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Pre-mounted tires readily available in the US:
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The following information came from HERE, with some editing and information added. Thanks Christian!

THIS MAY NEED UPDATING FOR THE NEW BLACK CRC CARPET

Brands:
BSR, CRC, Jaco:
Pro One is no longer selling to the public, but it and the brands above are all mounted by BSR and use the same foam. The nomenclature of the BSR vs Jaco/CRC is a little different in a few instances but is otherwise the same. The BSR foam consists of three families, and can be identifed as synthetics, naturals, and blends.

Synthetics - The old school, light weight, easy to true "dry feeling" tires. These include tires like CRC/Jaco Yellow (BSR White), Black, Gray, etc. These tires offer the highest wear rate and lowest grip. Many racers continue to use these nder high bite conditions.

Naturals - These tires are usually the best alternative for low bite and asphalt. They include Pink, Magenta, Double Pink, Lilac (BSR Team Purple), Purple, and other tires. These tires provide a ton of grip, but tend to get sticky in high bite conditions. This rubber does not wear as easily, and the cars will pick up gunk and fibers from the carpet under most high bite conditions. This is especially bad if the humidity is high.

Blends - These are the tires most people run today. They were initially called "JFT foam" by some, as it was believed that the tires were the same as the JFT tires. We can divide the blends further into two groups: high rubber and low rubber content. The high rubber would be the new rear Orange and Red from the BSR family, and the low rubber would be the Green and Blue varieties. When, asked about the difference, John Foister from BSR Tires said they came from the same "family" of foam, but they offered different grip. According to John, the Green/Blue has more bite than Orange/Red, but from track testing Oranges offer more bite than Green (being equivalent to in hardness) when the grip is high and absolutely no grip when it is lower. The Orange foam has a denser pore structure and the tire is not as prone to chunking. It is also important to note is that BSR Blue rears are not the same as the BSR Blue fronts!

JFT:
JFT stands for Japan Foam Tire. They started the new wave of foam tires we are all using now (Blue/Blu, Green/Greene, Dbl Blue, etc). These tires are a little different than the BSR tire family, but work in very similar conditions. They offers four varieties A (asphalt), C (carpet), S (???), and R (???). This does not mean that those types only work on that surface, but this is what they recommend.

JFT uses the same foam for fronts and rears if the color is the same.

A: Used on asphalt, considered close to the natural rubber variety and are named consistently with other natural tires.
C: Used on carpet, considered a blend.
S: Used on carpet?, tires are ???
R: Used on carpet?, tires are ???

For setup, the JFT foam seem to generate more bite than the BSR, therefore the car tends to be a little more aggressive.

Ulti:
Ulti is another Japanese brand that offers an array of compounds. They have their own way of rating tires, and are difficult to equate to other brands. They have 4 different varieties, each in varying degrees of hardness.

J: High rubber content tire, similar to Pink/ Magenta. Soft would be close to a pink. These offer the most bite and are great for asphalt/carpet front tire. (J hard being very popular)
X: "Balanced" blend, similar to JFT Blue/ Green. Soft is equivalent to Green, medium to Blue in hardness. Great for carpet!
Y: High synthetic blend with lower grip, and is not a very popular variety.
Z: A very expensive "special" foam that is supposed to be magic on asphalt. Only make it in soft shore.
European tires:
There are many great European foam tire brands that use their own types of foam, as well as traditional foams. SOmeone with more knowledge about them will need to fill this in!

Tire Diameter:
If you are racing on carpet, you have to evaluate how much grip your track has. If your track is low to medium grip, you can run bigger tires. If you are on higher bite you have to cut them smaller, there is simply no way around it. Bigger tires are needed for asphalt, especially in the rear. The larger tires provide much needed lateral bite.

Carpet (mm):
Low - Medium Bite
Front: 42.0 - 42.5
Rear: 42.5 - 43.00
Medium - High Bite
Front: 40.5 - 41.0
Rear: 41.5 - 42.0
Big Race
Front: 39.5 - 40.0
Rear: 40.5 - 41.0
Asphalt (mm):
Parking Lot
Front: 43.0 - 44.0
Rear: 44.0 - 45.0
Prepped High Bite
Front: 42.0 - 43.0
Rear: 43.0 - 44.0

Tire Saucing:
Most facilities have moved towards odorless traction additives such as SXT. Some of additives evaporate very quickly and some do not. This seems to be something that is also dependent on tire compound and ambient temperature. For example, saucing a Green compound seems like it never dries, especially when tjhe temperature is lower. We have found that wiping the tires off 15 minutes before we go run allows the sauce to cure, which makes the car come in much quicker with Green rears. Blue compounds on the other hand, do fine when wiped off right before hitting the track.

Saucing half front and full rear is a good initial starting point. If the front of the car is too agressive you can sauce les than half, or for a shorter amount of time.
Tire Fuzzing:
In conditions of increasing grip, foam tires will somewtimes get sticky and pick up fuzz and debris from the track. This is highly dependent on the rubber sedan tire that is being run at your local track and the compound/ type of foam you are running on you car. The softer the sedan tire and the harder/higher rubber content in your foam tire, trouble with fuzzing seems more likely to occur.

There are ways to get around fuzzing under most conditions, and usually involves the selection of the correct foam compound. The more fuzz you get, the softer/lower rubber content you want to run.

Examples:
Problem: Car fuzzes with Lilac/Team Purple fronts and car starts pushing.
Solution: Use a softer front tire and or different family of foam. Replace it with Blue or Double Blue front.

Problem: Car loses rear bite 6 minutes into the run. Blue rear tires look almost clean but have small carpet hairs.
Solution: Use Green rear tires. The softer compound wears instead of getting sticky, minimizing fuzz.

Tire Selection:
Starting out, pick 2 tire compounds for the front and rear. The following should have you covered 99% of the time.

Front - Green and Blue (BSR) or Green and Light Blue (JFT)
Rear - Blue and Double Blue (BSR) or Blue and Dark Blue (JFT)

You may wonder about other compounds out there and if they might be better, trust me, they probably won't be. Even if there are other tires that can be as fast, the synthetic family wears out really fast and the high natural rubber will probably fuzz on you over an 8 minute run. The blends family seems to be the most versatile foam type available today. They last awhile, and sticking to them will make your process of tire selection simpler.
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ESC:
As of now, ROAR is staying 1S (3.7V nominal; 4.2V fully charged) for 1/12. There are many 1S ESC's with a built in BEC so nothing else is required to power the receiver and servo.

If you don't want to lock yourself into a 1S specific ESC, you do have other options! It is possible to use your 2S ESC without a booster or receiver pack, and the ESC simply supplies the lower voltage. If that does not appeal to you, you will need to use an Rx pack or booster. The Rx pack and booster will both supply the receiver with a higher voltage than the 1S pack.

If you decide to use an Rx pack, MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THE RED WIRE FROM THE ESC PLUG THAT GOES INTO THE RECEIVER!!!

If you choose to use a voltage booster, it works exactly how it sounds. Instead of plugging the ESC into the receiver, it plugs into the booster, and the booster plug goes to the ESC, supplying the higher voltage.

1S ESC:
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Old 08-17-2012, 03:32 PM   #38146
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I was told to run 30 shore rears and 40 shore front for running on smooth concrete. I have not gotten them yet since I don't have a tire truer. That will be my next purchase. If I was hoping to have the car running before the end of the month but looking like I won't be able to.
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What's the issue, tires fuzzing or gumming up really bad? Does Sean ever clean the carpet?
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2 years old IS fresh carpet. If you can't find grip, something is wrong. I often run on something like 8-9 year old carpet.
Sean has a nice vacuum setup that roles on TC wheels

The grip is great on rubber tires
No problems running BK/YL either, it's just not as fast as when we were running Magenta

Pink or Mag runs great for about 3m in mod, then it either pushes or get's loose depending on your setup, even in stock they won't go 8m without loosing grip, & gumming up

We run JTG & SXT

WGT works fine on Spec Lilacs

The part of the tire we don't sauce will pickup about 1/4mm of gum after 8m
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Sean has a nice vacuum setup that roles on TC wheels

The grip is great on rubber tires
No problems running BK/YL either, it's just not as fast as when we were running Magenta

Pink or Mag runs great for about 3m in mod, then it either pushes or get's loose depending on your setup, even in stock they won't go 8m without loosing grip, & gumming up

We run JTG & SXT

WGT works fine on Spec Lilacs

The part of the tire we don't sauce will pickup about 1/4mm of gum after 8m
Both Jack and SXT have components that have very low volatility, and depending on how much you run on the tires/track and the stickyness of natural rubber, it can get to where you're describing. What you need to do is get rid of some of the sauce in the track without losing the rubber, maybe letting the building heat up on a hot dry day and letting it air out.

Also, just because of its chemistry, a swap to Zip Grip Free may help clean out the track.
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Both Jack and SXT have components that have very low volatility, and depending on how much you run on the tires/track and the stickyness of natural rubber, it can get to where you're describing. What you need to do is get rid of some of the sauce in the track without losing the rubber, maybe letting the building heat up on a hot dry day and letting it air out.

Also, just because of its chemistry, a swap to Zip Grip Free may help clean out the track.
Track is closed Mon-Tues
It's been 90's to 100+ all summer
No AC, so doors are open when the track is open

We are open to ideas for sure, but it seems like cleaning the carpet is a catch22, at least that's what the experts say ?
Things are better since Sean layed down the law on tire sauce a year ago, you'd be surprised at the additive some folks dream up in order to be the club hero

And of course there is always the new guy that is just ignorant about additives on carpet, even signs post everywhere in the pits won't stop that guy...
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Not sure this helps but its info nonetheless.

We only run black can Paragon on our carpet. It is 6-7 years old ozite. I know its not HD, but I couldn't tell you which iteration before that it is.

Before we held the carpet nats we had a professional carpet cleaner come in and steam clean the whole surface. Ours is glued directly to the concrete so we tested a small area first to make sure the glue would hold. The track can get dusty even though we cover it, and for the first 4-5 years it didn't even have a cover and just got vacuumed once a week. Once it was cleaned (I don't know what they used for shampoo, but I know they used some) we had much much better traction. We were always running yellows or whites in the rear on the carpet and no matter what I tried I couldn't even get pinks to work in blinky 17.5 before we cleaned it. Now that its cleaned I can run any rear I want in stock and even run mod with pink rears and magenta fronts for 8 minutes. It definitely fades in mod, but is drivable with no gumming, or fuzz. I have found that if I sauce the whole tire front and rear the tire doesn't gum, but if I leave a portion of the fronts unsauced then the unsauced portion glazes. This even happens in rubber tire sedan and vta. It is my opinion that the glaze comes from the dirt, as when we had Nats, and the off road track was not used, the carpet was covered, and we had a ton of guys running on it all day, I could sauce 1/4 fronts and not glaze. I have just found ways to make the car more drivable with front sauce and we get along fine. Glad to see lots of 12th die hards in here.
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Well you have me stumped. Sounds like it may need a good chemical cleaning.
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Sean has a nice vacuum setup that roles on TC wheels

The grip is great on rubber tires
No problems running BK/YL either, it's just not as fast as when we were running Magenta

Pink or Mag runs great for about 3m in mod, then it either pushes or get's loose depending on your setup, even in stock they won't go 8m without loosing grip, & gumming up

We run JTG & SXT

WGT works fine on Spec Lilacs

The part of the tire we don't sauce will pickup about 1/4mm of gum after 8m

Our track in Fort Collins steam cleans there carpet every 8 weeks, we never have foam tire gumming issues. If TQ placed there carpet over concrete this could be something to consider.

I have a feeling your other issue is the heat and humidity JGT and SXT don't seem to evaporate out of the carpet in high humidity environments and gets slimy in the heat. Is this issue as bad during the winter?
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Our track in Fort Collins steam cleans there carpet every 8 weeks, we never have foam tire gumming issues. If TQ placed there carpet over concrete this could be something to consider.

I have a feeling your other issue is the heat and humidity JGT and SXT don't seem to evaporate out of the carpet in high humidity environments and gets slimy in the heat. Is this issue as bad during the winter?
Track is built on a wood subfloor

Same issues in winter

Did 12th mod stayed locked in for 8m on Mag with your old rug ?
How does it compare with the new (er) stuff you have ?
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Track is built on a wood subfloor

Same issues in winter

Did 12th mod stayed locked in for 8m on Mag with your old rug ?
How does it compare with the new (er) stuff you have ?
We couldn't run Mag\Pink in any class. they would last about 3-5 min and than fuzz up so bad you'd lose steering or rear traction. Would could only use Black\Yellow or similar compounds. We tried spraying the track with FXII a few times and that was horrific for the foam cars. Any tire choice would glaze over where no compound was applied. Luckily after some vacuuming and time it went away, we only had to deal with the fuzzing.

The new carpet so far is great. No issues with Mag\Pink tires doping partial or full. We'll see how long this last.

We made a change when we installed the carpet. Last time we glued down the entire surface of the carpet to the sub-floor. This time we only carpet taped the seems so the majority of the carpet is just laying on the sub-floor allowing it to move slightly. I have to say it's much nicer than before.


If you guys can find someway to clean the carpet without using water it would probably be beneficial to the issues your having with foam tires. Hopefully we don't develop the same problem after a few years.
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Sounds like it needs a cleaning. When the rug gets full of rubber, pink family foam just pulls it up and goes off. A good cleaning, a week to get a groove back and everything is great again.
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Not sure this helps but its info nonetheless.

We only run black can Paragon on our carpet. It is 6-7 years old ozite. I know its not HD, but I couldn't tell you which iteration before that it is.

Before we held the carpet nats we had a professional carpet cleaner come in and steam clean the whole surface. Ours is glued directly to the concrete so we tested a small area first to make sure the glue would hold. The track can get dusty even though we cover it, and for the first 4-5 years it didn't even have a cover and just got vacuumed once a week. Once it was cleaned (I don't know what they used for shampoo, but I know they used some) we had much much better traction. We were always running yellows or whites in the rear on the carpet and no matter what I tried I couldn't even get pinks to work in blinky 17.5 before we cleaned it. Now that its cleaned I can run any rear I want in stock and even run mod with pink rears and magenta fronts for 8 minutes. It definitely fades in mod, but is drivable with no gumming, or fuzz. I have found that if I sauce the whole tire front and rear the tire doesn't gum, but if I leave a portion of the fronts unsauced then the unsauced portion glazes. This even happens in rubber tire sedan and vta. It is my opinion that the glaze comes from the dirt, as when we had Nats, and the off road track was not used, the carpet was covered, and we had a ton of guys running on it all day, I could sauce 1/4 fronts and not glaze. I have just found ways to make the car more drivable with front sauce and we get along fine. Glad to see lots of 12th die hards in here.
Saying Paragon works better is like pointing out how a Hot model looks better in a bikini, than a raincoat, obviously they do

Unfortunately, the smell of Paragon puts most racers off, I would love to run on the black can of dreams again though

"Sounds like it needs a cleaning. When the rug gets full of rubber, pink family foam just pulls it up and goes off. A good cleaning, a week to get a groove back and everything is great again."

No doubt, but since 12th is the only class with somewhat of an issue on our favorite tires, you can see why the owner may be somewhat skeptical about how a cleaning will effect the surface, mold issues, etc...

I asked quite a few experts at iic last year, about cleaning the carpet, most said not to do it, unless it was extremely dusty, but it isn't and BK/YLW work great, maybe if it was taped down on concrete that would be an option ?

Our surface is pool table smooth though
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Not sure this helps but its info nonetheless.

We only run black can Paragon on our carpet. It is 6-7 years old ozite. I know its not HD, but I couldn't tell you which iteration before that it is.

Before we held the carpet nats we had a professional carpet cleaner come in and steam clean the whole surface. Ours is glued directly to the concrete so we tested a small area first to make sure the glue would hold. The track can get dusty even though we cover it, and for the first 4-5 years it didn't even have a cover and just got vacuumed once a week. Once it was cleaned (I don't know what they used for shampoo, but I know they used some) we had much much better traction. We were always running yellows or whites in the rear on the carpet and no matter what I tried I couldn't even get pinks to work in blinky 17.5 before we cleaned it. Now that its cleaned I can run any rear I want in stock and even run mod with pink rears and magenta fronts for 8 minutes. It definitely fades in mod, but is drivable with no gumming, or fuzz. I have found that if I sauce the whole tire front and rear the tire doesn't gum, but if I leave a portion of the fronts unsauced then the unsauced portion glazes. This even happens in rubber tire sedan and vta. It is my opinion that the glaze comes from the dirt, as when we had Nats, and the off road track was not used, the carpet was covered, and we had a ton of guys running on it all day, I could sauce 1/4 fronts and not glaze. I have just found ways to make the car more drivable with front sauce and we get along fine. Glad to see lots of 12th die hards in here.

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No it doesn't. We had the exact same problem, only worse and ran Paragon. Cleaned it, switched to SXT and the track got pretty darn good again. Not quite fresh rug good but close.
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No it doesn't. We had the exact same problem, only worse and ran Paragon. Cleaned it, switched to SXT and the track got pretty darn good again. Not quite fresh rug good but close.
That is odd, I've never seen a track that wasn't locked down on the Black Can only
If there was a mix of other compounds on there, then of course it will be an oily mess

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Can you run with out saucing the tires? I don't really like saucing
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