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Pre-mounted tires readily available in the US:
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The following information came from HERE, with some editing and information added. Thanks Christian!

THIS MAY NEED UPDATING FOR THE NEW BLACK CRC CARPET

Brands:
BSR, CRC, Jaco:
Pro One is no longer selling to the public, but it and the brands above are all mounted by BSR and use the same foam. The nomenclature of the BSR vs Jaco/CRC is a little different in a few instances but is otherwise the same. The BSR foam consists of three families, and can be identifed as synthetics, naturals, and blends.

Synthetics - The old school, light weight, easy to true "dry feeling" tires. These include tires like CRC/Jaco Yellow (BSR White), Black, Gray, etc. These tires offer the highest wear rate and lowest grip. Many racers continue to use these nder high bite conditions.

Naturals - These tires are usually the best alternative for low bite and asphalt. They include Pink, Magenta, Double Pink, Lilac (BSR Team Purple), Purple, and other tires. These tires provide a ton of grip, but tend to get sticky in high bite conditions. This rubber does not wear as easily, and the cars will pick up gunk and fibers from the carpet under most high bite conditions. This is especially bad if the humidity is high.

Blends - These are the tires most people run today. They were initially called "JFT foam" by some, as it was believed that the tires were the same as the JFT tires. We can divide the blends further into two groups: high rubber and low rubber content. The high rubber would be the new rear Orange and Red from the BSR family, and the low rubber would be the Green and Blue varieties. When, asked about the difference, John Foister from BSR Tires said they came from the same "family" of foam, but they offered different grip. According to John, the Green/Blue has more bite than Orange/Red, but from track testing Oranges offer more bite than Green (being equivalent to in hardness) when the grip is high and absolutely no grip when it is lower. The Orange foam has a denser pore structure and the tire is not as prone to chunking. It is also important to note is that BSR Blue rears are not the same as the BSR Blue fronts!

JFT:
JFT stands for Japan Foam Tire. They started the new wave of foam tires we are all using now (Blue/Blu, Green/Greene, Dbl Blue, etc). These tires are a little different than the BSR tire family, but work in very similar conditions. They offers four varieties A (asphalt), C (carpet), S (???), and R (???). This does not mean that those types only work on that surface, but this is what they recommend.

JFT uses the same foam for fronts and rears if the color is the same.

A: Used on asphalt, considered close to the natural rubber variety and are named consistently with other natural tires.
C: Used on carpet, considered a blend.
S: Used on carpet?, tires are ???
R: Used on carpet?, tires are ???

For setup, the JFT foam seem to generate more bite than the BSR, therefore the car tends to be a little more aggressive.

Ulti:
Ulti is another Japanese brand that offers an array of compounds. They have their own way of rating tires, and are difficult to equate to other brands. They have 4 different varieties, each in varying degrees of hardness.

J: High rubber content tire, similar to Pink/ Magenta. Soft would be close to a pink. These offer the most bite and are great for asphalt/carpet front tire. (J hard being very popular)
X: "Balanced" blend, similar to JFT Blue/ Green. Soft is equivalent to Green, medium to Blue in hardness. Great for carpet!
Y: High synthetic blend with lower grip, and is not a very popular variety.
Z: A very expensive "special" foam that is supposed to be magic on asphalt. Only make it in soft shore.
European tires:
There are many great European foam tire brands that use their own types of foam, as well as traditional foams. SOmeone with more knowledge about them will need to fill this in!

Tire Diameter:
If you are racing on carpet, you have to evaluate how much grip your track has. If your track is low to medium grip, you can run bigger tires. If you are on higher bite you have to cut them smaller, there is simply no way around it. Bigger tires are needed for asphalt, especially in the rear. The larger tires provide much needed lateral bite.

Carpet (mm):
Low - Medium Bite
Front: 42.0 - 42.5
Rear: 42.5 - 43.00
Medium - High Bite
Front: 40.5 - 41.0
Rear: 41.5 - 42.0
Big Race
Front: 39.5 - 40.0
Rear: 40.5 - 41.0
Asphalt (mm):
Parking Lot
Front: 43.0 - 44.0
Rear: 44.0 - 45.0
Prepped High Bite
Front: 42.0 - 43.0
Rear: 43.0 - 44.0

Tire Saucing:
Most facilities have moved towards odorless traction additives such as SXT. Some of additives evaporate very quickly and some do not. This seems to be something that is also dependent on tire compound and ambient temperature. For example, saucing a Green compound seems like it never dries, especially when tjhe temperature is lower. We have found that wiping the tires off 15 minutes before we go run allows the sauce to cure, which makes the car come in much quicker with Green rears. Blue compounds on the other hand, do fine when wiped off right before hitting the track.

Saucing half front and full rear is a good initial starting point. If the front of the car is too agressive you can sauce les than half, or for a shorter amount of time.
Tire Fuzzing:
In conditions of increasing grip, foam tires will somewtimes get sticky and pick up fuzz and debris from the track. This is highly dependent on the rubber sedan tire that is being run at your local track and the compound/ type of foam you are running on you car. The softer the sedan tire and the harder/higher rubber content in your foam tire, trouble with fuzzing seems more likely to occur.

There are ways to get around fuzzing under most conditions, and usually involves the selection of the correct foam compound. The more fuzz you get, the softer/lower rubber content you want to run.

Examples:
Problem: Car fuzzes with Lilac/Team Purple fronts and car starts pushing.
Solution: Use a softer front tire and or different family of foam. Replace it with Blue or Double Blue front.

Problem: Car loses rear bite 6 minutes into the run. Blue rear tires look almost clean but have small carpet hairs.
Solution: Use Green rear tires. The softer compound wears instead of getting sticky, minimizing fuzz.

Tire Selection:
Starting out, pick 2 tire compounds for the front and rear. The following should have you covered 99% of the time.

Front - Green and Blue (BSR) or Green and Light Blue (JFT)
Rear - Blue and Double Blue (BSR) or Blue and Dark Blue (JFT)

You may wonder about other compounds out there and if they might be better, trust me, they probably won't be. Even if there are other tires that can be as fast, the synthetic family wears out really fast and the high natural rubber will probably fuzz on you over an 8 minute run. The blends family seems to be the most versatile foam type available today. They last awhile, and sticking to them will make your process of tire selection simpler.
Tire Charts:
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ELECTRONICS:
ESC:
As of now, ROAR is staying 1S (3.7V nominal; 4.2V fully charged) for 1/12. There are many 1S ESC's with a built in BEC so nothing else is required to power the receiver and servo.

If you don't want to lock yourself into a 1S specific ESC, you do have other options! It is possible to use your 2S ESC without a booster or receiver pack, and the ESC simply supplies the lower voltage. If that does not appeal to you, you will need to use an Rx pack or booster. The Rx pack and booster will both supply the receiver with a higher voltage than the 1S pack.

If you decide to use an Rx pack, MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THE RED WIRE FROM THE ESC PLUG THAT GOES INTO THE RECEIVER!!!

If you choose to use a voltage booster, it works exactly how it sounds. Instead of plugging the ESC into the receiver, it plugs into the booster, and the booster plug goes to the ESC, supplying the higher voltage.

1S ESC:
If there are any missing please add them!!

If anyone would like a need for a chart comparing the ESC's specs PM fenton06 and I'll get one made and put in here!
Voltage Boosters:
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Servos:
BODIES:
Black Art (CRC - US Dist):
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  • Black Market (Mohawk 12) - BA005 - .020



  • Lola B10 - BA006 - .020 thick
  • Toyota TS030 - BA008 - .020 thick

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Old 02-11-2012, 11:19 AM   #37711
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I have been reading a lot on these Mobgum tires but also a lot on how they are Jaco's (which I currently use) if this is the case I will stick w/ Jaco's if not who sells Mobgum in the states anyone?

I use to use TRC's for rubber capped oval racing over a decade ago. Anyone using TRC foams for 1/12 - like, dislike?
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I use to use TRC's for rubber capped oval racing over a decade ago. Anyone using TRC foams for 1/12 - like, dislike?
I recently ran TRC foams at my track, they performed well and were very consistent but all I managed to test were their natural rubber compounds, and I would up switching back to synthetics as the grip came up, which meant going back to my big bag of Jaco and CRC tires. When the time comes that I need a new set, I will more than consider TRC.
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Old 02-17-2012, 04:41 PM   #37713
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Looking for a set up sheet like the ones on CRC site but I'm not able to edit it and print. If there is anyone one that has one or has a link to one that they can post I'd really appreciate it.

Thank you.
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Looking for a set up sheet like the ones on CRC site but I'm not able to edit it and print. If there is anyone one that has one or has a link to one that they can post I'd really appreciate it.

Thank you.
Here is a great site with what you need

Also editable sheets for you to setup your car

Look for 12th CRC

http://www.petitrc.com/reglages/SetupSheetDataBase.htm
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Old 02-18-2012, 08:46 PM   #37715
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What is a good motor for 17.5 no-boost on a high grip medium/large size carpet?
I would be willing to sacrifice a pinch of low end for some rpm/speed.

Would like to get something "out of the box" ready and not go rotor shopping...
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What is a good motor for 17.5 no-boost on a high grip medium/large size carpet?
I would be willing to sacrifice a pinch of low end for some rpm/speed.

Would like to get something "out of the box" ready and not go rotor shopping...
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A lot of people are going that route but mine's a pig. Give me an LRP or a RevTech.
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I don't see the lrp available with the new 1s rotor.
I can't afford to spend that much for a motor to not
use the rotor it comes with.

Also see the tp. motors have some tuning rotors but look like they only come with the red rotor?
Guess I am a bit confused on the newer "stock spec" type motors.
I understand they are optimized for blinky but I would assume that you would want a different rotor for 1s vs. 2s.

I have a speedpassion v3 (high timing board) and a Novak ballistic (epoxy dipped) 17.5 now. Any options on rotors for these cans that I may be overlooking?
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While I do like the 1s rotor in the LRPs, the stock rotor is just as good, maybe even better for blinky.
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Yes there are different rotors for that motor.
Smaller diameter for more RPM and thicker for more torque.
It all depends on what you want.

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Update on the new wheels from Exceed, and Enetti.

Now that I have had a chance to test both brands, synthetic compounds.
This is based on my experience at our 90x45 carpet track.

The new Exceed wheels are still poor quality, and out of round, white, or carbon black, both are the same, them have made some small improvements over the lightweight wheels from the past, but are still less than acceptable.



The new Enetti wheels are awesome !
The wear is slightly less than Jaco, but also with a bit less grip, now I see why they offer a yellow front compound
At a big race, with a lot of grip, this wheel could be the bees knees...



Up next, the new G12 tires that Paul L. used to win 12th mod at Snowbirds
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The new C4 CEFX tires that Pete.R won 17.5 blinky with at Snowbirds.
I will only test the front C4's at this time, as the rears require $$ for left and right wheel hubs.
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What is a good motor/ESC combo for a 1/12 pan? I am looking to buy either a 12R5.1 or possibly last years Xray XII. I believe the track we are going to run on will do either 13.5 or 17.5 but i am leaning towards 17.5. What do you guys think?
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What is a good motor/ESC combo for a 1/12 pan? I am looking to buy either a 12R5.1 or possibly last years Xray XII. I believe the track we are going to run on will do either 13.5 or 17.5 but i am leaning towards 17.5. What do you guys think?
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Update on the new wheels from Exceed, and Enetti.

Now that I have had a chance to test both brands, synthetic compounds.
This is based on my experience at our 90x45 carpet track.

The new Exceed wheels are still poor quality, and out of round, white, or carbon black, both are the same, them have made some small improvements over the lightweight wheels from the past, but are still less than acceptable.



The new Enetti wheels are awesome !
The wear is slightly less than Jaco, but also with a bit less grip, now I see why they offer a yellow front compound
At a big race, with a lot of grip, this wheel could be the bees knees...



Up next, the new G12 tires that Paul L. used to win 12th mod at Snowbirds
&
The new C4 CEFX tires that Pete.R won 17.5 blinky with at Snowbirds.
I will only test the front C4's at this time, as the rears require $$ for left and right wheel hubs.
I will be trying the Enetti's on Wednesday, going from a known good Jaco setup to these it will be fun to see how they are different. I will share what I think on Thursday.

I also have front and rear Z4's from CEFX on the way and will be running those for a few club races. I like the look of the rear hub, if anything.

Best part of this hobby is also the awesome stuff to try. I still gotta get that Sckee body painted up to see how it fairs in 13.5 1/12
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I will be trying the Enetti's on Wednesday, going from a known good Jaco setup to these it will be fun to see how they are different. I will share what I think on Thursday.

I also have front and rear Z4's from CEFX on the way and will be running those for a few club races. I like the look of the rear hub, if anything.

Best part of this hobby is also the awesome stuff to try. I still gotta get that Sckee body painted up to see how it fairs in 13.5 1/12
The new Z4 wheels and hubs look killer, and probably are the best thing going.
Josh doesn't mess around.

It is fun to test new stuff
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