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TIRES:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the US:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the Europe:
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Gluing your own donuts:
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The following information came from HERE, with some editing and information added. Thanks Christian!

THIS MAY NEED UPDATING FOR THE NEW BLACK CRC CARPET

Brands:
BSR, CRC, Jaco:
Pro One is no longer selling to the public, but it and the brands above are all mounted by BSR and use the same foam. The nomenclature of the BSR vs Jaco/CRC is a little different in a few instances but is otherwise the same. The BSR foam consists of three families, and can be identifed as synthetics, naturals, and blends.

Synthetics - The old school, light weight, easy to true "dry feeling" tires. These include tires like CRC/Jaco Yellow (BSR White), Black, Gray, etc. These tires offer the highest wear rate and lowest grip. Many racers continue to use these nder high bite conditions.

Naturals - These tires are usually the best alternative for low bite and asphalt. They include Pink, Magenta, Double Pink, Lilac (BSR Team Purple), Purple, and other tires. These tires provide a ton of grip, but tend to get sticky in high bite conditions. This rubber does not wear as easily, and the cars will pick up gunk and fibers from the carpet under most high bite conditions. This is especially bad if the humidity is high.

Blends - These are the tires most people run today. They were initially called "JFT foam" by some, as it was believed that the tires were the same as the JFT tires. We can divide the blends further into two groups: high rubber and low rubber content. The high rubber would be the new rear Orange and Red from the BSR family, and the low rubber would be the Green and Blue varieties. When, asked about the difference, John Foister from BSR Tires said they came from the same "family" of foam, but they offered different grip. According to John, the Green/Blue has more bite than Orange/Red, but from track testing Oranges offer more bite than Green (being equivalent to in hardness) when the grip is high and absolutely no grip when it is lower. The Orange foam has a denser pore structure and the tire is not as prone to chunking. It is also important to note is that BSR Blue rears are not the same as the BSR Blue fronts!

JFT:
JFT stands for Japan Foam Tire. They started the new wave of foam tires we are all using now (Blue/Blu, Green/Greene, Dbl Blue, etc). These tires are a little different than the BSR tire family, but work in very similar conditions. They offers four varieties A (asphalt), C (carpet), S (???), and R (???). This does not mean that those types only work on that surface, but this is what they recommend.

JFT uses the same foam for fronts and rears if the color is the same.

A: Used on asphalt, considered close to the natural rubber variety and are named consistently with other natural tires.
C: Used on carpet, considered a blend.
S: Used on carpet?, tires are ???
R: Used on carpet?, tires are ???

For setup, the JFT foam seem to generate more bite than the BSR, therefore the car tends to be a little more aggressive.

Ulti:
Ulti is another Japanese brand that offers an array of compounds. They have their own way of rating tires, and are difficult to equate to other brands. They have 4 different varieties, each in varying degrees of hardness.

J: High rubber content tire, similar to Pink/ Magenta. Soft would be close to a pink. These offer the most bite and are great for asphalt/carpet front tire. (J hard being very popular)
X: "Balanced" blend, similar to JFT Blue/ Green. Soft is equivalent to Green, medium to Blue in hardness. Great for carpet!
Y: High synthetic blend with lower grip, and is not a very popular variety.
Z: A very expensive "special" foam that is supposed to be magic on asphalt. Only make it in soft shore.
European tires:
There are many great European foam tire brands that use their own types of foam, as well as traditional foams. SOmeone with more knowledge about them will need to fill this in!

Tire Diameter:
If you are racing on carpet, you have to evaluate how much grip your track has. If your track is low to medium grip, you can run bigger tires. If you are on higher bite you have to cut them smaller, there is simply no way around it. Bigger tires are needed for asphalt, especially in the rear. The larger tires provide much needed lateral bite.

Carpet (mm):
Low - Medium Bite
Front: 42.0 - 42.5
Rear: 42.5 - 43.00
Medium - High Bite
Front: 40.5 - 41.0
Rear: 41.5 - 42.0
Big Race
Front: 39.5 - 40.0
Rear: 40.5 - 41.0
Asphalt (mm):
Parking Lot
Front: 43.0 - 44.0
Rear: 44.0 - 45.0
Prepped High Bite
Front: 42.0 - 43.0
Rear: 43.0 - 44.0

Tire Saucing:
Most facilities have moved towards odorless traction additives such as SXT. Some of additives evaporate very quickly and some do not. This seems to be something that is also dependent on tire compound and ambient temperature. For example, saucing a Green compound seems like it never dries, especially when tjhe temperature is lower. We have found that wiping the tires off 15 minutes before we go run allows the sauce to cure, which makes the car come in much quicker with Green rears. Blue compounds on the other hand, do fine when wiped off right before hitting the track.

Saucing half front and full rear is a good initial starting point. If the front of the car is too agressive you can sauce les than half, or for a shorter amount of time.
Tire Fuzzing:
In conditions of increasing grip, foam tires will somewtimes get sticky and pick up fuzz and debris from the track. This is highly dependent on the rubber sedan tire that is being run at your local track and the compound/ type of foam you are running on you car. The softer the sedan tire and the harder/higher rubber content in your foam tire, trouble with fuzzing seems more likely to occur.

There are ways to get around fuzzing under most conditions, and usually involves the selection of the correct foam compound. The more fuzz you get, the softer/lower rubber content you want to run.

Examples:
Problem: Car fuzzes with Lilac/Team Purple fronts and car starts pushing.
Solution: Use a softer front tire and or different family of foam. Replace it with Blue or Double Blue front.

Problem: Car loses rear bite 6 minutes into the run. Blue rear tires look almost clean but have small carpet hairs.
Solution: Use Green rear tires. The softer compound wears instead of getting sticky, minimizing fuzz.

Tire Selection:
Starting out, pick 2 tire compounds for the front and rear. The following should have you covered 99% of the time.

Front - Green and Blue (BSR) or Green and Light Blue (JFT)
Rear - Blue and Double Blue (BSR) or Blue and Dark Blue (JFT)

You may wonder about other compounds out there and if they might be better, trust me, they probably won't be. Even if there are other tires that can be as fast, the synthetic family wears out really fast and the high natural rubber will probably fuzz on you over an 8 minute run. The blends family seems to be the most versatile foam type available today. They last awhile, and sticking to them will make your process of tire selection simpler.
Tire Charts:
BSR/CRC/Jaco



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JFT (Japan Foam Tire)



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ELECTRONICS:
ESC:
As of now, ROAR is staying 1S (3.7V nominal; 4.2V fully charged) for 1/12. There are many 1S ESC's with a built in BEC so nothing else is required to power the receiver and servo.

If you don't want to lock yourself into a 1S specific ESC, you do have other options! It is possible to use your 2S ESC without a booster or receiver pack, and the ESC simply supplies the lower voltage. If that does not appeal to you, you will need to use an Rx pack or booster. The Rx pack and booster will both supply the receiver with a higher voltage than the 1S pack.

If you decide to use an Rx pack, MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THE RED WIRE FROM THE ESC PLUG THAT GOES INTO THE RECEIVER!!!

If you choose to use a voltage booster, it works exactly how it sounds. Instead of plugging the ESC into the receiver, it plugs into the booster, and the booster plug goes to the ESC, supplying the higher voltage.

1S ESC:
If there are any missing please add them!!

If anyone would like a need for a chart comparing the ESC's specs PM fenton06 and I'll get one made and put in here!
Voltage Boosters:
If there are any missing please add them!
Servos:
BODIES:
Black Art (CRC - US Dist):
  • Audi R8C - BA002 - .020 Thick



  • Black Market (Mohawk 12) - BA005 - .020



  • Lola B10 - BA006 - .020 thick
  • Toyota TS030 - BA008 - .020 thick

    Lola - black/red, TS030 - green/pink


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Old 04-29-2008, 11:16 AM   #28606
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If I was racing taxi cabs, I would paint it like an Iraqi Taxi,
Would that make it a....wait for it....Iraxi?

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Would that make it a....wait for it....Iraxi?

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Or a Boston or NYC cab.... they speak the same language... I think.
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ohh what fun those Iraxi's were. Fun times...wandering around the desert with a pack on my back and a gun in my hands.
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If I was running .18 on frontend with XXPink/Orange tires and car was working very well. Do you guys think that Purple tires and .16 give it close to the same feel?
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"At this point as a noob in 1/12th scale I think it's time I stop listening to everyone else and figure it out for myself. Yes he shouldn't have used the word exactly because that was inaccurate."

I don't think you should put stuff like that on here mate, I for one have tried to give you as much help and advice as possible and to get that as a reply, well that's crappy to say the least.
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So I was reading on another thread that in '08 the 13.5 will be merged with 19t to create the new super stock under ROAR; and in relation to the earlier discussion about running brushed with brushless esc and the hobby going to brushless over brushed. Considering this yrs ruling of 17.5 as stock and next yr's change I'm wondering just how many will switch back to brushed? I'm no expert and each type of car; 1/12, TC, or offroad, may see slightly different compairison results. But I'm having trouble seeing 13.5 keeping pace with a handwound 19t, has anyone tried an side-by-side in their 1/12?

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But I'm having trouble seeing 13.5 keeping pace with a handwound 19t, has anyone tried an side-by-side in their 1/12?
It won't, but it will be a non-issue. The 19T motor (and the 10.5 running with it this year) disappears and the only motor in SuperStock effective Jan 1, 2009 will be the 13.5.

Stock will continue as a brushed/brushless class for the 17.5's and 27T motors.
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Hmm well I got a different inference baised on what was posted:

Super Stock is what ROAR is or is going to call the "19t" class. Since it no longer is a "19t" only class with brushless being allowed.

I read that to mean that both would be allowed in the class, but to be fair its not '08 yet and things may change. As for the source of this quote its as Sean typed it, his wife is the ROAR pres so I'm guessing he got it straight from the top.
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I want to start running 1/12 scale so I'm seriously looking for a used chassis with spare parts. I'm not sure what chassis I want so any offers will be considered.
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I read that to mean that both would be allowed in the class, but to be fair its not '08 yet and things may change.
Superstock is 13.5 only (no 19T brushed) in 2008 per the rules set out earlier this year.

If I remember correctly, stock will be 17.5 BL and stock brushed again in 08.
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Hmm well I got a different inference baised on what was posted:

Super Stock is what ROAR is or is going to call the "19t" class. Since it no longer is a "19t" only class with brushless being allowed.

I read that to mean that both would be allowed in the class, but to be fair its not '08 yet and things may change. As for the source of this quote its as Sean typed it, his wife is the ROAR pres so I'm guessing he got it straight from the top.
NP Chris. I checked my understanding of this directly with Dawn. 2008 (this year) is an "interim" spec year for SuperStock and they're allowing the "legacy" 19T motors to be run with the 10.5 bl motors. 2009 will be the first year of the intended SuperStock spec and will be 13.5 only. I'm sure clubs will continue to support some 19T for a while (ours will at least through spring '09 as we will not change rules mid-season) but they will no longer be a ROAR-recognized motor.
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19t is a touch slower then 10.5 and much faster then 13.5. If this is the rule change for 08 it will bring back the brushed technology once again.

Also a very well tuned 27t is a bit faster then 17.5. Evidence of this was at the recent carpet nats. Only one brushless car made the show (Chuck Lonergan).

These rules will hurt brushless racing at major events because people are simply going to run what is faster...
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Ah, another dream dashed. I'm a hack driver AND a real bastard to boot...



I kinda like "pedantic" (my friend Bambi calls me that). And "bastard". I'll answer to "cranky sob".

Any time, big guy. Wish like hell I raced somewhere where I had you available to sort out questions. You, Bodine or Jason B...I'd never figure anything out on my own again.
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19t is a touch slower then 10.5 and much faster then 13.5. If this is the rule change for 08 it will bring back the brushed technology once again.

Also a very well tuned 27t is a bit faster then 17.5. Evidence of this was at the recent carpet nats. Only one brushless car made the show (Chuck Lonergan).

These rules will hurt brushless racing at major events because people are simply going to run what is faster...
Yeah I second this. I have seen plenty of 17.5's that were way too slow, so they decide to gear up to keep up and they blow up. That rhymed. Anyway, right now I like tuning my motors and knowing they are cheaper and faster I will keep on using them until BL technology gets better and smaller(for ESC's).
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But I'm having trouble seeing 13.5 keeping pace with a handwound 19t, has anyone tried an side-by-side in their 1/12?

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Hmm well I got a different inference baised on what was posted:

Super Stock is what ROAR is or is going to call the "19t" class. Since it no longer is a "19t" only class with brushless being allowed.

I read that to mean that both would be allowed in the class, but to be fair its not '08 yet and things may change. As for the source of this quote its as Sean typed it, his wife is the ROAR pres so I'm guessing he got it straight from the top.
I'd JUST noticed the "handwound" in your first post. Handwound has never been, to my knowledge, legal in 19T spec classes (ie any ROAR event). I believe the oval guys have 19T handwound motors but they aren't for road-course use or off-road (absent "house rules" that may allow them).

From my limited experience a 13.5 won't keep up with a decent 19T Spec motor, popping a handwound in there is just piling on the advantage.
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