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TIRES:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the US:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the Europe:
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Gluing your own donuts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7z1rz-74s - Special thanks to Edward Pickering!
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The following information came from HERE, with some editing and information added. Thanks Christian!

THIS MAY NEED UPDATING FOR THE NEW BLACK CRC CARPET

Brands:
BSR, CRC, Jaco:
Pro One is no longer selling to the public, but it and the brands above are all mounted by BSR and use the same foam. The nomenclature of the BSR vs Jaco/CRC is a little different in a few instances but is otherwise the same. The BSR foam consists of three families, and can be identifed as synthetics, naturals, and blends.

Synthetics - The old school, light weight, easy to true "dry feeling" tires. These include tires like CRC/Jaco Yellow (BSR White), Black, Gray, etc. These tires offer the highest wear rate and lowest grip. Many racers continue to use these nder high bite conditions.

Naturals - These tires are usually the best alternative for low bite and asphalt. They include Pink, Magenta, Double Pink, Lilac (BSR Team Purple), Purple, and other tires. These tires provide a ton of grip, but tend to get sticky in high bite conditions. This rubber does not wear as easily, and the cars will pick up gunk and fibers from the carpet under most high bite conditions. This is especially bad if the humidity is high.

Blends - These are the tires most people run today. They were initially called "JFT foam" by some, as it was believed that the tires were the same as the JFT tires. We can divide the blends further into two groups: high rubber and low rubber content. The high rubber would be the new rear Orange and Red from the BSR family, and the low rubber would be the Green and Blue varieties. When, asked about the difference, John Foister from BSR Tires said they came from the same "family" of foam, but they offered different grip. According to John, the Green/Blue has more bite than Orange/Red, but from track testing Oranges offer more bite than Green (being equivalent to in hardness) when the grip is high and absolutely no grip when it is lower. The Orange foam has a denser pore structure and the tire is not as prone to chunking. It is also important to note is that BSR Blue rears are not the same as the BSR Blue fronts!

JFT:
JFT stands for Japan Foam Tire. They started the new wave of foam tires we are all using now (Blue/Blu, Green/Greene, Dbl Blue, etc). These tires are a little different than the BSR tire family, but work in very similar conditions. They offers four varieties A (asphalt), C (carpet), S (???), and R (???). This does not mean that those types only work on that surface, but this is what they recommend.

JFT uses the same foam for fronts and rears if the color is the same.

A: Used on asphalt, considered close to the natural rubber variety and are named consistently with other natural tires.
C: Used on carpet, considered a blend.
S: Used on carpet?, tires are ???
R: Used on carpet?, tires are ???

For setup, the JFT foam seem to generate more bite than the BSR, therefore the car tends to be a little more aggressive.

Ulti:
Ulti is another Japanese brand that offers an array of compounds. They have their own way of rating tires, and are difficult to equate to other brands. They have 4 different varieties, each in varying degrees of hardness.

J: High rubber content tire, similar to Pink/ Magenta. Soft would be close to a pink. These offer the most bite and are great for asphalt/carpet front tire. (J hard being very popular)
X: "Balanced" blend, similar to JFT Blue/ Green. Soft is equivalent to Green, medium to Blue in hardness. Great for carpet!
Y: High synthetic blend with lower grip, and is not a very popular variety.
Z: A very expensive "special" foam that is supposed to be magic on asphalt. Only make it in soft shore.
European tires:
There are many great European foam tire brands that use their own types of foam, as well as traditional foams. SOmeone with more knowledge about them will need to fill this in!

Tire Diameter:
If you are racing on carpet, you have to evaluate how much grip your track has. If your track is low to medium grip, you can run bigger tires. If you are on higher bite you have to cut them smaller, there is simply no way around it. Bigger tires are needed for asphalt, especially in the rear. The larger tires provide much needed lateral bite.

Carpet (mm):
Low - Medium Bite
Front: 42.0 - 42.5
Rear: 42.5 - 43.00
Medium - High Bite
Front: 40.5 - 41.0
Rear: 41.5 - 42.0
Big Race
Front: 39.5 - 40.0
Rear: 40.5 - 41.0
Asphalt (mm):
Parking Lot
Front: 43.0 - 44.0
Rear: 44.0 - 45.0
Prepped High Bite
Front: 42.0 - 43.0
Rear: 43.0 - 44.0

Tire Saucing:
Most facilities have moved towards odorless traction additives such as SXT. Some of additives evaporate very quickly and some do not. This seems to be something that is also dependent on tire compound and ambient temperature. For example, saucing a Green compound seems like it never dries, especially when tjhe temperature is lower. We have found that wiping the tires off 15 minutes before we go run allows the sauce to cure, which makes the car come in much quicker with Green rears. Blue compounds on the other hand, do fine when wiped off right before hitting the track.

Saucing half front and full rear is a good initial starting point. If the front of the car is too agressive you can sauce les than half, or for a shorter amount of time.
Tire Fuzzing:
In conditions of increasing grip, foam tires will somewtimes get sticky and pick up fuzz and debris from the track. This is highly dependent on the rubber sedan tire that is being run at your local track and the compound/ type of foam you are running on you car. The softer the sedan tire and the harder/higher rubber content in your foam tire, trouble with fuzzing seems more likely to occur.

There are ways to get around fuzzing under most conditions, and usually involves the selection of the correct foam compound. The more fuzz you get, the softer/lower rubber content you want to run.

Examples:
Problem: Car fuzzes with Lilac/Team Purple fronts and car starts pushing.
Solution: Use a softer front tire and or different family of foam. Replace it with Blue or Double Blue front.

Problem: Car loses rear bite 6 minutes into the run. Blue rear tires look almost clean but have small carpet hairs.
Solution: Use Green rear tires. The softer compound wears instead of getting sticky, minimizing fuzz.

Tire Selection:
Starting out, pick 2 tire compounds for the front and rear. The following should have you covered 99% of the time.

Front - Green and Blue (BSR) or Green and Light Blue (JFT)
Rear - Blue and Double Blue (BSR) or Blue and Dark Blue (JFT)

You may wonder about other compounds out there and if they might be better, trust me, they probably won't be. Even if there are other tires that can be as fast, the synthetic family wears out really fast and the high natural rubber will probably fuzz on you over an 8 minute run. The blends family seems to be the most versatile foam type available today. They last awhile, and sticking to them will make your process of tire selection simpler.
Tire Charts:
BSR/CRC/Jaco



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ELECTRONICS:
ESC:
As of now, ROAR is staying 1S (3.7V nominal; 4.2V fully charged) for 1/12. There are many 1S ESC's with a built in BEC so nothing else is required to power the receiver and servo.

If you don't want to lock yourself into a 1S specific ESC, you do have other options! It is possible to use your 2S ESC without a booster or receiver pack, and the ESC simply supplies the lower voltage. If that does not appeal to you, you will need to use an Rx pack or booster. The Rx pack and booster will both supply the receiver with a higher voltage than the 1S pack.

If you decide to use an Rx pack, MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THE RED WIRE FROM THE ESC PLUG THAT GOES INTO THE RECEIVER!!!

If you choose to use a voltage booster, it works exactly how it sounds. Instead of plugging the ESC into the receiver, it plugs into the booster, and the booster plug goes to the ESC, supplying the higher voltage.

1S ESC:
If there are any missing please add them!!

If anyone would like a need for a chart comparing the ESC's specs PM fenton06 and I'll get one made and put in here!
Voltage Boosters:
If there are any missing please add them!
Servos:
BODIES:
Black Art (CRC - US Dist):
  • Audi R8C - BA002 - .020 Thick



  • Black Market (Mohawk 12) - BA005 - .020



  • Lola B10 - BA006 - .020 thick
  • Toyota TS030 - BA008 - .020 thick

    Lola - black/red, TS030 - green/pink


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Old 11-22-2011, 11:39 PM   #37066
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Less setup variables than TC but still chassis set up is very crucial
The simplicity of the chassis makes it look less...but it is really close...setup is not only crucial but more crucial...TC has more fudge room in setup than pan cars do.
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I love the new tech

not sure how long my 4.5T will last in 12th but it doesn't even get hot or even warm really. Speedo gets a tiny bit warm

Actually I hit someone parking on the straight pretty hard and body looks fine ...lol

And I used the same battery all night and no tape off at the end

Now my car is very far from dialed but just saying it is great to spend less money

Maybe boosted in the other thread is better according to many people that have posted. Initially logically you'd think Blinky would have better intentions but those who have a lot of recent experience say it is more costly to race blinky competitively I dunno but yea I like the new tech and these new inline cars are bitchen

Tires seem to be about the same as 7 years ago but maybe with bigger rims now I dunno

I hope my LRP Stock/Spec endures with the rest of the modern equipment
Kelly, I still think it was the corner marshalls Gaterade bottle you punted for a new world record down the back straight! That was not cool that he had set that bottle on the track, but it was funny as hell, sorry. I was going through the infield when that happend and I saw the bottle flying about 30 feet and I almost wrecked myself watching it. As per the race I think you will be right back into it in no time. I was having issues myself, broke s few things and not having enough time to fix it running three classes. Anyways see you next time! J
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Speak for yourself I would love to go to 13.5 boosted in 1/12, I think the rest of the guys would increase Big D's parts sales exponentially though
P.S. Who has the fastest lap this year?
Yes, by about seven hundredths of a second. But who was on the top podium position? Eh?

Missed you last week, the pace was slower and I finished at only 46 laps. However, Timmy is really improving and now that I taped his battery in his car handles better too.
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The simplicity of the chassis makes it look less...but it is really close...setup is not only crucial but more crucial...TC has more fudge room in setup than pan cars do.
That was my point I think I was trying to make also

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Kelly, I still think it was the corner marshalls Gaterade bottle you punted for a new world record down the back straight! That was not cool that he had set that bottle on the track, but it was funny as hell, sorry. I was going through the infield when that happend and I saw the bottle flying about 30 feet and I almost wrecked myself watching it. As per the race I think you will be right back into it in no time. I was having issues myself, broke s few things and not having enough time to fix it running three classes. Anyways see you next time! J
Well gatorade bottles don't bend TOP axles so I know it was someone else who hit the bottle plus Steve asked me if in hitting his car did I break cause I pulled over one lap after that incident. I will try to hit the gatorade bottle next time as to not cause so much damage to my car

Thanks for the positivity as I need it while I'm experimenting with what setup is going to work for me. I've got an extra set of tires to also test Dbl pink/pink so that will help me too. I fixed the slop in the top shock and widened the rear end as it was quite narrow. These link cars are a little different than the 4-cell based cars as are they much lighter now

Because transportation doesn't run late on wednsdays I will ask around if anyone is passing through Oakland to share a ride. I got gas money and am one block from the freeway so it will hardly be out of someone's way if they are passing through downtown oakland

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I bought the usb to update my LRP SXX V2 now . I should have bought the Tekin a couple of years ago, but too late for that now. I chose the LRP so I wouldn't have to add the external boost or battery. I run the races , so I don't have any spare time to prepare cars. I'm lucky to throw them down and race and hope things stay togethere. I guess a couple of seasons out of electric racing and I've turned bitter about the cost. Don't condemn me for saying , but gas is where it's at. I love the way the pan cars handle , and with good speed , they are great fun to race. I will try to pick up the right equipment so I don't have to repeat this next year and me and my empty pockets will cowboy up and race. Sorry about the sour attitude, I'll get over it as soon as the flag drops on the next race.
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I bought the usb to update my LRP SXX V2 now . I should have bought the Tekin a couple of years ago, but too late for that now. I chose the LRP so I wouldn't have to add the external boost or battery. I run the races , so I don't have any spare time to prepare cars. I'm lucky to throw them down and race and hope things stay togethere. I guess a couple of seasons out of electric racing and I've turned bitter about the cost. Don't condemn me for saying , but gas is where it's at. I love the way the pan cars handle , and with good speed , they are great fun to race. I will try to pick up the right equipment so I don't have to repeat this next year and me and my empty pockets will cowboy up and race. Sorry about the sour attitude, I'll get over it as soon as the flag drops on the next race.
After racing gas on-road for 10 years and getting into electric this year, Im surprised at your point of view.

I am having the exact opposite experience. It cost me substantially more to stay at the front of the pack with the gas cars.
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I've always thought 8th scale cars were cool, never had the budget to go down that road. 10th scale nitro really don't look as fun.

What I love about 12th is that it has been the quickest on-road car since electric started, and the least expensive/time consuming to race.
We have 8 mins races, super low maintenance, etc, etc.

Don't understand why more "Racers" haven't jumped on the 12th bandwagon yet, especially for indoor racing
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I've always thought 8th scale cars were cool, never had the budget to go down that road. 10th scale nitro really don't look as fun.

What I love about 12th is that it has been the quickest on-road car since electric started, and the least expensive/time consuming to race.
We have 8 mins races, super low maintenance, etc, etc.

Don't understand why more "Racers" haven't jumped on the 12th bandwagon yet, especially for indoor racing
I know exactly why more racers aren't coming aboard, the cars look intimidating and are very fast. At my track all of the guys with nothing to do come over and scope out the 1/12 scale heats, then walk away shaking their heads.
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I know exactly why more racers aren't coming aboard, the cars look intimidating and are very fast. At my track all of the guys with nothing to do come over and scope out the 1/12 scale heats, then walk away shaking their heads.
Yeah, I here you.

Too bad they don't give it a try, maybe there are thinking it's harder to drive than a sedan or something. They just don't realize how easy it is to have that much effortless corner speed.
Takes the mind a bit to adjust, but the cars roll around with so much less wasted energy.
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I know exactly why more racers aren't coming aboard, the cars look intimidating and are very fast. At my track all of the guys with nothing to do come over and scope out the 1/12 scale heats, then walk away shaking their heads.
Some slightly red neck guy at my track was watching 12th mod and said laughing these are RC cars on speed

I said no that's normal it's just the other cars are on valium
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Yeah, I here you.

Too bad they don't give it a try, maybe there are thinking it's harder to drive than a sedan or something. They just don't realize how easy it is to have that much effortless corner speed.
Takes the mind a bit to adjust, but the cars roll around with so much less wasted energy.
Oh I give people goes with my car all of the time, especially if its a blinky night and boost doesn't make it to 45mph on the back straight, and they all say its fun. Used cars are what get people into it, one very good offroad racer is getting it going on the carpet as well due to buying a well set-up car secondhand with a battery and servo. He just slapped his extra Tekin into it and was running on a set of tires I gave him for a few weeks, but now he has the sickness and is getting faster. I even impressed a head-honcho at this track who had no love for carpet racing by letting him take my car for a few laps.
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Well gatorade bottles don't bend TOP axles so I know it was someone else who hit the bottle plus Steve asked me if in hitting his car did I break cause I pulled over one lap after that incident. I will try to hit the gatorade bottle next time as to not cause so much damage to my car

Thanks for the positivity as I need it while I'm experimenting with what setup is going to work for me. I've got an extra set of tires to also test Dbl pink/pink so that will help me too. I fixed the slop in the top shock and widened the rear end as it was quite narrow. These link cars are a little different than the 4-cell based cars as are they much lighter now

Because transportation doesn't run late on wednsdays I will ask around if anyone is passing through Oakland to share a ride. I got gas money and am one block from the freeway so it will hardly be out of someone's way if they are passing through downtown oakland

See you in the 12th mod heat

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Oh, I thought for sure that was you that hit the Gaterade bottle. I remember you kept saying I hit somthing hard down the straight and thats all I remember seeing. I will never forget that, I was almost crying, laughing when I saw that. As to your Top shock problem, I had the same thing happen. I even read an article about shimming the dampner behind a e-clip. Tried it and it didn't work. I decided to scrap it and I did some custom stuff and put an associated shock in. No more weird shock gap! I am curious to see how that is going to help my handling. Cookies were made with crack!
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Oh, I thought for sure that was you that hit the Gaterade bottle. I remember you kept saying I hit somthing hard down the straight and thats all I remember seeing. I will never forget that, I was almost crying, laughing when I saw that. As to your Top shock problem, I had the same thing happen. I even read an article about shimming the dampner behind a e-clip. Tried it and it didn't work. I decided to scrap it and I did some custom stuff and put an associated shock in. No more weird shock gap! I am curious to see how that is going to help my handling. Cookies were made with crack!
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No wonder they we're so popular ...lol

I'm not sure how much a little top shock piston slop would affect a totally dialed car but I took the thinnest castor shim and choped off the part that latches onto the caster rod then I sanded it til it was super thin then popped it onto the shock shaft and the placed the piston on and then the e-clip and no more play. I'm not going to spend 5 dollars on some exotic thin very small washer

I've basically rebuilt the whole car and it's ready for another go at it

I'm even going to try the wide ft end and with Dbl pink/pink going to find the right springs for my style for ft, rear and top

My droop in back seems ok not sure what droop to put in ft nor how to do it with such stiff springs but I think it's less crucial in ft than in rear cause of weight. Also not sure what weight I want to try in top shock but other than that not sure what else to be in consideration of besides what RBF said with black ft and yellow rear

Can't wait to pay off my speedo next week because I can buy a charger

I think I'll get this kind of charger

http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...rce=google_ext
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I've always thought 8th scale cars were cool, never had the budget to go down that road. 10th scale nitro really don't look as fun.

What I love about 12th is that it has been the quickest on-road car since electric started, and the least expensive/time consuming to race.
We have 8 mins races, super low maintenance, etc, etc.

Don't understand why more "Racers" haven't jumped on the 12th bandwagon yet, especially for indoor racing
You are absolutely right, its my first time to race 12th scale and I've been racing 10th scale touring forever but when I tried 12th scale its actually easier to drive. I don't race tc anymore maybe next year.
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You are absolutely right, its my first time to race 12th scale and I've been racing 10th scale touring forever but when I tried 12th scale its actually easier to drive. I don't race tc anymore maybe next year.
Especially if it was rubber tire TC, that can be a handful. If your going all-out at down the back straight rubber tires wont get you turned or stopped if your not in the grove. Just ask my rear hub carrier.
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