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TIRES:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the US:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the Europe:
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The following information came from HERE, with some editing and information added. Thanks Christian!

THIS MAY NEED UPDATING FOR THE NEW BLACK CRC CARPET

Brands:
BSR, CRC, Jaco:
Pro One is no longer selling to the public, but it and the brands above are all mounted by BSR and use the same foam. The nomenclature of the BSR vs Jaco/CRC is a little different in a few instances but is otherwise the same. The BSR foam consists of three families, and can be identifed as synthetics, naturals, and blends.

Synthetics - The old school, light weight, easy to true "dry feeling" tires. These include tires like CRC/Jaco Yellow (BSR White), Black, Gray, etc. These tires offer the highest wear rate and lowest grip. Many racers continue to use these nder high bite conditions.

Naturals - These tires are usually the best alternative for low bite and asphalt. They include Pink, Magenta, Double Pink, Lilac (BSR Team Purple), Purple, and other tires. These tires provide a ton of grip, but tend to get sticky in high bite conditions. This rubber does not wear as easily, and the cars will pick up gunk and fibers from the carpet under most high bite conditions. This is especially bad if the humidity is high.

Blends - These are the tires most people run today. They were initially called "JFT foam" by some, as it was believed that the tires were the same as the JFT tires. We can divide the blends further into two groups: high rubber and low rubber content. The high rubber would be the new rear Orange and Red from the BSR family, and the low rubber would be the Green and Blue varieties. When, asked about the difference, John Foister from BSR Tires said they came from the same "family" of foam, but they offered different grip. According to John, the Green/Blue has more bite than Orange/Red, but from track testing Oranges offer more bite than Green (being equivalent to in hardness) when the grip is high and absolutely no grip when it is lower. The Orange foam has a denser pore structure and the tire is not as prone to chunking. It is also important to note is that BSR Blue rears are not the same as the BSR Blue fronts!

JFT:
JFT stands for Japan Foam Tire. They started the new wave of foam tires we are all using now (Blue/Blu, Green/Greene, Dbl Blue, etc). These tires are a little different than the BSR tire family, but work in very similar conditions. They offers four varieties A (asphalt), C (carpet), S (???), and R (???). This does not mean that those types only work on that surface, but this is what they recommend.

JFT uses the same foam for fronts and rears if the color is the same.

A: Used on asphalt, considered close to the natural rubber variety and are named consistently with other natural tires.
C: Used on carpet, considered a blend.
S: Used on carpet?, tires are ???
R: Used on carpet?, tires are ???

For setup, the JFT foam seem to generate more bite than the BSR, therefore the car tends to be a little more aggressive.

Ulti:
Ulti is another Japanese brand that offers an array of compounds. They have their own way of rating tires, and are difficult to equate to other brands. They have 4 different varieties, each in varying degrees of hardness.

J: High rubber content tire, similar to Pink/ Magenta. Soft would be close to a pink. These offer the most bite and are great for asphalt/carpet front tire. (J hard being very popular)
X: "Balanced" blend, similar to JFT Blue/ Green. Soft is equivalent to Green, medium to Blue in hardness. Great for carpet!
Y: High synthetic blend with lower grip, and is not a very popular variety.
Z: A very expensive "special" foam that is supposed to be magic on asphalt. Only make it in soft shore.
European tires:
There are many great European foam tire brands that use their own types of foam, as well as traditional foams. SOmeone with more knowledge about them will need to fill this in!

Tire Diameter:
If you are racing on carpet, you have to evaluate how much grip your track has. If your track is low to medium grip, you can run bigger tires. If you are on higher bite you have to cut them smaller, there is simply no way around it. Bigger tires are needed for asphalt, especially in the rear. The larger tires provide much needed lateral bite.

Carpet (mm):
Low - Medium Bite
Front: 42.0 - 42.5
Rear: 42.5 - 43.00
Medium - High Bite
Front: 40.5 - 41.0
Rear: 41.5 - 42.0
Big Race
Front: 39.5 - 40.0
Rear: 40.5 - 41.0
Asphalt (mm):
Parking Lot
Front: 43.0 - 44.0
Rear: 44.0 - 45.0
Prepped High Bite
Front: 42.0 - 43.0
Rear: 43.0 - 44.0

Tire Saucing:
Most facilities have moved towards odorless traction additives such as SXT. Some of additives evaporate very quickly and some do not. This seems to be something that is also dependent on tire compound and ambient temperature. For example, saucing a Green compound seems like it never dries, especially when tjhe temperature is lower. We have found that wiping the tires off 15 minutes before we go run allows the sauce to cure, which makes the car come in much quicker with Green rears. Blue compounds on the other hand, do fine when wiped off right before hitting the track.

Saucing half front and full rear is a good initial starting point. If the front of the car is too agressive you can sauce les than half, or for a shorter amount of time.
Tire Fuzzing:
In conditions of increasing grip, foam tires will somewtimes get sticky and pick up fuzz and debris from the track. This is highly dependent on the rubber sedan tire that is being run at your local track and the compound/ type of foam you are running on you car. The softer the sedan tire and the harder/higher rubber content in your foam tire, trouble with fuzzing seems more likely to occur.

There are ways to get around fuzzing under most conditions, and usually involves the selection of the correct foam compound. The more fuzz you get, the softer/lower rubber content you want to run.

Examples:
Problem: Car fuzzes with Lilac/Team Purple fronts and car starts pushing.
Solution: Use a softer front tire and or different family of foam. Replace it with Blue or Double Blue front.

Problem: Car loses rear bite 6 minutes into the run. Blue rear tires look almost clean but have small carpet hairs.
Solution: Use Green rear tires. The softer compound wears instead of getting sticky, minimizing fuzz.

Tire Selection:
Starting out, pick 2 tire compounds for the front and rear. The following should have you covered 99% of the time.

Front - Green and Blue (BSR) or Green and Light Blue (JFT)
Rear - Blue and Double Blue (BSR) or Blue and Dark Blue (JFT)

You may wonder about other compounds out there and if they might be better, trust me, they probably won't be. Even if there are other tires that can be as fast, the synthetic family wears out really fast and the high natural rubber will probably fuzz on you over an 8 minute run. The blends family seems to be the most versatile foam type available today. They last awhile, and sticking to them will make your process of tire selection simpler.
Tire Charts:
BSR/CRC/Jaco



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JFT (Japan Foam Tire)



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ELECTRONICS:
ESC:
As of now, ROAR is staying 1S (3.7V nominal; 4.2V fully charged) for 1/12. There are many 1S ESC's with a built in BEC so nothing else is required to power the receiver and servo.

If you don't want to lock yourself into a 1S specific ESC, you do have other options! It is possible to use your 2S ESC without a booster or receiver pack, and the ESC simply supplies the lower voltage. If that does not appeal to you, you will need to use an Rx pack or booster. The Rx pack and booster will both supply the receiver with a higher voltage than the 1S pack.

If you decide to use an Rx pack, MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THE RED WIRE FROM THE ESC PLUG THAT GOES INTO THE RECEIVER!!!

If you choose to use a voltage booster, it works exactly how it sounds. Instead of plugging the ESC into the receiver, it plugs into the booster, and the booster plug goes to the ESC, supplying the higher voltage.

1S ESC:
If there are any missing please add them!!

If anyone would like a need for a chart comparing the ESC's specs PM fenton06 and I'll get one made and put in here!
Voltage Boosters:
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Servos:
BODIES:
Black Art (CRC - US Dist):
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  • Black Market (Mohawk 12) - BA005 - .020



  • Lola B10 - BA006 - .020 thick
  • Toyota TS030 - BA008 - .020 thick

    Lola - black/red, TS030 - green/pink


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Old 07-08-2010, 02:29 AM   #34021
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Anyone ever cut camber into their rear tires on purpose?
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Anyone ever cut camber into their rear tires on purpose?
And erm, to what purpose would you cut camber in the tires of a solid rear axle??? There simply isnt any camber change in the rear of a 1/12th, did you ever see any pan car rear tires angled??
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And erm, to what purpose would you cut camber in the tires of a solid rear axle??? There simply isnt any camber change in the rear of a 1/12th, did you ever see any pan car rear tires angled??
Actually, yes it has been done. The result is better side bite, less forward bite and inconsistent handling as the camber wears out of the tire quickly.
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I have an S120 tbar car and i have a on pwr mid-corner/ exit push theres 2deg camber in the front. this is my first 1/12 scale so im not exactly sure on where to go with this. i would like to try set-up changes 1st before have to start letting off on the throttle
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I have an S120 tbar car and i have a on pwr mid-corner/ exit push theres 2deg camber in the front. this is my first 1/12 scale so im not exactly sure on where to go with this. i would like to try set-up changes 1st before have to start letting off on the throttle
How did you build the front end? What settings? I also have a Serpent S120 tbar car and I was taking steering out of it, and I like steering. Remember there is a lot to change (experiment with) on the tbar itself. PM me if you would like to discuss the car in more detail.

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I have an S120 tbar car and i have a on pwr mid-corner/ exit push theres 2deg camber in the front. this is my first 1/12 scale so im not exactly sure on where to go with this. i would like to try set-up changes 1st before have to start letting off on the throttle
Motojon,there is a 12th scale race this sunday at TQ..I would like to see that Serpent perform.....
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I have an S120 tbar car and i have a on pwr mid-corner/ exit push theres 2deg camber in the front. this is my first 1/12 scale so im not exactly sure on where to go with this. i would like to try set-up changes 1st before have to start letting off on the throttle
hi Jon,
i had a s120 for a while, and with 2xpink front/rear, the stock setup had an onpower push for me as well. (at Beltran's, concrete sprayed with sugar and/or vht)

for me i needed to stiffen the tbar to better rotation. the s120 is peculiar in that you can stiffen the tbar (other cars you swap tbars) by moving the restraint, but be careful to just change the length of the bending beam (shorter is stiffer) but don't move the point where they contact the tbar.

i tried moving the contact along the tbar and it made weird things happen, it couples up tbar bending and torsion, so if the tbar bends, the roll stiffness increases, making more unsettled over a bump in a corner.
for me, it worked best when the contact to the tbar was at the fwd pivot.

i never tried putting contact at the aft pivot, but that might work too if you really want to stiffen it up a lot. but i doubt that will be necessary.
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Motojon,there is a 12th scale race this sunday at TQ..I would like to see that Serpent perform.....
If the nitro track at Whittier is not going to be open i'll be there for sure
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Definatley bring those Serpentsssssss to TQ Sun.
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What is the deal with these Xceed tires I see selling on Amain Hobbies? I went to their website, and in some of the descriptions... It said there was 3 different kind of tires? Jap, Italian, and US. I see that they have tires that are coded with colors and look like Jacos... Or unless they ARE Jacos? Then I see some of the tires that have (Carpet) in the name, and some dont. But there isnt any literature to explain the differences...

Ive been out of onroad racing the last few years. I notice Jaco tires when up some... You could get any pair of Jaco tires for $9.99... now they are like $11 for fronts and $11.50 for rears..

Where does everyone get their tires?

I did notice Stormer is still selling them for $10.. So maybe its just an Amain price?
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I have been curious about those xceed tires too so I finally broke down and ordered a set. I run at a carpet track with low to medium traction so I ordered lightweight carpet compound for front and rear. Got soft rear and medium front.

I am happy with these tires. They grip well, gave me a little more steering and I can hold really tight lines with them. The rear wheel has a similar offset to CRC rears. The front wheels hold the bearings better than jacos. Also, the wheels are durable. They are just flexable enough so they flex instead of crack.

I would order them again.
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I was wondering what other voltage boosters are out now since the TQ and Novak boosters have been out. I am getting back in to 12th scale racing and I am looking for something better and smaller than the Novak.
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I was wondering what other voltage boosters are out now since the TQ and Novak boosters have been out. I am getting back in to 12th scale racing and I am looking for something better and smaller than the Novak.
google RC Dynamics, popular in the UK
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What is the deal with these Xceed tires I see selling on Amain Hobbies? I went to their website, and in some of the descriptions... It said there was 3 different kind of tires? Jap, Italian, and US. I see that they have tires that are coded with colors and look like Jacos... Or unless they ARE Jacos? Then I see some of the tires that have (Carpet) in the name, and some dont. But there isnt any literature to explain the differences...
there 3 different rims & foams

The 'Tyre 1/12 Front/Rear's US' are the Jaco rim/foam

The '1/12 front/rear ITA' are a white rim which is softer the Pro version

The '1/12 front/rear Pro' is lighter than ITA rim and is opaque

as for foam types I have no idea on the Xceed types

I'm using the Pro's in Medium front with soft rear and they are working for me in the UK on a green to medium grip carpet. I'm not using additive on them either.
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I have been curious about those xceed tires too so I finally broke down and ordered a set. I run at a carpet track with low to medium traction so I ordered lightweight carpet compound for front and rear. Got soft rear and medium front.

I am happy with these tires. They grip well, gave me a little more steering and I can hold really tight lines with them. The rear wheel has a similar offset to CRC rears. The front wheels hold the bearings better than jacos. Also, the wheels are durable. They are just flexable enough so they flex instead of crack.

I would order them again.
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