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TIRES:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the US:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the Europe:
  • Hot Race ??

Gluing your own donuts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7z1rz-74s - Special thanks to Edward Pickering!
Truing tires:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wqHOLWq6Uc - Special thanks to Edward Pickering!

The following information came from HERE, with some editing and information added. Thanks Christian!

THIS MAY NEED UPDATING FOR THE NEW BLACK CRC CARPET

Brands:
BSR, CRC, Jaco:
Pro One is no longer selling to the public, but it and the brands above are all mounted by BSR and use the same foam. The nomenclature of the BSR vs Jaco/CRC is a little different in a few instances but is otherwise the same. The BSR foam consists of three families, and can be identifed as synthetics, naturals, and blends.

Synthetics - The old school, light weight, easy to true "dry feeling" tires. These include tires like CRC/Jaco Yellow (BSR White), Black, Gray, etc. These tires offer the highest wear rate and lowest grip. Many racers continue to use these nder high bite conditions.

Naturals - These tires are usually the best alternative for low bite and asphalt. They include Pink, Magenta, Double Pink, Lilac (BSR Team Purple), Purple, and other tires. These tires provide a ton of grip, but tend to get sticky in high bite conditions. This rubber does not wear as easily, and the cars will pick up gunk and fibers from the carpet under most high bite conditions. This is especially bad if the humidity is high.

Blends - These are the tires most people run today. They were initially called "JFT foam" by some, as it was believed that the tires were the same as the JFT tires. We can divide the blends further into two groups: high rubber and low rubber content. The high rubber would be the new rear Orange and Red from the BSR family, and the low rubber would be the Green and Blue varieties. When, asked about the difference, John Foister from BSR Tires said they came from the same "family" of foam, but they offered different grip. According to John, the Green/Blue has more bite than Orange/Red, but from track testing Oranges offer more bite than Green (being equivalent to in hardness) when the grip is high and absolutely no grip when it is lower. The Orange foam has a denser pore structure and the tire is not as prone to chunking. It is also important to note is that BSR Blue rears are not the same as the BSR Blue fronts!

JFT:
JFT stands for Japan Foam Tire. They started the new wave of foam tires we are all using now (Blue/Blu, Green/Greene, Dbl Blue, etc). These tires are a little different than the BSR tire family, but work in very similar conditions. They offers four varieties A (asphalt), C (carpet), S (???), and R (???). This does not mean that those types only work on that surface, but this is what they recommend.

JFT uses the same foam for fronts and rears if the color is the same.

A: Used on asphalt, considered close to the natural rubber variety and are named consistently with other natural tires.
C: Used on carpet, considered a blend.
S: Used on carpet?, tires are ???
R: Used on carpet?, tires are ???

For setup, the JFT foam seem to generate more bite than the BSR, therefore the car tends to be a little more aggressive.

Ulti:
Ulti is another Japanese brand that offers an array of compounds. They have their own way of rating tires, and are difficult to equate to other brands. They have 4 different varieties, each in varying degrees of hardness.

J: High rubber content tire, similar to Pink/ Magenta. Soft would be close to a pink. These offer the most bite and are great for asphalt/carpet front tire. (J hard being very popular)
X: "Balanced" blend, similar to JFT Blue/ Green. Soft is equivalent to Green, medium to Blue in hardness. Great for carpet!
Y: High synthetic blend with lower grip, and is not a very popular variety.
Z: A very expensive "special" foam that is supposed to be magic on asphalt. Only make it in soft shore.
European tires:
There are many great European foam tire brands that use their own types of foam, as well as traditional foams. SOmeone with more knowledge about them will need to fill this in!

Tire Diameter:
If you are racing on carpet, you have to evaluate how much grip your track has. If your track is low to medium grip, you can run bigger tires. If you are on higher bite you have to cut them smaller, there is simply no way around it. Bigger tires are needed for asphalt, especially in the rear. The larger tires provide much needed lateral bite.

Carpet (mm):
Low - Medium Bite
Front: 42.0 - 42.5
Rear: 42.5 - 43.00
Medium - High Bite
Front: 40.5 - 41.0
Rear: 41.5 - 42.0
Big Race
Front: 39.5 - 40.0
Rear: 40.5 - 41.0
Asphalt (mm):
Parking Lot
Front: 43.0 - 44.0
Rear: 44.0 - 45.0
Prepped High Bite
Front: 42.0 - 43.0
Rear: 43.0 - 44.0

Tire Saucing:
Most facilities have moved towards odorless traction additives such as SXT. Some of additives evaporate very quickly and some do not. This seems to be something that is also dependent on tire compound and ambient temperature. For example, saucing a Green compound seems like it never dries, especially when tjhe temperature is lower. We have found that wiping the tires off 15 minutes before we go run allows the sauce to cure, which makes the car come in much quicker with Green rears. Blue compounds on the other hand, do fine when wiped off right before hitting the track.

Saucing half front and full rear is a good initial starting point. If the front of the car is too agressive you can sauce les than half, or for a shorter amount of time.
Tire Fuzzing:
In conditions of increasing grip, foam tires will somewtimes get sticky and pick up fuzz and debris from the track. This is highly dependent on the rubber sedan tire that is being run at your local track and the compound/ type of foam you are running on you car. The softer the sedan tire and the harder/higher rubber content in your foam tire, trouble with fuzzing seems more likely to occur.

There are ways to get around fuzzing under most conditions, and usually involves the selection of the correct foam compound. The more fuzz you get, the softer/lower rubber content you want to run.

Examples:
Problem: Car fuzzes with Lilac/Team Purple fronts and car starts pushing.
Solution: Use a softer front tire and or different family of foam. Replace it with Blue or Double Blue front.

Problem: Car loses rear bite 6 minutes into the run. Blue rear tires look almost clean but have small carpet hairs.
Solution: Use Green rear tires. The softer compound wears instead of getting sticky, minimizing fuzz.

Tire Selection:
Starting out, pick 2 tire compounds for the front and rear. The following should have you covered 99% of the time.

Front - Green and Blue (BSR) or Green and Light Blue (JFT)
Rear - Blue and Double Blue (BSR) or Blue and Dark Blue (JFT)

You may wonder about other compounds out there and if they might be better, trust me, they probably won't be. Even if there are other tires that can be as fast, the synthetic family wears out really fast and the high natural rubber will probably fuzz on you over an 8 minute run. The blends family seems to be the most versatile foam type available today. They last awhile, and sticking to them will make your process of tire selection simpler.
Tire Charts:
BSR/CRC/Jaco



Contact



Corally



JFT (Japan Foam Tire)



Ulti



Enneti (Xceed)



ELECTRONICS:
ESC:
As of now, ROAR is staying 1S (3.7V nominal; 4.2V fully charged) for 1/12. There are many 1S ESC's with a built in BEC so nothing else is required to power the receiver and servo.

If you don't want to lock yourself into a 1S specific ESC, you do have other options! It is possible to use your 2S ESC without a booster or receiver pack, and the ESC simply supplies the lower voltage. If that does not appeal to you, you will need to use an Rx pack or booster. The Rx pack and booster will both supply the receiver with a higher voltage than the 1S pack.

If you decide to use an Rx pack, MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THE RED WIRE FROM THE ESC PLUG THAT GOES INTO THE RECEIVER!!!

If you choose to use a voltage booster, it works exactly how it sounds. Instead of plugging the ESC into the receiver, it plugs into the booster, and the booster plug goes to the ESC, supplying the higher voltage.

1S ESC:
If there are any missing please add them!!

If anyone would like a need for a chart comparing the ESC's specs PM fenton06 and I'll get one made and put in here!
Voltage Boosters:
If there are any missing please add them!
Servos:
BODIES:
Black Art (CRC - US Dist):
  • Audi R8C - BA002 - .020 Thick



  • Black Market (Mohawk 12) - BA005 - .020



  • Lola B10 - BA006 - .020 thick
  • Toyota TS030 - BA008 - .020 thick

    Lola - black/red, TS030 - green/pink


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Old 07-13-2003, 10:27 PM   #3406
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Kimborough, TRC, Robinsons, HPI, even some RW's all work
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Kimborough, TRC, Robinsons, HPI, even some RW's all work
I have tried a few but it does not sit right. A Part number would be good.

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Old 07-14-2003, 05:26 AM   #3408
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Coxy,

A spur gear is a spur gear. CRC has an on line store, you can order it there, or you can phone them duruing the day and John will probably answer the phone and send your parts right away. You can't beat CRC customer service.

They have some good Tire Sace too.


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Old 07-14-2003, 10:55 AM   #3409
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Graphitedust, Stormperson,

I have to disagree with you about the KR motors. I have been running a 11x2 and I make run time with 3000's! True it's not an 8 or 9 turn, but I still run lap times in 10.8 to 9.8 which is good for 43 - 45 laps in 8 min. I'm still woriking on consistancy.

The guy that that won this past Sat. ran 48 laps (9.8sec/lap).

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Old 07-14-2003, 09:56 PM   #3410
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Hi I was wondering if anybody knows what brand the Spur gear is for the Red edition Carpet Knife. I have tryed a few others but it just does not seem to fit right.

I would buy it from CRC themselves but I never get a response from any emails I send them.

So I am after the brand or others that fit that I can buy on line.


Thanks in advance for anybody whishing to share some info.


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Old 07-15-2003, 06:50 AM   #3411
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Default Picutres of Irrgang 'Rug Rat' Chassis Installed on 12L3

Has anyone seen, or have access to, pictures of Mike Dunnigan's IRS Rug Rat conversion car from the Paved Nationals? I am very interested in buying this conversion and would like to catch a glimpse of it installed on a 12L3. Pictures of anyone else's setup with this chassis conversion would be appreciated as well.

I have seen pictures of the kit at Irrgang's website (www.teamirsrc.com) but would love to see how the car looks together. I am very interested in viewing how their dampening tubes work with the side springs as part of the tubes.

Can anyone help?

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P.S. Does anyone know where I could purchase this conversion kit? Irrgang wants $135 direct from their website. I have heard rumour of them selling for ~ $90 at other online shops but haven't seen them anywhere.
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Default Re: Picutres of Irrgang 'Rug Rat' Chassis Installed on 12L3

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Has anyone seen, or have access to, pictures of Mike Dunnigan's IRS Rug Rat conversion car from the Paved Nationals? I am very interested in buying this conversion and would like to catch a glimpse of it installed on a 12L3. Pictures of anyone else's setup with this chassis conversion would be appreciated as well.
Bobby Z - I'll post some pictures of my car later this week if you are interested. Do you race carpet or asphalt?

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P.S. Does anyone know where I could purchase this conversion kit? Irrgang wants $135 direct from their website. I have heard rumour of them selling for ~ $90 at other online shops but haven't seen them anywhere.
Irrgang sells stuff off his website as a service to racers that cannot purchase the products elsewhere. The prices are at or near retail because he doesn't want to undersell hobby shops or distributors. If you are looking for an online shop, check out speedtechrc.com. They sell IRS stuff and I'm sure they could get it for you. No idea about the price though.

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Default My L3 with CRC Tubes

I am still tuningit, at first I thought it was to soft, so I added, small ballpen springs inside the tubes, still the same but i found out the reason I was spining is I was geared to high, which causes the rear to loose traction and my diff is too tight.

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I am still tuningit, at first I thought it was to soft, so I added, small ballpen springs inside the tubes, still the same but i found out the reason I was spining is I was geared to high, which causes the rear to loose traction and my diff is too tight.

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Graphitedust, Stormperson,

I have to disagree with you about the KR motors. I have been running a 11x2 and I make run time with 3000's! True it's not an 8 or 9 turn, but I still run lap times in 10.8 to 9.8 which is good for 43 - 45 laps in 8 min. I'm still woriking on consistancy.

The guy that that won this past Sat. ran 48 laps (9.8sec/lap).

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Thanks for the input Eric! What were you running for timing/rollout? I've run an 11x2 before, but had to use some pretty aggressive timing to make much power.
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Old 07-15-2003, 10:19 AM   #3416
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Hi guys,


does anybody knows any shops that sell 12th Jaco donuts online and will ship international with reasonable price?

, besides towerhobbies?

It's been a month since I last ran my 12th scales cars, pls help thanks
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Graphitedust:

What were you running for timing/rollout? I've run an 11x2 before, but had to use some pretty aggressive timing to make much power.

I'm not super motor savy so I run it how I bought it. The timming is set a about 1 1/2 marks past 0 (15-18) I think, I'll check when I go home for lunch.

As far as rollout, I think I recall having approx. 1.77 dia. tire, so my rollout was around 1.668, again I'll check at lunch.

I would have liked a little more punch for our current layout, so I might change my gears or adjust the expo. on my radio.

Eric

after lunch... timming is 1 mark advanced 12 degrees, tire size and rollout are correct.

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Mike D

Thanks for the quick response. I would love to see some pics when ever you have time to get them on this forum or send them direct if that is easier. I mainly run carpet but have considered running some asphalt before the summer is over.

Here is my E-mail address

bob.zahn@nucomm.net

Thanks also for the explanation of pricing on their website. I suspected as much but wondered if the lower price I have heard about was true. I will contact speedtechrc and inquire.

Thanks again

Bob Zahn

P.S. Great job at the Nats!! The t-plate cars can still hold their own!
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Fike: Thanks for the info! Looks like a pretty cool track you race at too!
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Graphitedust- not a problem, you guys seem to have a lot of useful information.

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