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KITS:
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TIRES:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the US:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the Europe:
  • Hot Race ??

Gluing your own donuts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7z1rz-74s - Special thanks to Edward Pickering!
Truing tires:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wqHOLWq6Uc - Special thanks to Edward Pickering!

The following information came from HERE, with some editing and information added. Thanks Christian!

THIS MAY NEED UPDATING FOR THE NEW BLACK CRC CARPET

Brands:
BSR, CRC, Jaco:
Pro One is no longer selling to the public, but it and the brands above are all mounted by BSR and use the same foam. The nomenclature of the BSR vs Jaco/CRC is a little different in a few instances but is otherwise the same. The BSR foam consists of three families, and can be identifed as synthetics, naturals, and blends.

Synthetics - The old school, light weight, easy to true "dry feeling" tires. These include tires like CRC/Jaco Yellow (BSR White), Black, Gray, etc. These tires offer the highest wear rate and lowest grip. Many racers continue to use these nder high bite conditions.

Naturals - These tires are usually the best alternative for low bite and asphalt. They include Pink, Magenta, Double Pink, Lilac (BSR Team Purple), Purple, and other tires. These tires provide a ton of grip, but tend to get sticky in high bite conditions. This rubber does not wear as easily, and the cars will pick up gunk and fibers from the carpet under most high bite conditions. This is especially bad if the humidity is high.

Blends - These are the tires most people run today. They were initially called "JFT foam" by some, as it was believed that the tires were the same as the JFT tires. We can divide the blends further into two groups: high rubber and low rubber content. The high rubber would be the new rear Orange and Red from the BSR family, and the low rubber would be the Green and Blue varieties. When, asked about the difference, John Foister from BSR Tires said they came from the same "family" of foam, but they offered different grip. According to John, the Green/Blue has more bite than Orange/Red, but from track testing Oranges offer more bite than Green (being equivalent to in hardness) when the grip is high and absolutely no grip when it is lower. The Orange foam has a denser pore structure and the tire is not as prone to chunking. It is also important to note is that BSR Blue rears are not the same as the BSR Blue fronts!

JFT:
JFT stands for Japan Foam Tire. They started the new wave of foam tires we are all using now (Blue/Blu, Green/Greene, Dbl Blue, etc). These tires are a little different than the BSR tire family, but work in very similar conditions. They offers four varieties A (asphalt), C (carpet), S (???), and R (???). This does not mean that those types only work on that surface, but this is what they recommend.

JFT uses the same foam for fronts and rears if the color is the same.

A: Used on asphalt, considered close to the natural rubber variety and are named consistently with other natural tires.
C: Used on carpet, considered a blend.
S: Used on carpet?, tires are ???
R: Used on carpet?, tires are ???

For setup, the JFT foam seem to generate more bite than the BSR, therefore the car tends to be a little more aggressive.

Ulti:
Ulti is another Japanese brand that offers an array of compounds. They have their own way of rating tires, and are difficult to equate to other brands. They have 4 different varieties, each in varying degrees of hardness.

J: High rubber content tire, similar to Pink/ Magenta. Soft would be close to a pink. These offer the most bite and are great for asphalt/carpet front tire. (J hard being very popular)
X: "Balanced" blend, similar to JFT Blue/ Green. Soft is equivalent to Green, medium to Blue in hardness. Great for carpet!
Y: High synthetic blend with lower grip, and is not a very popular variety.
Z: A very expensive "special" foam that is supposed to be magic on asphalt. Only make it in soft shore.
European tires:
There are many great European foam tire brands that use their own types of foam, as well as traditional foams. SOmeone with more knowledge about them will need to fill this in!

Tire Diameter:
If you are racing on carpet, you have to evaluate how much grip your track has. If your track is low to medium grip, you can run bigger tires. If you are on higher bite you have to cut them smaller, there is simply no way around it. Bigger tires are needed for asphalt, especially in the rear. The larger tires provide much needed lateral bite.

Carpet (mm):
Low - Medium Bite
Front: 42.0 - 42.5
Rear: 42.5 - 43.00
Medium - High Bite
Front: 40.5 - 41.0
Rear: 41.5 - 42.0
Big Race
Front: 39.5 - 40.0
Rear: 40.5 - 41.0
Asphalt (mm):
Parking Lot
Front: 43.0 - 44.0
Rear: 44.0 - 45.0
Prepped High Bite
Front: 42.0 - 43.0
Rear: 43.0 - 44.0

Tire Saucing:
Most facilities have moved towards odorless traction additives such as SXT. Some of additives evaporate very quickly and some do not. This seems to be something that is also dependent on tire compound and ambient temperature. For example, saucing a Green compound seems like it never dries, especially when tjhe temperature is lower. We have found that wiping the tires off 15 minutes before we go run allows the sauce to cure, which makes the car come in much quicker with Green rears. Blue compounds on the other hand, do fine when wiped off right before hitting the track.

Saucing half front and full rear is a good initial starting point. If the front of the car is too agressive you can sauce les than half, or for a shorter amount of time.
Tire Fuzzing:
In conditions of increasing grip, foam tires will somewtimes get sticky and pick up fuzz and debris from the track. This is highly dependent on the rubber sedan tire that is being run at your local track and the compound/ type of foam you are running on you car. The softer the sedan tire and the harder/higher rubber content in your foam tire, trouble with fuzzing seems more likely to occur.

There are ways to get around fuzzing under most conditions, and usually involves the selection of the correct foam compound. The more fuzz you get, the softer/lower rubber content you want to run.

Examples:
Problem: Car fuzzes with Lilac/Team Purple fronts and car starts pushing.
Solution: Use a softer front tire and or different family of foam. Replace it with Blue or Double Blue front.

Problem: Car loses rear bite 6 minutes into the run. Blue rear tires look almost clean but have small carpet hairs.
Solution: Use Green rear tires. The softer compound wears instead of getting sticky, minimizing fuzz.

Tire Selection:
Starting out, pick 2 tire compounds for the front and rear. The following should have you covered 99% of the time.

Front - Green and Blue (BSR) or Green and Light Blue (JFT)
Rear - Blue and Double Blue (BSR) or Blue and Dark Blue (JFT)

You may wonder about other compounds out there and if they might be better, trust me, they probably won't be. Even if there are other tires that can be as fast, the synthetic family wears out really fast and the high natural rubber will probably fuzz on you over an 8 minute run. The blends family seems to be the most versatile foam type available today. They last awhile, and sticking to them will make your process of tire selection simpler.
Tire Charts:
BSR/CRC/Jaco



Contact



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JFT (Japan Foam Tire)



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ELECTRONICS:
ESC:
As of now, ROAR is staying 1S (3.7V nominal; 4.2V fully charged) for 1/12. There are many 1S ESC's with a built in BEC so nothing else is required to power the receiver and servo.

If you don't want to lock yourself into a 1S specific ESC, you do have other options! It is possible to use your 2S ESC without a booster or receiver pack, and the ESC simply supplies the lower voltage. If that does not appeal to you, you will need to use an Rx pack or booster. The Rx pack and booster will both supply the receiver with a higher voltage than the 1S pack.

If you decide to use an Rx pack, MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THE RED WIRE FROM THE ESC PLUG THAT GOES INTO THE RECEIVER!!!

If you choose to use a voltage booster, it works exactly how it sounds. Instead of plugging the ESC into the receiver, it plugs into the booster, and the booster plug goes to the ESC, supplying the higher voltage.

1S ESC:
If there are any missing please add them!!

If anyone would like a need for a chart comparing the ESC's specs PM fenton06 and I'll get one made and put in here!
Voltage Boosters:
If there are any missing please add them!
Servos:
BODIES:
Black Art (CRC - US Dist):
  • Audi R8C - BA002 - .020 Thick



  • Black Market (Mohawk 12) - BA005 - .020



  • Lola B10 - BA006 - .020 thick
  • Toyota TS030 - BA008 - .020 thick

    Lola - black/red, TS030 - green/pink


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Old 10-08-2003, 08:15 PM   #4336
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speedxl- I'll take your advice, it'll probably do well. you actually run a 19t 12th scale class at your track? sounds like fun
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I like the TRC tires aside from the cool color they seem durable for the weight. I use other tires but when the racin is intense I'll have the TRCs on
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Old 10-09-2003, 01:20 AM   #4338
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Trinity Reflex12 was exhibited by RC Show in Tokyo. This is one of the picture



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Old 10-09-2003, 04:59 AM   #4339
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The only thing more hideous than that graphite is the purple graphite on my switchblade.

Dont mean to offend anyone if thats not their thing, but I really dont like that colour.
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Old 10-09-2003, 07:46 AM   #4340
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Trinity Reflex12 was exhibited by RC Show in Tokyo. This is one of the picture



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You've got some good stuff on your page on building techniques. Although I can't read Japanese, the pictures are more than enough to get the ideas across.

thanks.
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Old 10-09-2003, 04:45 PM   #4341
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I use a durometer on all of my tires when they break out of the package. I never just purchase one set of tires, I usualy purchase in bulk quantities, enough to last me the racing season. This way I can match the tires better for a more consistent feel.
SpeedyTC3 . . . Where do you buy tires in bulk? Your method sounds like good advice.
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Old 10-09-2003, 07:48 PM   #4342
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Default T-bar Shimming

I'm new to all this RC stuff, especially 1/12th scale. I have the above mentioned car. Periodocally I see someone mention shimming the T-bar, usually the front. It's even listed on the setup sheets on Associated's web site. Could some explain this phenomon to me. What is does and what to sue for shims.
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Can anyone running a Novak GT7 in their 12th scale car give me some feedback on the new Power Module wire harness that is available for older GT7's and now shipping with the latest batches of that ESC.

Novak claims cooler operating temps, higher RPM so I picked one up and wonder if anyone has any info or feedback on its performance.

Lastly, if anyone has any pics on how they installed this wire harness in their car that would be awesome. The board that the diode sits on is a little big and I am trying to find a way to get it in the car without hitting the body.

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Old 10-10-2003, 02:18 AM   #4344
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Default Tire diameter

I have read so many ariticle about rollout, but they all talks about the same thing, selecting gear ratio, tire diameter changes, ...

But what I would like to know are:
- How to select a starting tire diameter?
- Is the lower profile tire going to give more active and aggresive feeling when cornering, since it is so close to the wheel. Higher profile will give the car more rolling?

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Old 10-10-2003, 03:54 AM   #4345
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Tires with more foam on them give more traction. The closer to the wheel, the less foam and flex for bite. You will find a sweet spot where they wear slower and perform best. I don't true my tires (GASP!) I just run them from new till they are worn out, I'm kind of cheap and sponsor my son's racing too. Most people true them to a starting size because they are more consistant which counts a lot.

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bobbyz- Its really there so the ESC doesnt blow up, which GT7's have a tendacy to do, ALOT. The best way i have seen it mounted so for was by taking off the shrink wrapping and ziptieing it to the case through where you would normally zip tie the capacitor. (although this might void your warrenty, i dunno, i saw it on a factoy novak driver's car, so to him it really didnt matter, lol).
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Tires with more foam on them give more traction. The closer to the wheel, the less foam and flex for bite. You will find a sweet spot where they wear slower and perform best. I don't true my tires (GASP!) I just run them from new till they are worn out, I'm kind of cheap and sponsor my son's racing too. Most people true them to a starting size because they are more consistant which counts a lot.
I've always done the same thing...you're not alone.
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Any pics of this Novak thing ?
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Check out the Novak Website. Go to their products section and then to the Accessories link.

Here is the link:

http://www.teamnovak.com/Buy/ind_buypgs/5638.html
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Whats teh difference between the rev2 and rev3? Is it just the old front end and new front end?
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