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TIRES:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the US:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the Europe:
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Gluing your own donuts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7z1rz-74s - Special thanks to Edward Pickering!
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The following information came from HERE, with some editing and information added. Thanks Christian!

THIS MAY NEED UPDATING FOR THE NEW BLACK CRC CARPET

Brands:
BSR, CRC, Jaco:
Pro One is no longer selling to the public, but it and the brands above are all mounted by BSR and use the same foam. The nomenclature of the BSR vs Jaco/CRC is a little different in a few instances but is otherwise the same. The BSR foam consists of three families, and can be identifed as synthetics, naturals, and blends.

Synthetics - The old school, light weight, easy to true "dry feeling" tires. These include tires like CRC/Jaco Yellow (BSR White), Black, Gray, etc. These tires offer the highest wear rate and lowest grip. Many racers continue to use these nder high bite conditions.

Naturals - These tires are usually the best alternative for low bite and asphalt. They include Pink, Magenta, Double Pink, Lilac (BSR Team Purple), Purple, and other tires. These tires provide a ton of grip, but tend to get sticky in high bite conditions. This rubber does not wear as easily, and the cars will pick up gunk and fibers from the carpet under most high bite conditions. This is especially bad if the humidity is high.

Blends - These are the tires most people run today. They were initially called "JFT foam" by some, as it was believed that the tires were the same as the JFT tires. We can divide the blends further into two groups: high rubber and low rubber content. The high rubber would be the new rear Orange and Red from the BSR family, and the low rubber would be the Green and Blue varieties. When, asked about the difference, John Foister from BSR Tires said they came from the same "family" of foam, but they offered different grip. According to John, the Green/Blue has more bite than Orange/Red, but from track testing Oranges offer more bite than Green (being equivalent to in hardness) when the grip is high and absolutely no grip when it is lower. The Orange foam has a denser pore structure and the tire is not as prone to chunking. It is also important to note is that BSR Blue rears are not the same as the BSR Blue fronts!

JFT:
JFT stands for Japan Foam Tire. They started the new wave of foam tires we are all using now (Blue/Blu, Green/Greene, Dbl Blue, etc). These tires are a little different than the BSR tire family, but work in very similar conditions. They offers four varieties A (asphalt), C (carpet), S (???), and R (???). This does not mean that those types only work on that surface, but this is what they recommend.

JFT uses the same foam for fronts and rears if the color is the same.

A: Used on asphalt, considered close to the natural rubber variety and are named consistently with other natural tires.
C: Used on carpet, considered a blend.
S: Used on carpet?, tires are ???
R: Used on carpet?, tires are ???

For setup, the JFT foam seem to generate more bite than the BSR, therefore the car tends to be a little more aggressive.

Ulti:
Ulti is another Japanese brand that offers an array of compounds. They have their own way of rating tires, and are difficult to equate to other brands. They have 4 different varieties, each in varying degrees of hardness.

J: High rubber content tire, similar to Pink/ Magenta. Soft would be close to a pink. These offer the most bite and are great for asphalt/carpet front tire. (J hard being very popular)
X: "Balanced" blend, similar to JFT Blue/ Green. Soft is equivalent to Green, medium to Blue in hardness. Great for carpet!
Y: High synthetic blend with lower grip, and is not a very popular variety.
Z: A very expensive "special" foam that is supposed to be magic on asphalt. Only make it in soft shore.
European tires:
There are many great European foam tire brands that use their own types of foam, as well as traditional foams. SOmeone with more knowledge about them will need to fill this in!

Tire Diameter:
If you are racing on carpet, you have to evaluate how much grip your track has. If your track is low to medium grip, you can run bigger tires. If you are on higher bite you have to cut them smaller, there is simply no way around it. Bigger tires are needed for asphalt, especially in the rear. The larger tires provide much needed lateral bite.

Carpet (mm):
Low - Medium Bite
Front: 42.0 - 42.5
Rear: 42.5 - 43.00
Medium - High Bite
Front: 40.5 - 41.0
Rear: 41.5 - 42.0
Big Race
Front: 39.5 - 40.0
Rear: 40.5 - 41.0
Asphalt (mm):
Parking Lot
Front: 43.0 - 44.0
Rear: 44.0 - 45.0
Prepped High Bite
Front: 42.0 - 43.0
Rear: 43.0 - 44.0

Tire Saucing:
Most facilities have moved towards odorless traction additives such as SXT. Some of additives evaporate very quickly and some do not. This seems to be something that is also dependent on tire compound and ambient temperature. For example, saucing a Green compound seems like it never dries, especially when tjhe temperature is lower. We have found that wiping the tires off 15 minutes before we go run allows the sauce to cure, which makes the car come in much quicker with Green rears. Blue compounds on the other hand, do fine when wiped off right before hitting the track.

Saucing half front and full rear is a good initial starting point. If the front of the car is too agressive you can sauce les than half, or for a shorter amount of time.
Tire Fuzzing:
In conditions of increasing grip, foam tires will somewtimes get sticky and pick up fuzz and debris from the track. This is highly dependent on the rubber sedan tire that is being run at your local track and the compound/ type of foam you are running on you car. The softer the sedan tire and the harder/higher rubber content in your foam tire, trouble with fuzzing seems more likely to occur.

There are ways to get around fuzzing under most conditions, and usually involves the selection of the correct foam compound. The more fuzz you get, the softer/lower rubber content you want to run.

Examples:
Problem: Car fuzzes with Lilac/Team Purple fronts and car starts pushing.
Solution: Use a softer front tire and or different family of foam. Replace it with Blue or Double Blue front.

Problem: Car loses rear bite 6 minutes into the run. Blue rear tires look almost clean but have small carpet hairs.
Solution: Use Green rear tires. The softer compound wears instead of getting sticky, minimizing fuzz.

Tire Selection:
Starting out, pick 2 tire compounds for the front and rear. The following should have you covered 99% of the time.

Front - Green and Blue (BSR) or Green and Light Blue (JFT)
Rear - Blue and Double Blue (BSR) or Blue and Dark Blue (JFT)

You may wonder about other compounds out there and if they might be better, trust me, they probably won't be. Even if there are other tires that can be as fast, the synthetic family wears out really fast and the high natural rubber will probably fuzz on you over an 8 minute run. The blends family seems to be the most versatile foam type available today. They last awhile, and sticking to them will make your process of tire selection simpler.
Tire Charts:
BSR/CRC/Jaco



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ELECTRONICS:
ESC:
As of now, ROAR is staying 1S (3.7V nominal; 4.2V fully charged) for 1/12. There are many 1S ESC's with a built in BEC so nothing else is required to power the receiver and servo.

If you don't want to lock yourself into a 1S specific ESC, you do have other options! It is possible to use your 2S ESC without a booster or receiver pack, and the ESC simply supplies the lower voltage. If that does not appeal to you, you will need to use an Rx pack or booster. The Rx pack and booster will both supply the receiver with a higher voltage than the 1S pack.

If you decide to use an Rx pack, MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THE RED WIRE FROM THE ESC PLUG THAT GOES INTO THE RECEIVER!!!

If you choose to use a voltage booster, it works exactly how it sounds. Instead of plugging the ESC into the receiver, it plugs into the booster, and the booster plug goes to the ESC, supplying the higher voltage.

1S ESC:
If there are any missing please add them!!

If anyone would like a need for a chart comparing the ESC's specs PM fenton06 and I'll get one made and put in here!
Voltage Boosters:
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Servos:
BODIES:
Black Art (CRC - US Dist):
  • Audi R8C - BA002 - .020 Thick



  • Black Market (Mohawk 12) - BA005 - .020



  • Lola B10 - BA006 - .020 thick
  • Toyota TS030 - BA008 - .020 thick

    Lola - black/red, TS030 - green/pink


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Old 10-09-2007, 01:24 PM   #27136
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Grey and Black is my favorite combo for high bite. Unfortunately we do not have Blacks available (yet) in Pro 38. The bite at the IIC was high and the tires of choice (in stock) were Parma Pro 38 Grey/Magenta or Jaco Yellow/Lilac. We had to run our Magentas very small with a little sidewall glue, and the cars were dialed. If we had blacks available they I think they would have been useful
I was running Stock with Pro38 Magenta Front and rear. 1.68 fronts glued sidewall outside and inside and 1.74 rears no glue.
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Tom, are you going to be in attendance tues. or this saturday?
I heard Big Dads had a good turnout of 12ths........

All those boxes of foam need track time!

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Hey Mark,
I won't make it down to RC Plus tonight but I will be racing there this Saturday.

Yes, the largest class at BigDads has been 1/12th.
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Old 10-09-2007, 03:37 PM   #27138
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Hi all,
Im looking at getting into 12th scale maybe. Just wanted too know what would be a fairly competive chassis but cheap(if possible) that i could pick up second hand. Our local club may be bringing in 12th scale but only with stock motors or slower so i dont need the car to be top of the range.

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Old 10-09-2007, 04:16 PM   #27139
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Hello There, 6g72tt I used to run a L4 try this setup:


Fronts Jaco Prizim Lilac's
1 degree camber
.020 front spring

Center Spring/shock run The Olive spring to start out with as the bite comes up got to the silver use 30w oil

Dampner disk's use the diff lube that came with the car Associated Siliocone grease #6636

T-plate run the .075 t-plate

Rear Jaco prizim Yellow's
Not sure what motor your running If your running thr 19t Komodo try a 96/32 or 33 with green springs and a F-brush

hope this help's
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Hey Mike,

Thanks for the help. what difference will i see running the 0.75 plate as to the 0.63 plate?

Also is that gearing for tires brand new out of the box, or should i true em down, what about gluing the sidewalls? no glue, just outside or both?

1/12 is pretty new to me but i can see why people love it so much. I am running the komodo as well.

thanks
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Hi all,
Im looking at getting into 12th scale maybe. Just wanted too know what would be a fairly competive chassis but cheap(if possible) that i could pick up second hand. Our local club may be bringing in 12th scale but only with stock motors or slower so i dont need the car to be top of the range.

Thankyou!
how cheap is the cheap you refer to ? Just look arround in trade forum or ebay, there should be many used 1/12th scale listed time to time. many of them might come with extra stuff to save your some money.

I am newb in 12th scale myself. I got a CRC 3.2R and felt happy running it.
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Old 10-09-2007, 04:45 PM   #27141
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Hey Mike,

Thanks for the help. what difference will i see running the 0.75 plate as to the 0.63 plate?

Also is that gearing for tires brand new out of the box, or should i true em down, what about gluing the sidewalls? no glue, just outside or both?

1/12 is pretty new to me but i can see why people love it so much. I am running the komodo as well.

thanks
Thickness of the T-plate will give more or less flex to your rear pod. That something so said in the L3 manual
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Hey 6g72tt,

The difference between the two are the .063 plate is a thinner T-plate (more flex) you can use for low bite carpet or asphat tracks this plate provides more grip.

The .075 is stiffer (less flex)you can use this when the bite comes up this plate is thicker.It also give you more steering.

As for gluing the side walls you can glue the front side wall you can use this as a tunning aid if your front has a bite to much steering this aid will clam the front down.start off with out and see how your car feels first and then try it out and see how it feels to ya.

Tire size I would recommend a 1.70" front and a 1.80" rear keep your ride height about 3.5 mm front and rear. this tire size is a good balance between longevity and performance.

Hope this helps if ya need more help feel free to ask.
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Hey Mike,

Thanks for the help. what difference will i see running the 0.75 plate as to the 0.63 plate?

Also is that gearing for tires brand new out of the box, or should i true em down, what about gluing the sidewalls? no glue, just outside or both?

1/12 is pretty new to me but i can see why people love it so much. I am running the komodo as well.

thanks
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Hey 6g72tt,

The difference between the two are the .063 plate is a thinner T-plate (more flex) you can use for low bite carpet or asphat tracks this plate provides more grip.

The .075 is stiffer (less flex)you can use this when the bite comes up this plate is thicker.It also give you more steering.

As for gluing the side walls you can glue the front side wall you can use this as a tunning aid if your front has a bite to much steering this aid will clam the front down.start off with out and see how your car feels first and then try it out and see how it feels to ya.

Tire size I would recommend a 1.70" front and a 1.80" rear keep your ride height about 3.5 mm front and rear. this tire size is a good balance between longevity and performance.

Hope this helps if ya need more help feel free to ask.
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What is a good body to run, is there much difference with 1/12 scale. I have a parma speed 8 or the protoform ???? can't remember...

and 2 sets of tires should be enough correct?
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at the big events most guys(and girls)use the Speed 8 or Speed 12b for stock racing....and the speed 12 for modified...

anyone who was at Vegas correct me if I am wrong please...
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i could use some gearing help from some of you 12th scale gurus.

what is a good starting gearing for a 10.5 and a 13.5 Brushless setup with tires at the size of 1.8 and i beleive 1.7? your help is greatly appreciated. im going out to practice tomorrow and dont have a clue what to gear it.


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at the big events most guys(and girls)use the Speed 8 or Speed 12b for stock racing....and the speed 12 for modified...

anyone who was at Vegas correct me if I am wrong please...
Mainly Speed 12's and Speed 8's with some Speed 8HD's and Speed 12b's in the mix.
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at the big events most guys(and girls)use the Speed 8 or Speed 12b for stock racing....and the speed 12 for modified...

anyone who was at Vegas correct me if I am wrong please...
i agree with that. I run the speed 8 for stock and for mod i use the 12 or hd speed 8.
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Looks like most racers posting here are using Parma Pro 38's and going to the new Jaco Prisim.

Anyone still using CRC High Rollers?

I sealed up many boxes left from last year and planned to use them this winter. Was hoping that I would not have to purchase many tires this year.
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I am using CRC High Rollers. At first, I wasn't sure which tire compounds came in the kit (Gen-X kit, purple and grey). I also tried the new Jaco, but I like the feel of the kit tires the best.

The Jaco Prizm rim is so soft, plus I ripped one off the left hub on what I think was a very light hit. Looking closely at the rims, it appears that the CRC wheel has more plastic bracing around the wheel mounting holes. The ribs flow into the wheel mounting holes on the CRC wheel. The Jaco wheel mounting area is just plain with no gussetting or bracing from the ribs.

I will be sticking with the High Rollers, maybe at some point I will try the Parmas.
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