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TIRES:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the US:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the Europe:
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Gluing your own donuts:
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The following information came from HERE, with some editing and information added. Thanks Christian!

THIS MAY NEED UPDATING FOR THE NEW BLACK CRC CARPET

Brands:
BSR, CRC, Jaco:
Pro One is no longer selling to the public, but it and the brands above are all mounted by BSR and use the same foam. The nomenclature of the BSR vs Jaco/CRC is a little different in a few instances but is otherwise the same. The BSR foam consists of three families, and can be identifed as synthetics, naturals, and blends.

Synthetics - The old school, light weight, easy to true "dry feeling" tires. These include tires like CRC/Jaco Yellow (BSR White), Black, Gray, etc. These tires offer the highest wear rate and lowest grip. Many racers continue to use these nder high bite conditions.

Naturals - These tires are usually the best alternative for low bite and asphalt. They include Pink, Magenta, Double Pink, Lilac (BSR Team Purple), Purple, and other tires. These tires provide a ton of grip, but tend to get sticky in high bite conditions. This rubber does not wear as easily, and the cars will pick up gunk and fibers from the carpet under most high bite conditions. This is especially bad if the humidity is high.

Blends - These are the tires most people run today. They were initially called "JFT foam" by some, as it was believed that the tires were the same as the JFT tires. We can divide the blends further into two groups: high rubber and low rubber content. The high rubber would be the new rear Orange and Red from the BSR family, and the low rubber would be the Green and Blue varieties. When, asked about the difference, John Foister from BSR Tires said they came from the same "family" of foam, but they offered different grip. According to John, the Green/Blue has more bite than Orange/Red, but from track testing Oranges offer more bite than Green (being equivalent to in hardness) when the grip is high and absolutely no grip when it is lower. The Orange foam has a denser pore structure and the tire is not as prone to chunking. It is also important to note is that BSR Blue rears are not the same as the BSR Blue fronts!

JFT:
JFT stands for Japan Foam Tire. They started the new wave of foam tires we are all using now (Blue/Blu, Green/Greene, Dbl Blue, etc). These tires are a little different than the BSR tire family, but work in very similar conditions. They offers four varieties A (asphalt), C (carpet), S (???), and R (???). This does not mean that those types only work on that surface, but this is what they recommend.

JFT uses the same foam for fronts and rears if the color is the same.

A: Used on asphalt, considered close to the natural rubber variety and are named consistently with other natural tires.
C: Used on carpet, considered a blend.
S: Used on carpet?, tires are ???
R: Used on carpet?, tires are ???

For setup, the JFT foam seem to generate more bite than the BSR, therefore the car tends to be a little more aggressive.

Ulti:
Ulti is another Japanese brand that offers an array of compounds. They have their own way of rating tires, and are difficult to equate to other brands. They have 4 different varieties, each in varying degrees of hardness.

J: High rubber content tire, similar to Pink/ Magenta. Soft would be close to a pink. These offer the most bite and are great for asphalt/carpet front tire. (J hard being very popular)
X: "Balanced" blend, similar to JFT Blue/ Green. Soft is equivalent to Green, medium to Blue in hardness. Great for carpet!
Y: High synthetic blend with lower grip, and is not a very popular variety.
Z: A very expensive "special" foam that is supposed to be magic on asphalt. Only make it in soft shore.
European tires:
There are many great European foam tire brands that use their own types of foam, as well as traditional foams. SOmeone with more knowledge about them will need to fill this in!

Tire Diameter:
If you are racing on carpet, you have to evaluate how much grip your track has. If your track is low to medium grip, you can run bigger tires. If you are on higher bite you have to cut them smaller, there is simply no way around it. Bigger tires are needed for asphalt, especially in the rear. The larger tires provide much needed lateral bite.

Carpet (mm):
Low - Medium Bite
Front: 42.0 - 42.5
Rear: 42.5 - 43.00
Medium - High Bite
Front: 40.5 - 41.0
Rear: 41.5 - 42.0
Big Race
Front: 39.5 - 40.0
Rear: 40.5 - 41.0
Asphalt (mm):
Parking Lot
Front: 43.0 - 44.0
Rear: 44.0 - 45.0
Prepped High Bite
Front: 42.0 - 43.0
Rear: 43.0 - 44.0

Tire Saucing:
Most facilities have moved towards odorless traction additives such as SXT. Some of additives evaporate very quickly and some do not. This seems to be something that is also dependent on tire compound and ambient temperature. For example, saucing a Green compound seems like it never dries, especially when tjhe temperature is lower. We have found that wiping the tires off 15 minutes before we go run allows the sauce to cure, which makes the car come in much quicker with Green rears. Blue compounds on the other hand, do fine when wiped off right before hitting the track.

Saucing half front and full rear is a good initial starting point. If the front of the car is too agressive you can sauce les than half, or for a shorter amount of time.
Tire Fuzzing:
In conditions of increasing grip, foam tires will somewtimes get sticky and pick up fuzz and debris from the track. This is highly dependent on the rubber sedan tire that is being run at your local track and the compound/ type of foam you are running on you car. The softer the sedan tire and the harder/higher rubber content in your foam tire, trouble with fuzzing seems more likely to occur.

There are ways to get around fuzzing under most conditions, and usually involves the selection of the correct foam compound. The more fuzz you get, the softer/lower rubber content you want to run.

Examples:
Problem: Car fuzzes with Lilac/Team Purple fronts and car starts pushing.
Solution: Use a softer front tire and or different family of foam. Replace it with Blue or Double Blue front.

Problem: Car loses rear bite 6 minutes into the run. Blue rear tires look almost clean but have small carpet hairs.
Solution: Use Green rear tires. The softer compound wears instead of getting sticky, minimizing fuzz.

Tire Selection:
Starting out, pick 2 tire compounds for the front and rear. The following should have you covered 99% of the time.

Front - Green and Blue (BSR) or Green and Light Blue (JFT)
Rear - Blue and Double Blue (BSR) or Blue and Dark Blue (JFT)

You may wonder about other compounds out there and if they might be better, trust me, they probably won't be. Even if there are other tires that can be as fast, the synthetic family wears out really fast and the high natural rubber will probably fuzz on you over an 8 minute run. The blends family seems to be the most versatile foam type available today. They last awhile, and sticking to them will make your process of tire selection simpler.
Tire Charts:
BSR/CRC/Jaco



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ELECTRONICS:
ESC:
As of now, ROAR is staying 1S (3.7V nominal; 4.2V fully charged) for 1/12. There are many 1S ESC's with a built in BEC so nothing else is required to power the receiver and servo.

If you don't want to lock yourself into a 1S specific ESC, you do have other options! It is possible to use your 2S ESC without a booster or receiver pack, and the ESC simply supplies the lower voltage. If that does not appeal to you, you will need to use an Rx pack or booster. The Rx pack and booster will both supply the receiver with a higher voltage than the 1S pack.

If you decide to use an Rx pack, MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THE RED WIRE FROM THE ESC PLUG THAT GOES INTO THE RECEIVER!!!

If you choose to use a voltage booster, it works exactly how it sounds. Instead of plugging the ESC into the receiver, it plugs into the booster, and the booster plug goes to the ESC, supplying the higher voltage.

1S ESC:
If there are any missing please add them!!

If anyone would like a need for a chart comparing the ESC's specs PM fenton06 and I'll get one made and put in here!
Voltage Boosters:
If there are any missing please add them!
Servos:
BODIES:
Black Art (CRC - US Dist):
  • Audi R8C - BA002 - .020 Thick



  • Black Market (Mohawk 12) - BA005 - .020



  • Lola B10 - BA006 - .020 thick
  • Toyota TS030 - BA008 - .020 thick

    Lola - black/red, TS030 - green/pink


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Old 01-08-2009, 11:28 AM   #30286
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Will you be selling just the pod assembly
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Is Jaco coming out with a yellow/gray rear tire like the CRC gray-low?
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Slapmaster- that car looks good, any thought to making the front end holes for the new Assoc front end??
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Slapmaster- that car looks good, any thought to making the front end holes for the new Assoc front end??
Yeah what he said!
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The problem with selling just the pod is that you would have to start with a C12 chassis. The rear pivot socket screw hole has to be located within about .150" of the rear edge of the chassis in order to get the pod to fit. If you wanted to trim off the front set of holes from the pod the C12 style uses, then you can use only Asc style bars.... life should be fine then. You can not bolt (or I should say you should not) up to the front set of lower plate holes with an Asc t-bar... it will make the wheel base about .300" longer. You want to keep 12th scale car's wheel base between 196 to 200mm. It would be easy for me to package up the parts for sale once everything is in stock.

The new 12R front end does not have the same bolt pattern as everything else, therefore it wont work. I have considered machining up a lower arm mount that would use the 1.4" center pattern. I do not think that I will get the same ride height range needed in order to run tires to 40.0mm.

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Carbon Joe, I finally got the rollout spreadsheet to work. That thing is awesome. Thanks bro!
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I have a few questions I have been pondering lately that I'd like to hear others opinions on.

How essential is it to polish the king pin on a a typical 12th front end?

How much of a difference does using lube on your king pins make?---> On a scale of one to ten with ten being a change in tire compound and 1 being a 1 mm shift in your body rearward.

Do y'all drive your car as fast as it will go for all 8 minutes, or do you run the first 2-3 minutes easy and then pick up the pace? The idea here is that if you go out running your car too hard you will "use up" your sauce causing lap times to drop off . . .

Discuss . . .!
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Is Jaco coming out with a yellow/gray rear tire like the CRC gray-low?
yes, but if you cant wait the crc gray low is jaco rubber
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I have a few questions I have been pondering lately that I'd like to hear others opinions on.

How essential is it to polish the king pin on a a typical 12th front end?

How much of a difference does using lube on your king pins make?---> On a scale of one to ten with ten being a change in tire compound and 1 being a 1 mm shift in your body rearward.

Do y'all drive your car as fast as it will go for all 8 minutes, or do you run the first 2-3 minutes easy and then pick up the pace? The idea here is that if you go out running your car too hard you will "use up" your sauce causing lap times to drop off . . .

Discuss . . .!
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I guess that I have not gone through the trouble to polish a king pin so long as it's smooth in the first place.

Lube; I either use it or don't. If the track is bumpy, I will try to use 30K on IRS coated balls to slow down the car from going full on Hobby Horse, 50K if its a CRC ball & pin. The lube will initiate the car slightly more on turn in then if they were dry. I don't feel it's a major tuning aid.

I am careful on the opening lap so that I don't do anything stupid and then it's an 8 minute sprint to the end. My opening or 2nd lap is usually .2-.3th faster then the last.
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I guess that I have not gone through the trouble to polish a king pin so long as it's smooth in the first place.

Lube; I either use it or don't. If the track is bumpy, I will try to use 30K on IRS coated balls to slow down the car from going full on Hobby Horse, 50K if its a CRC ball & pin. The lube will initiate the car slightly more on turn in then if they were dry. I don't feel it's a major tuning aid.

I am careful on the opening lap so that I don't do anything stupid and then it's an 8 minute sprint to the end. My opening or 2nd lap is usually .2-.3th faster then the last.
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Ive noticed that you can drive a tbar car harder for 8 mins. I set my old link cars and my BMI car to start off pushy for the first 2 mins or so and then they work themselves in.
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yes, but if you cant wait the crc gray low is jaco rubber
Has anyone noticed that the crc gray-lo's sometimes comes with yellows in the boxes? It has been 25% of the time for me.
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[QUOTE=xtrememadness;5268880]yes, but if you cant wait the crc gray low is jaco rubber[/QUOTE

frank does not use jaco rubber
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yes, but if you cant wait the crc gray low is jaco rubber[/QUOTE

frank does not use jaco rubber
im pretty sure he does. only parma was using grp but they screwed them so now they are getting it from jaco on black prizm wheels.
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im pretty sure he does. only parma was using grp but they screwed them so now they are getting it from jaco on black prizm wheels.

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Brian the new car looks great. When can I order or preorder one? Thanks
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