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TIRES:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the US:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the Europe:
  • Hot Race ??

Gluing your own donuts:
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The following information came from HERE, with some editing and information added. Thanks Christian!

THIS MAY NEED UPDATING FOR THE NEW BLACK CRC CARPET

Brands:
BSR, CRC, Jaco:
Pro One is no longer selling to the public, but it and the brands above are all mounted by BSR and use the same foam. The nomenclature of the BSR vs Jaco/CRC is a little different in a few instances but is otherwise the same. The BSR foam consists of three families, and can be identifed as synthetics, naturals, and blends.

Synthetics - The old school, light weight, easy to true "dry feeling" tires. These include tires like CRC/Jaco Yellow (BSR White), Black, Gray, etc. These tires offer the highest wear rate and lowest grip. Many racers continue to use these nder high bite conditions.

Naturals - These tires are usually the best alternative for low bite and asphalt. They include Pink, Magenta, Double Pink, Lilac (BSR Team Purple), Purple, and other tires. These tires provide a ton of grip, but tend to get sticky in high bite conditions. This rubber does not wear as easily, and the cars will pick up gunk and fibers from the carpet under most high bite conditions. This is especially bad if the humidity is high.

Blends - These are the tires most people run today. They were initially called "JFT foam" by some, as it was believed that the tires were the same as the JFT tires. We can divide the blends further into two groups: high rubber and low rubber content. The high rubber would be the new rear Orange and Red from the BSR family, and the low rubber would be the Green and Blue varieties. When, asked about the difference, John Foister from BSR Tires said they came from the same "family" of foam, but they offered different grip. According to John, the Green/Blue has more bite than Orange/Red, but from track testing Oranges offer more bite than Green (being equivalent to in hardness) when the grip is high and absolutely no grip when it is lower. The Orange foam has a denser pore structure and the tire is not as prone to chunking. It is also important to note is that BSR Blue rears are not the same as the BSR Blue fronts!

JFT:
JFT stands for Japan Foam Tire. They started the new wave of foam tires we are all using now (Blue/Blu, Green/Greene, Dbl Blue, etc). These tires are a little different than the BSR tire family, but work in very similar conditions. They offers four varieties A (asphalt), C (carpet), S (???), and R (???). This does not mean that those types only work on that surface, but this is what they recommend.

JFT uses the same foam for fronts and rears if the color is the same.

A: Used on asphalt, considered close to the natural rubber variety and are named consistently with other natural tires.
C: Used on carpet, considered a blend.
S: Used on carpet?, tires are ???
R: Used on carpet?, tires are ???

For setup, the JFT foam seem to generate more bite than the BSR, therefore the car tends to be a little more aggressive.

Ulti:
Ulti is another Japanese brand that offers an array of compounds. They have their own way of rating tires, and are difficult to equate to other brands. They have 4 different varieties, each in varying degrees of hardness.

J: High rubber content tire, similar to Pink/ Magenta. Soft would be close to a pink. These offer the most bite and are great for asphalt/carpet front tire. (J hard being very popular)
X: "Balanced" blend, similar to JFT Blue/ Green. Soft is equivalent to Green, medium to Blue in hardness. Great for carpet!
Y: High synthetic blend with lower grip, and is not a very popular variety.
Z: A very expensive "special" foam that is supposed to be magic on asphalt. Only make it in soft shore.
European tires:
There are many great European foam tire brands that use their own types of foam, as well as traditional foams. SOmeone with more knowledge about them will need to fill this in!

Tire Diameter:
If you are racing on carpet, you have to evaluate how much grip your track has. If your track is low to medium grip, you can run bigger tires. If you are on higher bite you have to cut them smaller, there is simply no way around it. Bigger tires are needed for asphalt, especially in the rear. The larger tires provide much needed lateral bite.

Carpet (mm):
Low - Medium Bite
Front: 42.0 - 42.5
Rear: 42.5 - 43.00
Medium - High Bite
Front: 40.5 - 41.0
Rear: 41.5 - 42.0
Big Race
Front: 39.5 - 40.0
Rear: 40.5 - 41.0
Asphalt (mm):
Parking Lot
Front: 43.0 - 44.0
Rear: 44.0 - 45.0
Prepped High Bite
Front: 42.0 - 43.0
Rear: 43.0 - 44.0

Tire Saucing:
Most facilities have moved towards odorless traction additives such as SXT. Some of additives evaporate very quickly and some do not. This seems to be something that is also dependent on tire compound and ambient temperature. For example, saucing a Green compound seems like it never dries, especially when tjhe temperature is lower. We have found that wiping the tires off 15 minutes before we go run allows the sauce to cure, which makes the car come in much quicker with Green rears. Blue compounds on the other hand, do fine when wiped off right before hitting the track.

Saucing half front and full rear is a good initial starting point. If the front of the car is too agressive you can sauce les than half, or for a shorter amount of time.
Tire Fuzzing:
In conditions of increasing grip, foam tires will somewtimes get sticky and pick up fuzz and debris from the track. This is highly dependent on the rubber sedan tire that is being run at your local track and the compound/ type of foam you are running on you car. The softer the sedan tire and the harder/higher rubber content in your foam tire, trouble with fuzzing seems more likely to occur.

There are ways to get around fuzzing under most conditions, and usually involves the selection of the correct foam compound. The more fuzz you get, the softer/lower rubber content you want to run.

Examples:
Problem: Car fuzzes with Lilac/Team Purple fronts and car starts pushing.
Solution: Use a softer front tire and or different family of foam. Replace it with Blue or Double Blue front.

Problem: Car loses rear bite 6 minutes into the run. Blue rear tires look almost clean but have small carpet hairs.
Solution: Use Green rear tires. The softer compound wears instead of getting sticky, minimizing fuzz.

Tire Selection:
Starting out, pick 2 tire compounds for the front and rear. The following should have you covered 99% of the time.

Front - Green and Blue (BSR) or Green and Light Blue (JFT)
Rear - Blue and Double Blue (BSR) or Blue and Dark Blue (JFT)

You may wonder about other compounds out there and if they might be better, trust me, they probably won't be. Even if there are other tires that can be as fast, the synthetic family wears out really fast and the high natural rubber will probably fuzz on you over an 8 minute run. The blends family seems to be the most versatile foam type available today. They last awhile, and sticking to them will make your process of tire selection simpler.
Tire Charts:
BSR/CRC/Jaco



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JFT (Japan Foam Tire)



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ELECTRONICS:
ESC:
As of now, ROAR is staying 1S (3.7V nominal; 4.2V fully charged) for 1/12. There are many 1S ESC's with a built in BEC so nothing else is required to power the receiver and servo.

If you don't want to lock yourself into a 1S specific ESC, you do have other options! It is possible to use your 2S ESC without a booster or receiver pack, and the ESC simply supplies the lower voltage. If that does not appeal to you, you will need to use an Rx pack or booster. The Rx pack and booster will both supply the receiver with a higher voltage than the 1S pack.

If you decide to use an Rx pack, MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THE RED WIRE FROM THE ESC PLUG THAT GOES INTO THE RECEIVER!!!

If you choose to use a voltage booster, it works exactly how it sounds. Instead of plugging the ESC into the receiver, it plugs into the booster, and the booster plug goes to the ESC, supplying the higher voltage.

1S ESC:
If there are any missing please add them!!

If anyone would like a need for a chart comparing the ESC's specs PM fenton06 and I'll get one made and put in here!
Voltage Boosters:
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Servos:
BODIES:
Black Art (CRC - US Dist):
  • Audi R8C - BA002 - .020 Thick



  • Black Market (Mohawk 12) - BA005 - .020



  • Lola B10 - BA006 - .020 thick
  • Toyota TS030 - BA008 - .020 thick

    Lola - black/red, TS030 - green/pink


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Old 03-21-2009, 12:45 AM   #31066
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Even with pink rears that is still more firm then the yellows being used in carpet.
I think it has to do with the natural rubber content differences. For most "normal" situations, I know for a fact the stock/17.5 on carpet, pinks are way too stuck in the rear. And if you were to run a grey or yellow in mod, the wheels would spin/loose traction.

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Old 03-21-2009, 02:50 AM   #31068
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anyone got a link to all suitable servo's for 12th cars

one's I've listed so far are

Futaba S9602
Futaba S9650
Savox SH-1350
KO Propo PDS-947
Sanwa SRM-141HRZ
Sanwa SRM-141AL

looking for the specs also

list your servo and specs please
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You've listed all the good ones already. Hard to beat a 9650.
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WOW -- If you know Dave you would not believe this statement

As for tires -- asphalt is just a different animal compared to carpet. Stock vs mod changes tire selection choices almost like the difference between carpet and asphalt. I've found my best performances (on asphalt, not carpet sadly) after weeks of experimenting and failing.

All I can say is that I miss god old PARMA tires. Bring back those Corals Chicky!

Oh - and good luck to everyone running at the ROAR Carpet On-Road Nats. Check out the Q3 schedule: http://www.liverc.com/view_result_fi..._(Round_3).xml
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JR Z3650 I've had good luck with. I believe the whole field of 12th locals here are using it. It does help that we are 30 min from horizon hobby. Lol
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Why would you say that? I've been following you all season... just so far back it was hard to notice me there...

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Well just to follow up with our conversation yesterday...

We had our weekly club race last night and I decided to experiment more with tires than chassis setup (even though Trips' advice sounded right on the money ).

Rather than the Yellow/Lilac setup I was using before I tried Yellow/Dbl Pink and found that the car worked pretty well with the fronts sauced about 1/2. Setup like that I got quite a bit more steering throughout the corners and could carry more speed than before. I ended up TQ by 1 lap and won the main by 3 laps (2nd place had a few issues). This is on moderate sized track with low to medium grip carpet that is anything but smooth. The lack of traction is a big reason why I haven't been able to get the Grey tires to work for me on the rear!

I think next week I'll go back to Lilac fronts and try the chassis changes that Trips suggested and see if I can get the car to work even better.

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Well just to follow up with our conversation yesterday...

We had our weekly club race last night and I decided to experiment more with tires than chassis setup (even though Trips' advice sounded right on the money ).

Rather than the Yellow/Lilac setup I was using before I tried Yellow/Dbl Pink and found that the car worked pretty well with the fronts sauced about 1/2. Setup like that I got quite a bit more steering throughout the corners and could carry more speed than before. I ended up TQ by 1 lap and won the main by 3 laps (2nd place had a few issues). This is on moderate sized track with low to medium grip carpet that is anything but smooth. The lack of traction is a big reason why I haven't been able to get the Grey tires to work for me on the rear!

I think next week I'll go back to Lilac fronts and try the chassis changes that Trips suggested and see if I can get the car to work even better.

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Mike,

TQ and the win... NICE!

Most of my racing is on smooth high grip carpet, so don't take everything I suggest as gospel... TQ by a lap suggests that the tire change you made might be the better way to go at that particular track...

If the changes I suggested work out well, great, but if it doesn't seem like it's working, don't hesitate to go back to what DOES work...
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Hi guy's.
Ive just brought my first 1/12 car (kawada).
It's a fantastic looking car,but i need your help.
were do i start with the gearing? I'm going to running 4cell 3300 with a 9.5 brushless motor,the spur gear that came with the car is 95T.what pinion gear would you start off with? as i have no idea.
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Well just to follow up with our conversation yesterday...

We had our weekly club race last night and I decided to experiment more with tires than chassis setup (even though Trips' advice sounded right on the money ).

Rather than the Yellow/Lilac setup I was using before I tried Yellow/Dbl Pink and found that the car worked pretty well with the fronts sauced about 1/2. Setup like that I got quite a bit more steering throughout the corners and could carry more speed than before. I ended up TQ by 1 lap and won the main by 3 laps (2nd place had a few issues). This is on moderate sized track with low to medium grip carpet that is anything but smooth. The lack of traction is a big reason why I haven't been able to get the Grey tires to work for me on the rear!

I think next week I'll go back to Lilac fronts and try the chassis changes that Trips suggested and see if I can get the car to work even better.

Cheers,
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Good job. If you find yourself needing even a bit more steering, try a magenta front. I also race on a pretty low grip carpet track and had really good luck today with magentas all the way around. I usually use pink rears but with the new layout they were really falling off bad after a few minutes. Magentas stayed very consistent throughout the run.
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Never tried it but the Futaba 9650 is outstanding.
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