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TIRES:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the US:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the Europe:
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Gluing your own donuts:
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The following information came from HERE, with some editing and information added. Thanks Christian!

THIS MAY NEED UPDATING FOR THE NEW BLACK CRC CARPET

Brands:
BSR, CRC, Jaco:
Pro One is no longer selling to the public, but it and the brands above are all mounted by BSR and use the same foam. The nomenclature of the BSR vs Jaco/CRC is a little different in a few instances but is otherwise the same. The BSR foam consists of three families, and can be identifed as synthetics, naturals, and blends.

Synthetics - The old school, light weight, easy to true "dry feeling" tires. These include tires like CRC/Jaco Yellow (BSR White), Black, Gray, etc. These tires offer the highest wear rate and lowest grip. Many racers continue to use these nder high bite conditions.

Naturals - These tires are usually the best alternative for low bite and asphalt. They include Pink, Magenta, Double Pink, Lilac (BSR Team Purple), Purple, and other tires. These tires provide a ton of grip, but tend to get sticky in high bite conditions. This rubber does not wear as easily, and the cars will pick up gunk and fibers from the carpet under most high bite conditions. This is especially bad if the humidity is high.

Blends - These are the tires most people run today. They were initially called "JFT foam" by some, as it was believed that the tires were the same as the JFT tires. We can divide the blends further into two groups: high rubber and low rubber content. The high rubber would be the new rear Orange and Red from the BSR family, and the low rubber would be the Green and Blue varieties. When, asked about the difference, John Foister from BSR Tires said they came from the same "family" of foam, but they offered different grip. According to John, the Green/Blue has more bite than Orange/Red, but from track testing Oranges offer more bite than Green (being equivalent to in hardness) when the grip is high and absolutely no grip when it is lower. The Orange foam has a denser pore structure and the tire is not as prone to chunking. It is also important to note is that BSR Blue rears are not the same as the BSR Blue fronts!

JFT:
JFT stands for Japan Foam Tire. They started the new wave of foam tires we are all using now (Blue/Blu, Green/Greene, Dbl Blue, etc). These tires are a little different than the BSR tire family, but work in very similar conditions. They offers four varieties A (asphalt), C (carpet), S (???), and R (???). This does not mean that those types only work on that surface, but this is what they recommend.

JFT uses the same foam for fronts and rears if the color is the same.

A: Used on asphalt, considered close to the natural rubber variety and are named consistently with other natural tires.
C: Used on carpet, considered a blend.
S: Used on carpet?, tires are ???
R: Used on carpet?, tires are ???

For setup, the JFT foam seem to generate more bite than the BSR, therefore the car tends to be a little more aggressive.

Ulti:
Ulti is another Japanese brand that offers an array of compounds. They have their own way of rating tires, and are difficult to equate to other brands. They have 4 different varieties, each in varying degrees of hardness.

J: High rubber content tire, similar to Pink/ Magenta. Soft would be close to a pink. These offer the most bite and are great for asphalt/carpet front tire. (J hard being very popular)
X: "Balanced" blend, similar to JFT Blue/ Green. Soft is equivalent to Green, medium to Blue in hardness. Great for carpet!
Y: High synthetic blend with lower grip, and is not a very popular variety.
Z: A very expensive "special" foam that is supposed to be magic on asphalt. Only make it in soft shore.
European tires:
There are many great European foam tire brands that use their own types of foam, as well as traditional foams. SOmeone with more knowledge about them will need to fill this in!

Tire Diameter:
If you are racing on carpet, you have to evaluate how much grip your track has. If your track is low to medium grip, you can run bigger tires. If you are on higher bite you have to cut them smaller, there is simply no way around it. Bigger tires are needed for asphalt, especially in the rear. The larger tires provide much needed lateral bite.

Carpet (mm):
Low - Medium Bite
Front: 42.0 - 42.5
Rear: 42.5 - 43.00
Medium - High Bite
Front: 40.5 - 41.0
Rear: 41.5 - 42.0
Big Race
Front: 39.5 - 40.0
Rear: 40.5 - 41.0
Asphalt (mm):
Parking Lot
Front: 43.0 - 44.0
Rear: 44.0 - 45.0
Prepped High Bite
Front: 42.0 - 43.0
Rear: 43.0 - 44.0

Tire Saucing:
Most facilities have moved towards odorless traction additives such as SXT. Some of additives evaporate very quickly and some do not. This seems to be something that is also dependent on tire compound and ambient temperature. For example, saucing a Green compound seems like it never dries, especially when tjhe temperature is lower. We have found that wiping the tires off 15 minutes before we go run allows the sauce to cure, which makes the car come in much quicker with Green rears. Blue compounds on the other hand, do fine when wiped off right before hitting the track.

Saucing half front and full rear is a good initial starting point. If the front of the car is too agressive you can sauce les than half, or for a shorter amount of time.
Tire Fuzzing:
In conditions of increasing grip, foam tires will somewtimes get sticky and pick up fuzz and debris from the track. This is highly dependent on the rubber sedan tire that is being run at your local track and the compound/ type of foam you are running on you car. The softer the sedan tire and the harder/higher rubber content in your foam tire, trouble with fuzzing seems more likely to occur.

There are ways to get around fuzzing under most conditions, and usually involves the selection of the correct foam compound. The more fuzz you get, the softer/lower rubber content you want to run.

Examples:
Problem: Car fuzzes with Lilac/Team Purple fronts and car starts pushing.
Solution: Use a softer front tire and or different family of foam. Replace it with Blue or Double Blue front.

Problem: Car loses rear bite 6 minutes into the run. Blue rear tires look almost clean but have small carpet hairs.
Solution: Use Green rear tires. The softer compound wears instead of getting sticky, minimizing fuzz.

Tire Selection:
Starting out, pick 2 tire compounds for the front and rear. The following should have you covered 99% of the time.

Front - Green and Blue (BSR) or Green and Light Blue (JFT)
Rear - Blue and Double Blue (BSR) or Blue and Dark Blue (JFT)

You may wonder about other compounds out there and if they might be better, trust me, they probably won't be. Even if there are other tires that can be as fast, the synthetic family wears out really fast and the high natural rubber will probably fuzz on you over an 8 minute run. The blends family seems to be the most versatile foam type available today. They last awhile, and sticking to them will make your process of tire selection simpler.
Tire Charts:
BSR/CRC/Jaco



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ELECTRONICS:
ESC:
As of now, ROAR is staying 1S (3.7V nominal; 4.2V fully charged) for 1/12. There are many 1S ESC's with a built in BEC so nothing else is required to power the receiver and servo.

If you don't want to lock yourself into a 1S specific ESC, you do have other options! It is possible to use your 2S ESC without a booster or receiver pack, and the ESC simply supplies the lower voltage. If that does not appeal to you, you will need to use an Rx pack or booster. The Rx pack and booster will both supply the receiver with a higher voltage than the 1S pack.

If you decide to use an Rx pack, MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THE RED WIRE FROM THE ESC PLUG THAT GOES INTO THE RECEIVER!!!

If you choose to use a voltage booster, it works exactly how it sounds. Instead of plugging the ESC into the receiver, it plugs into the booster, and the booster plug goes to the ESC, supplying the higher voltage.

1S ESC:
If there are any missing please add them!!

If anyone would like a need for a chart comparing the ESC's specs PM fenton06 and I'll get one made and put in here!
Voltage Boosters:
If there are any missing please add them!
Servos:
BODIES:
Black Art (CRC - US Dist):
  • Audi R8C - BA002 - .020 Thick



  • Black Market (Mohawk 12) - BA005 - .020



  • Lola B10 - BA006 - .020 thick
  • Toyota TS030 - BA008 - .020 thick

    Lola - black/red, TS030 - green/pink


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Old 08-31-2012, 08:17 PM   #38236
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Does anybody have any suggestions for modern 12th scale bodies that will fit this Delta Phaser:



I'm looking for something that will actually perform (so probably not the Tamiya bodies). I would prefer the thicker lexen bodies but will settle for others. Needs to be commercially available.

The main issue is the rear mounted shock. I need a body with a fair amount of space at the rear. Best I've tried so far is the CRC Black Art Audi R8C. If there is anything else with a little more space that's what I'm looking for.
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I felt like the Bomb R had more rear leg room.
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Default hey guys i have a speed merchant rev 4.5

i am using jaco lilac fronts and jaco yellow rears for 21.5 blinky. what diameter do i turn tires down to ?
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Any local Chicagoland people there will be two National 12th scale National champs at "The Track" in Winthrop Harbor. So if you want to see where you stand bring the 12th scales with you.

They open at 9am Central time.
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Hello,

I'm a total beginner in onroad (I'm a offroad driver) and would like to run the 1/12 class to improve my skills.

What kind of motor/ esc/ lipos do you typically run in this class? How is the cost to race a season compared to other classes?

If you have a typical configuration to begin with this would help a lot too

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Hello,

I'm a total beginner in onroad (I'm a offroad driver) and would like to run the 1/12 class to improve my skills.

What kind of motor/ esc/ lipos do you typically run in this class? How is the cost to race a season compared to other classes?

If you have a typical configuration to begin with this would help a lot too

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You won't regret it!! no better way to hone your skills than 8 minutes of fast high grip racing!! Best bet is to stop by the track you are planning on running at and picking the brains of the racers there.

Your always going to run a 1s lipo, and nearly any speedo will work, just be heads up that some may require a reciever pack or voltage booster.
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i am using jaco lilac fronts and jaco yellow rears for 21.5 blinky. what diameter do i turn tires down to ?
Tire dia is normally adjusted for grip level, a lot of racers just run them out of the box with no cutting, depends how much grip at your track, and how picky you are about setup

For 1s 21.5 blinky, you are going to need a lot of gear/rollout, unless the track is very small
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I'm a total beginner in onroad (I'm a offroad driver) and would like to run the 1/12 class to improve my skills.

What kind of motor/ esc/ lipos do you typically run in this class? How is the cost to race a season compared to other classes?

If you have a typical configuration to begin with this would help a lot too

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There are all kinds of ways to mount electronics in a 12th scale, check the 12th scale link in my sig for tons of info on these cool little cars


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Tire dia is normally adjusted for grip level, a lot of racers just run them out of the box with no cutting, depends how much grip at your track, and how picky you are about setup

For 1s 21.5 blinky, you are going to need a lot of gear/rollout, unless the track is very small

There are all kinds of ways to mount electronics in a 12th scale, check the 12th scale link in my sig for tons of info on these cool little cars


Raaaa these are so beautiful, I'm in love already

I had a close friend who was a champion in 1/8 nitro classic class in France when I was a kid, I always liked the simple 2wd layout. So clean!

Thanks a lot for the links this is exactly what I needed. Hope to find a car soon
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At our track we run 17.5 , can I run any 17.5 motor or do I something special motor for 1 cell ?
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At our track we run 17.5 , can I run any 17.5 motor or do I something special motor for 1 cell ?
You can run any 17.5 you like. Some people tune for a specific track by changing rotors, high RPM for a long fast track, high torque for a more technical layout. Standard rotors work just fine for 98% of people. The most popular right now seem to be the Revtech and the Trinity D3.5, but getting the set up of the chassis and the gearing right is much more important than the brand. Last Sunday at our track I think it was a Revtech 1ST, Speed Passion MMM 2ND, and D3.5 3RD.
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Ahhhh drove my X12 today and it was awesome. Boy did I miss running 12th scale. Last time I ran 12th scale on carpet was 2003/2004 season. So awesome.
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Ahhhh drove my X12 today and it was awesome. Boy did I miss running 12th scale. Last time I ran 12th scale on carpet was 2003/2004 season. So awesome.
I just got my car back from Jonesy and he ordered his own today, so looks like we'll get to battle you in 2 classes now. You gonna hit the Hurricane races?
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I just got my car back from Jonesy and he ordered his own today, so looks like we'll get to battle you in 2 classes now. You gonna hit the Hurricane races?
I should be running the Hurricane races, US. Southern Nats, and Cleveland. That's whats on the schedule for now.

Who knows I now may be running two 12th scale classes at Cleveland
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I felt like the Bomb R had more rear leg room.
Thanks Andrew. I had a bashed up Bomb R still in my rubbish bin, took it out, and you're right, it does have a fair bit more rear space. So, that's one.

Does anyone know of any others, any out of thicker lexan? I wish CRC would pull there bodies out of some thicker stuff.
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The AMR-12 is pretty similar to the bomb-r so it may fit as well. And PF makes it in a standard weight.
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