now (Blue/Blu, Green/Greene, Dbl Blue, etc). These tires are a little different than the BSR tire family, but work in very similar conditions. They offers four varieties A (asphalt), C (carpet), S (???), and R (???). This does not mean that those types only work on that surface, but this is what they recommend.

JFT uses the same foam for fronts and rears if the color is the same.

A: Used on asphalt, considered close to the natural rubber variety and are named consistently with other natural tires.
C: Used on carpet, considered a blend.
S: Used on carpet?, tires are ???
R: Used on carpet?, tires are ???

For setup, the JFT foam seem to generate more bite than the BSR, therefore the car tends to be a little more aggressive.

Ulti:
Ulti is another Japanese brand that offers an array of compounds. They have their own way of rating tires, and are difficult to equate to other brands. They have 4 different varieties, each in varying degrees of hardness.

J: High rubber content tire, similar to Pink/ Magenta. Soft would be close to a pink. These offer the most bite and are great for asphalt/carpet front tire. (J hard being very popular)
X: "Balanced" blend, similar to JFT Blue/ Green. Soft is equivalent to Green, medium to Blue in hardness. Great for carpet!
Y: High synthetic blend with lower grip, and is not a very popular variety.
Z: A very expensive "special" foam that is supposed to be magic on asphalt. Only make it in soft shore.
European tires:
There are many great European foam tire brands that use their own types of foam, as well as traditional foams. SOmeone with more knowledge about them will need to fill this in!

Tire Diameter:
If you are racing on carpet, you have to evaluate how much grip your track has. If your track is low to medium grip, you can run bigger tires. If you are on higher bite you have to cut them smaller, there is simply no way around it. Bigger tires are needed for asphalt, especially in the rear. The larger tires provide much needed lateral bite.

Carpet (mm):
Low - Medium Bite
Front: 42.0 - 42.5
Rear: 42.5 - 43.00
Medium - High Bite
Front: 40.5 - 41.0
Rear: 41.5 - 42.0
Big Race
Front: 39.5 - 40.0
Rear: 40.5 - 41.0
Asphalt (mm):
Parking Lot
Front: 43.0 - 44.0
Rear: 44.0 - 45.0
Prepped High Bite
Front: 42.0 - 43.0
Rear: 43.0 - 44.0

Tire Saucing:
Most facilities have moved towards odorless traction additives such as SXT. Some of additives evaporate very quickly and some do not. This seems to be something that is also dependent on tire compound and ambient temperature. For example, saucing a Green compound seems like it never dries, especially when tjhe temperature is lower. We have found that wiping the tires off 15 minutes before we go run allows the sauce to cure, which makes the car come in much quicker with Green rears. Blue compounds on the other hand, do fine when wiped off right before hitting the track.

Saucing half front and full rear is a good initial starting point. If the front of the car is too agressive you can sauce les than half, or for a shorter amount of time.
Tire Fuzzing:
In conditions of increasing grip, foam tires will somewtimes get sticky and pick up fuzz and debris from the track. This is highly dependent on the rubber sedan tire that is being run at your local track and the compound/ type of foam you are running on you car. The softer the sedan tire and the harder/higher rubber content in your foam tire, trouble with fuzzing seems more likely to occur.

There are ways to get around fuzzing under most conditions, and usually involves the selection of the correct foam compound. The more fuzz you get, the softer/lower rubber content you want to run.

Examples:
Problem: Car fuzzes with Lilac/Team Purple fronts and car starts pushing.
Solution: Use a softer front tire and or different family of foam. Replace it with Blue or Double Blue front.

Problem: Car loses rear bite 6 minutes into the run. Blue rear tires look almost clean but have small carpet hairs.
Solution: Use Green rear tires. The softer compound wears instead of getting sticky, minimizing fuzz.

Tire Selection:
Starting out, pick 2 tire compounds for the front and rear. The following should have you covered 99% of the time.

Front - Green and Blue (BSR) or Green and Light Blue (JFT)
Rear - Blue and Double Blue (BSR) or Blue and Dark Blue (JFT)

You may wonder about other compounds out there and if they might be better, trust me, they probably won't be. Even if there are other tires that can be as fast, the synthetic family wears out really fast and the high natural rubber will probably fuzz on you over an 8 minute run. The blends family seems to be the most versatile foam type available today. They last awhile, and sticking to them will make your process of tire selection simpler.
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ELECTRONICS:
ESC:
As of now, ROAR is staying 1S (3.7V nominal; 4.2V fully charged) for 1/12. There are many 1S ESC's with a built in BEC so nothing else is required to power the receiver and servo.

If you don't want to lock yourself into a 1S specific ESC, you do have other options! It is possible to use your 2S ESC without a booster or receiver pack, and the ESC simply supplies the lower voltage. If that does not appeal to you, you will need to use an Rx pack or booster. The Rx pack and booster will both supply the receiver with a higher voltage than the 1S pack.

If you decide to use an Rx pack, MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THE RED WIRE FROM THE ESC PLUG THAT GOES INTO THE RECEIVER!!!

If you choose to use a voltage booster, it works exactly how it sounds. Instead of plugging the ESC into the receiver, it plugs into the booster, and the booster plug goes to the ESC, supplying the higher voltage.

1S ESC:
If there are any missing please add them!!

If anyone would like a need for a chart comparing the ESC's specs PM fenton06 and I'll get one made and put in here!
Voltage Boosters:
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Black Art (CRC - US Dist):
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  • Black Market (Mohawk 12) - BA005 - .020



  • Lola B10 - BA006 - .020 thick
  • Toyota TS030 - BA008 - .020 thick

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Old 11-09-2003, 10:05 PM   #4786
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I was talking with Bruce yesterday...

To clear somethings up...

Bruce designed the original CK, he did NOT design the current 3.1/3.2 car. Besides the roll centers being high there is also another issue with that area of the car.

If you take the 3 pivot areas at the back of the car (the rear two side links and thecenter pivot) and drew a line through them, it would not be straight. Which is a MAJOR issue. It would be like having a kingpin that was not a straight line, but had a bend in the middle of it. It just doesnt pivot well. The Rev. 3 however, has a correct linear line between all three of those points, making it pivot properly.
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I have been reading this thread for a while, and I am amazed by some of the crap that people write on here.

First things first. Bruce did NOT design the CarpetKnife. Now I want everyone to read that again. Bruce did NOT design the CarpetKnife.

Second of all, StormPerson, you really have no idea what you are talking about. The CK's roll center is too high, the pivot points don't line up, the front end is no good, the pod plates bend, blah, blah, blah. These are all things that you have said. But yet you make no mention of how the CK wins just about every major 1/12th scale race in the country in stock. How the CK will sell more cars this year, then the Rev has ever sold.


Would you like to talk about race support? The Region 1 on-road championships were held this past weekend. Team CRC was there. Where was Team SpeedMerchant? Where were you? Both CRC and SpeedMerchant are based in Region 1, you would think that they would want to showoff the Rev3. I guess not.

Let's talk about the kits. The cars cost about the same. The Rev3 does not come complete. You need to buy turnbuckles to complete the kit? The spur gear does not ride on a ball bearing. The Rev3 does not come with tires or servo mounts. Also you cannot get the motor in or out of the rear pod without removing the top plate or grinding the hole big enough!

Stormperson you come on here saying that Bruce says this and Bruce said that. If it is so true, why doesn't Bruce come on here himself and say it?? Instead he sends his little soldiers on here to bash CRC.

I am a long time 12th scale racer (16 years), so I know first hand how fragile the class is. I was in Cleveland when it was 350 racers, not entries, but 350 actual people raced there. Before the whole sedan thing was ever thought of. I watched as 12th scale declined over the years and is now on the rise again. An important part of that is diversity. CRC, Associated, Corally, IRS, SpeedMerchant, Yokomo, all make cars. I probably left out a company or two. All of these companies are important to the growth of 12th scale. Some companies choose to take a more active role in trying to get 12th scale to grow. People like StormPerson who spend more time bashing other cars do more to hurt the class than help it.

And why don't you put your name up here instead of hiding behind a screen name, or don't you want to be help accountable for the things that you have said.

I don't want it to sound like a personal attack on Bruce, because it is not. I have known him for a long time, and I would love to have a beer with him in Cleveland if the opportunity presents itself.

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dumper-dont forget while bashing on stormperson that he has also been extremely helpful on this forum!!
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re: CRC and SpeedMerchant

I believe that Frank and Bruce both would agree that their main goal is the growth of 12th scale

By the way, my hero, Mark Smyka, did have most of his wins with the CRC T-bar car, not the Carpet Knife.
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Dumper...
You might want to watch what you say, the Rev.3 has acheived a "GOD" like status with some. It's the Alfa and Omega , .

I prefer run what you want, because in the end its your money, not there's.

What works for one may not work for the other.

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Barrys-you are correct. Smyka has done very well with the 6-pack. Alot of people have. He is my hero too!!

I don't have a problem with either Frank or Bruce. I am just tired of these people who hide behind screen names, and have no idea what they are talking about. I was there when and Frank and Bruce were partners. I ran the original CarpetKnife. I traveled to races with the two of them. These other people didn't.
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Fike-I think the more companies involved the merrier. That is what makes 12th scale so cool. The diversity. Each company has a different take on how to make a 12th scale car work.

As far as the Rev3 being "godlike" on this thread, so be it. But it is like the only Speedmerchant team driver said at the regionals this weekend "Driving a free Rev3 beats paying for anything else!"
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I have been reading this thread for a while, and I am amazed by some of the crap that people write on here.

First things first. Bruce did NOT design the CarpetKnife. Now I want everyone to read that again. Bruce did NOT design the CarpetKnife.

Second of all, StormPerson, you really have no idea what you are talking about. The CK's roll center is too high, the pivot points don't line up, the front end is no good, the pod plates bend, blah, blah, blah. These are all things that you have said. But yet you make no mention of how the CK wins just about every major 1/12th scale race in the country in stock. How the CK will sell more cars this year, then the Rev has ever sold.


Would you like to talk about race support? The Region 1 on-road championships were held this past weekend. Team CRC was there. Where was Team SpeedMerchant? Where were you? Both CRC and SpeedMerchant are based in Region 1, you would think that they would want to showoff the Rev3. I guess not.

Let's talk about the kits. The cars cost about the same. The Rev3 does not come complete. You need to buy turnbuckles to complete the kit? The spur gear does not ride on a ball bearing. The Rev3 does not come with tires or servo mounts. Also you cannot get the motor in or out of the rear pod without removing the top plate or grinding the hole big enough!

Stormperson you come on here saying that Bruce says this and Bruce said that. If it is so true, why doesn't Bruce come on here himself and say it?? Instead he sends his little soldiers on here to bash CRC.

I am a long time 12th scale racer (16 years), so I know first hand how fragile the class is. I was in Cleveland when it was 350 racers, not entries, but 350 actual people raced there. Before the whole sedan thing was ever thought of. I watched as 12th scale declined over the years and is now on the rise again. An important part of that is diversity. CRC, Associated, Corally, IRS, SpeedMerchant, Yokomo, all make cars. I probably left out a company or two. All of these companies are important to the growth of 12th scale. Some companies choose to take a more active role in trying to get 12th scale to grow. People like StormPerson who spend more time bashing other cars do more to hurt the class than help it.

And why don't you put your name up here instead of hiding behind a screen name, or don't you want to be help accountable for the things that you have said.

I don't want it to sound like a personal attack on Bruce, because it is not. I have known him for a long time, and I would love to have a beer with him in Cleveland if the opportunity presents itself.

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Brian: I've been in the game almost as long as you have, ( I give up about a year) and I've run both cars. I've noticed quite a few of the things that Stormy stated to be the God's honest truth. I had a Ver. 3 Knife and Switched over to Speedmerchant and found the cars to be immensely different, and for me, the Rev. 3 is a better fit.

I too was at Cleveland before "The Dark Time", and I had an original Knife, so maybe if these things came from me you'd be more forgiving?

I know Frank, he's one of the best guys in the history of the hobby. I ran CRC cars for 7 or so years, and Frank's support is EXCELLENT. And I can tell you from experience, that Bruce's support is just as strong. He made not have made the region 1 champs, but Frank didn't make a race that I threw a couple years back. I'm not out here throwin' Frank in front of the bad customer service bus though am I? And No sense in us showing up to the Region 1 Champs to "show-off" the Rev. 3. We've got SEVENTEEN National Titles. So I guess the CK doesn't win just about EVERY big race now does it? Plus several of CRC's big wins have come from driver's using a (GASP!!!!) T-BAR CAR!!!!

You will never hear me bash a CarpetKnife, it's a competent and competitive car. Hell, there've been times I jumped in when others were bashing it and that's since I made the switch! Stormy's stating the facts as he sees them, or has heard them. There's nothing wrong with that. I too have experienced bent pod plates, and I too sought to lower the roll-center on my Knife Ver. 3 every now and again. I also think that the AE dynamic Strut front-end is the most poorly manufactured piece of crap ever to grace the front of a pan-car. I ran Old Skool on my knife too. And if you want a Knife that way, I believe Frank will sell you one. I know MY Ver. 3 Knife came with an Old Skool Front-End.

Now Brian, can you bestow upon us the full details of the birth of the original CarpetKnife? I'd really love to know!


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Just a little info here. Walter Henderson broke two of the Silva spring steel t-plates at the region 5 onroad championships this past weekend. Don't think for a minute that because it is metal, it will not break. I can honestly say, however, that the handling of the car with this t-plate is excellent, combining the responsivness of the .075 fibergalss version with the forward bite of the .063 fiberglass t-plate.
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I was very strongly consdering a Rev3 before buying my knife. What sealed the deal for me was the fact that if I have questions or need support on my CK I have a large user-base to question locally, an informative forum on the teamcrc.com website, as well as customer service numbers where I can call and reach someone to ask questions and GET ANSWERS.

The Rev3 did look like a sweet car, but when I call their customer service number as listed on their website, send emails, etc with specific questions I get NO RESPONSE.

I'm not saying that customer service is non-existent in all cases. I am saying that in my case it was. I don't liek the idea of needing to rummage around through third-party forums in order to get 'technical support'

Like I stated in an earlier post, I may go with a Speedmerchant somewhere down the road....but for know CK it is. I've seen CRC post a message on this forum before, it would be interesting to hear their take on some of these 'design flaws'

Likewise, I'd love to hear what Speedmerchant considers 'customer service'

All of this non-stop banter about why the Rev3 is the only car ever worth even considering driving means absolutely nothing to me if the builder isn't making himself available to stand behind his product.

I'm anxiously awaiting the "Speedmerchant is busy..they didn't have time to get back to you" response...it's been over a month...

or how about the "He must have misplaced your message"..that's re-assuring...

hmmm...or maybe...more likely..."you're just an individual buyer..not a big shop..too busy to deal with you"...

A-HA!! I'm SOLD!!!............... a carpet knife
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I hate to point this out, but MY pivot points are all on the same plane.... and I have not raised or lowered my side links in any way.....if you want I can tear my car apart and take measurements.....

Stormperson-- just an opinion, but I really wouldn't "put words in other people's mouths" or regurgitate anything someone else has said in a personnal conversation... really all I can say for sure is that you have made either yourself and/or Bruce look bad..... You have to admit that if you reread your post it sounds like he was just bashing the CK....

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I am sorry if I upset anyone, and I apolgize. Yes in retrospect I could have stated my opinions in a better manner (or less harshly, lol). Almost all cars out there are competivie I was voicing my opinion in the minor differences.

All companies have good support out there and I would be more than willing to help anyone set up and get there car running no matter what the brand. All anyone has to do is visit my home track to see me helping out people with Corrally, CRC, Speedmerchant, whatever brand car, even sedans (GASP! lol
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If anyone has anyone question on how to build or set up any car, please feel free to ask, and I would be more than willing to help. No one can be everywhere everytime, so thats why some companies rely on satified customers (of which there are many from many different brands) to help spread the world. Like Toyota says "ask someone who owns one", lol.

Before this turns into a flamer thread I am going to stop there.
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I just double-checked mine too Impact...

Mine are aligned in horizontal plane and appear to be aligned vertically as well.

I do like the idea of the Old School front end...but if it was perfect...why in the world would Speed merchant be launching the V-Force in the Summer of 2003????

Oh! Wait a minute...the date must have been moved...they'll probably update that info on their site when they post a picture of a non-fibreglass Rev3...or they post information about addtional components required...

I'm sure that they focus the BULK of their energy on their car design..which is as it should be....however...these minor oversights also make me wonder what else has been neglected?

I look at 1:1 autos the same way...you're buying into a complete package, product, design, service, information...Any major defficiencies in any of those areas...for me, anyway...is a red-flag..and it makes me question all of the areas in greater detail.
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I am sorry about that incorrect information. I did not mean any harm by it, and I had not seen the chassis to double check. I will make sure to do so in the future.

The old style front end is not perfect, nothing always 100% the best everywhere, its all a compermise. The V-Force should be coming out within the next few months, and it will be worth the wait. Not to say that the old style and strut front ends are not good in their own right. I have run both and have always come back to the old style because it is just so much easier and the extra bit of steering gained with the strut is not worth all of the maintence and problems due to the lack of quality in how it is made. However that is one of the few exceptions in all of the parts that AE has made.
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