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TIRES:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the US:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the Europe:
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Gluing your own donuts:
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The following information came from HERE, with some editing and information added. Thanks Christian!

THIS MAY NEED UPDATING FOR THE NEW BLACK CRC CARPET

Brands:
BSR, CRC, Jaco:
Pro One is no longer selling to the public, but it and the brands above are all mounted by BSR and use the same foam. The nomenclature of the BSR vs Jaco/CRC is a little different in a few instances but is otherwise the same. The BSR foam consists of three families, and can be identifed as synthetics, naturals, and blends.

Synthetics - The old school, light weight, easy to true "dry feeling" tires. These include tires like CRC/Jaco Yellow (BSR White), Black, Gray, etc. These tires offer the highest wear rate and lowest grip. Many racers continue to use these nder high bite conditions.

Naturals - These tires are usually the best alternative for low bite and asphalt. They include Pink, Magenta, Double Pink, Lilac (BSR Team Purple), Purple, and other tires. These tires provide a ton of grip, but tend to get sticky in high bite conditions. This rubber does not wear as easily, and the cars will pick up gunk and fibers from the carpet under most high bite conditions. This is especially bad if the humidity is high.

Blends - These are the tires most people run today. They were initially called "JFT foam" by some, as it was believed that the tires were the same as the JFT tires. We can divide the blends further into two groups: high rubber and low rubber content. The high rubber would be the new rear Orange and Red from the BSR family, and the low rubber would be the Green and Blue varieties. When, asked about the difference, John Foister from BSR Tires said they came from the same "family" of foam, but they offered different grip. According to John, the Green/Blue has more bite than Orange/Red, but from track testing Oranges offer more bite than Green (being equivalent to in hardness) when the grip is high and absolutely no grip when it is lower. The Orange foam has a denser pore structure and the tire is not as prone to chunking. It is also important to note is that BSR Blue rears are not the same as the BSR Blue fronts!

JFT:
JFT stands for Japan Foam Tire. They started the new wave of foam tires we are all using now (Blue/Blu, Green/Greene, Dbl Blue, etc). These tires are a little different than the BSR tire family, but work in very similar conditions. They offers four varieties A (asphalt), C (carpet), S (???), and R (???). This does not mean that those types only work on that surface, but this is what they recommend.

JFT uses the same foam for fronts and rears if the color is the same.

A: Used on asphalt, considered close to the natural rubber variety and are named consistently with other natural tires.
C: Used on carpet, considered a blend.
S: Used on carpet?, tires are ???
R: Used on carpet?, tires are ???

For setup, the JFT foam seem to generate more bite than the BSR, therefore the car tends to be a little more aggressive.

Ulti:
Ulti is another Japanese brand that offers an array of compounds. They have their own way of rating tires, and are difficult to equate to other brands. They have 4 different varieties, each in varying degrees of hardness.

J: High rubber content tire, similar to Pink/ Magenta. Soft would be close to a pink. These offer the most bite and are great for asphalt/carpet front tire. (J hard being very popular)
X: "Balanced" blend, similar to JFT Blue/ Green. Soft is equivalent to Green, medium to Blue in hardness. Great for carpet!
Y: High synthetic blend with lower grip, and is not a very popular variety.
Z: A very expensive "special" foam that is supposed to be magic on asphalt. Only make it in soft shore.
European tires:
There are many great European foam tire brands that use their own types of foam, as well as traditional foams. SOmeone with more knowledge about them will need to fill this in!

Tire Diameter:
If you are racing on carpet, you have to evaluate how much grip your track has. If your track is low to medium grip, you can run bigger tires. If you are on higher bite you have to cut them smaller, there is simply no way around it. Bigger tires are needed for asphalt, especially in the rear. The larger tires provide much needed lateral bite.

Carpet (mm):
Low - Medium Bite
Front: 42.0 - 42.5
Rear: 42.5 - 43.00
Medium - High Bite
Front: 40.5 - 41.0
Rear: 41.5 - 42.0
Big Race
Front: 39.5 - 40.0
Rear: 40.5 - 41.0
Asphalt (mm):
Parking Lot
Front: 43.0 - 44.0
Rear: 44.0 - 45.0
Prepped High Bite
Front: 42.0 - 43.0
Rear: 43.0 - 44.0

Tire Saucing:
Most facilities have moved towards odorless traction additives such as SXT. Some of additives evaporate very quickly and some do not. This seems to be something that is also dependent on tire compound and ambient temperature. For example, saucing a Green compound seems like it never dries, especially when tjhe temperature is lower. We have found that wiping the tires off 15 minutes before we go run allows the sauce to cure, which makes the car come in much quicker with Green rears. Blue compounds on the other hand, do fine when wiped off right before hitting the track.

Saucing half front and full rear is a good initial starting point. If the front of the car is too agressive you can sauce les than half, or for a shorter amount of time.
Tire Fuzzing:
In conditions of increasing grip, foam tires will somewtimes get sticky and pick up fuzz and debris from the track. This is highly dependent on the rubber sedan tire that is being run at your local track and the compound/ type of foam you are running on you car. The softer the sedan tire and the harder/higher rubber content in your foam tire, trouble with fuzzing seems more likely to occur.

There are ways to get around fuzzing under most conditions, and usually involves the selection of the correct foam compound. The more fuzz you get, the softer/lower rubber content you want to run.

Examples:
Problem: Car fuzzes with Lilac/Team Purple fronts and car starts pushing.
Solution: Use a softer front tire and or different family of foam. Replace it with Blue or Double Blue front.

Problem: Car loses rear bite 6 minutes into the run. Blue rear tires look almost clean but have small carpet hairs.
Solution: Use Green rear tires. The softer compound wears instead of getting sticky, minimizing fuzz.

Tire Selection:
Starting out, pick 2 tire compounds for the front and rear. The following should have you covered 99% of the time.

Front - Green and Blue (BSR) or Green and Light Blue (JFT)
Rear - Blue and Double Blue (BSR) or Blue and Dark Blue (JFT)

You may wonder about other compounds out there and if they might be better, trust me, they probably won't be. Even if there are other tires that can be as fast, the synthetic family wears out really fast and the high natural rubber will probably fuzz on you over an 8 minute run. The blends family seems to be the most versatile foam type available today. They last awhile, and sticking to them will make your process of tire selection simpler.
Tire Charts:
BSR/CRC/Jaco



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ELECTRONICS:
ESC:
As of now, ROAR is staying 1S (3.7V nominal; 4.2V fully charged) for 1/12. There are many 1S ESC's with a built in BEC so nothing else is required to power the receiver and servo.

If you don't want to lock yourself into a 1S specific ESC, you do have other options! It is possible to use your 2S ESC without a booster or receiver pack, and the ESC simply supplies the lower voltage. If that does not appeal to you, you will need to use an Rx pack or booster. The Rx pack and booster will both supply the receiver with a higher voltage than the 1S pack.

If you decide to use an Rx pack, MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THE RED WIRE FROM THE ESC PLUG THAT GOES INTO THE RECEIVER!!!

If you choose to use a voltage booster, it works exactly how it sounds. Instead of plugging the ESC into the receiver, it plugs into the booster, and the booster plug goes to the ESC, supplying the higher voltage.

1S ESC:
If there are any missing please add them!!

If anyone would like a need for a chart comparing the ESC's specs PM fenton06 and I'll get one made and put in here!
Voltage Boosters:
If there are any missing please add them!
Servos:
BODIES:
Black Art (CRC - US Dist):
  • Audi R8C - BA002 - .020 Thick



  • Black Market (Mohawk 12) - BA005 - .020



  • Lola B10 - BA006 - .020 thick
  • Toyota TS030 - BA008 - .020 thick

    Lola - black/red, TS030 - green/pink


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Old 09-25-2009, 02:08 PM   #32221
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I have a Corally Sp12x on the way and have been looking for a carpet setup. Just wondering if anyone can help. The class is 13.5 with a 1 cell lipo. (saddle pack). On a very short and tight track.
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Thats the second time in a few days you've refrenced a saddle 1s lipo, I'd be interested in seeing a link to this pack. Unless I'm very wrong no such pack exists right now.
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Thats the second time in a few days you've refrenced a saddle 1s lipo, I'd be interested in seeing a link to this pack. Unless I'm very wrong no such pack exists right now.
I think I saw something on redrc a while back about this
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I think I saw something on redrc a while back about this
Here's the link for the saddle pack lipo - I can't confirm its availability at the moment...

http://www.redrc.net/2009/08/speedzo...o-saddle-pack/
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Hi guys, here's a pic of the CEFX LiPo link car, does anyone know if, or when it is going to be released? I've looked on the CEFX website but nothing is on there regarding this car. Also did a search for the CEFX thread but nothing came up on here either! Cheers guys.

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Hi guys, here's a pic of the CEFX LiPo link car, does anyone know if, or when it is going to be released? I've looked on the CEFX website but nothing is on there regarding this car. Also did a search for the CEFX thread but nothing came up on here either! Cheers guys.

Ahh thats the CEFX car, I was wondering what car that is. Any idea what that small green box is on the side of the car?
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Personal Transponder?
Looking at the pic, I'm wondering what's up with those short dampener tubes.
I would think that dampening would be compromised with a smaller tube.
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we call it glazing and we found that to be true at our track so, we just dope the entire front
yes, exactly. so have you been able to use anything but black?

i was going to try ODPURPLE's suggestion tomorrow (less rear traction and less slip angle needed on the front to reduce front heating)

i was also going to try softer fronts with inside half sauced for 10+ minutes and only 5 minutes on the whole front. (see if i can stop the buildup and still be drivable in the first 2 minutes)

is the secret in the sauce time or in the setup or ?
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Thats the second time in a few days you've refrenced a saddle 1s lipo, I'd be interested in seeing a link to this pack. Unless I'm very wrong no such pack exists right now.

I have already had my eyes on the batteries. Just no talk on how well they work. The link to some 1 cell saddle packs.
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...ack%3C%2FB%3Es
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I have already had my eyes on the batteries. Just no talk on how well they work. The link to some 1 cell saddle packs.
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...ack%3C%2FB%3Es
Nope. Those are 2s saddle packs. They appear to be two 2s packs in parallel to double the mAh.

These are the other ones that most everyone else is referring to, as well as hoping for.
http://www.redrc.net/2009/08/speedzo...o-saddle-pack/
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Yes I see that now.
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The green box is indeed a transponder, a MRT personal transponder. One of a couple that MRT make. The damper tubes are the same as the ones I have on my original CEFX chassis and they work really well. The 'piston' bit (if you can call them that) have grooves in them which help to trap the gup within the tube parts.
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Hows the runtime with the new 1 cell lipo packs? More in Mod than anything else. In Aus we would probably be using 4.0 or 4.5 with the new lipo's as we only race on large outdoor tracks?

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Here's the link for the saddle pack lipo - I can't confirm its availability at the moment...

http://www.redrc.net/2009/08/speedzo...o-saddle-pack/

Right not avalibe now and no release date has been set

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I have already had my eyes on the batteries. Just no talk on how well they work. The link to some 1 cell saddle packs.
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...ack%3C%2FB%3Es

As you found out these are not 1s packs and will not work in 1/12th.

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Hows the runtime with the new 1 cell lipo packs? More in Mod than anything else. In Aus we would probably be using 4.0 or 4.5 with the new lipo's as we only race on large outdoor tracks?

Thanks in advance,

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You might struggle to make times. At the recent IIC some of the mod drivers did dump, but I dont know what wind motors thay were using. I'd guess that you might need to motor or gear down and run a reciver pack instead of a booster to make it.
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I don't think the CEFX LiPO car will be out anytime soon seeing as there is no buzz around it. Pick up a 12R5 for now and when the CEFX car does release pick one up and you'll have better idea on how to tune it. Who knows maybe there will be a conversion kit.

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You will most likely struggle to make times. At the recent IIC many of the mod drivers were dumping, but I dont know what wind motors thay were using. I'd guess that you will have to motor or gear down and run a reciver pack instead of a booster to make it.
I'm not sure where you got that from Chris. Those cars that did dump during qualifying were those that had bad set-ups. In the A Final, the laps of the top three hardly drop off at all.

In reality, 5000mAh is more than enough to power a Mod 12th car for eight minutes if it is well set up, and driven smoothly - which is always the best way to get a fast time in 12th!!
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