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TIRES:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the US:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the Europe:
  • Hot Race ??

Gluing your own donuts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7z1rz-74s - Special thanks to Edward Pickering!
Truing tires:
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The following information came from HERE, with some editing and information added. Thanks Christian!

THIS MAY NEED UPDATING FOR THE NEW BLACK CRC CARPET

Brands:
BSR, CRC, Jaco:
Pro One is no longer selling to the public, but it and the brands above are all mounted by BSR and use the same foam. The nomenclature of the BSR vs Jaco/CRC is a little different in a few instances but is otherwise the same. The BSR foam consists of three families, and can be identifed as synthetics, naturals, and blends.

Synthetics - The old school, light weight, easy to true "dry feeling" tires. These include tires like CRC/Jaco Yellow (BSR White), Black, Gray, etc. These tires offer the highest wear rate and lowest grip. Many racers continue to use these nder high bite conditions.

Naturals - These tires are usually the best alternative for low bite and asphalt. They include Pink, Magenta, Double Pink, Lilac (BSR Team Purple), Purple, and other tires. These tires provide a ton of grip, but tend to get sticky in high bite conditions. This rubber does not wear as easily, and the cars will pick up gunk and fibers from the carpet under most high bite conditions. This is especially bad if the humidity is high.

Blends - These are the tires most people run today. They were initially called "JFT foam" by some, as it was believed that the tires were the same as the JFT tires. We can divide the blends further into two groups: high rubber and low rubber content. The high rubber would be the new rear Orange and Red from the BSR family, and the low rubber would be the Green and Blue varieties. When, asked about the difference, John Foister from BSR Tires said they came from the same "family" of foam, but they offered different grip. According to John, the Green/Blue has more bite than Orange/Red, but from track testing Oranges offer more bite than Green (being equivalent to in hardness) when the grip is high and absolutely no grip when it is lower. The Orange foam has a denser pore structure and the tire is not as prone to chunking. It is also important to note is that BSR Blue rears are not the same as the BSR Blue fronts!

JFT:
JFT stands for Japan Foam Tire. They started the new wave of foam tires we are all using now (Blue/Blu, Green/Greene, Dbl Blue, etc). These tires are a little different than the BSR tire family, but work in very similar conditions. They offers four varieties A (asphalt), C (carpet), S (???), and R (???). This does not mean that those types only work on that surface, but this is what they recommend.

JFT uses the same foam for fronts and rears if the color is the same.

A: Used on asphalt, considered close to the natural rubber variety and are named consistently with other natural tires.
C: Used on carpet, considered a blend.
S: Used on carpet?, tires are ???
R: Used on carpet?, tires are ???

For setup, the JFT foam seem to generate more bite than the BSR, therefore the car tends to be a little more aggressive.

Ulti:
Ulti is another Japanese brand that offers an array of compounds. They have their own way of rating tires, and are difficult to equate to other brands. They have 4 different varieties, each in varying degrees of hardness.

J: High rubber content tire, similar to Pink/ Magenta. Soft would be close to a pink. These offer the most bite and are great for asphalt/carpet front tire. (J hard being very popular)
X: "Balanced" blend, similar to JFT Blue/ Green. Soft is equivalent to Green, medium to Blue in hardness. Great for carpet!
Y: High synthetic blend with lower grip, and is not a very popular variety.
Z: A very expensive "special" foam that is supposed to be magic on asphalt. Only make it in soft shore.
European tires:
There are many great European foam tire brands that use their own types of foam, as well as traditional foams. SOmeone with more knowledge about them will need to fill this in!

Tire Diameter:
If you are racing on carpet, you have to evaluate how much grip your track has. If your track is low to medium grip, you can run bigger tires. If you are on higher bite you have to cut them smaller, there is simply no way around it. Bigger tires are needed for asphalt, especially in the rear. The larger tires provide much needed lateral bite.

Carpet (mm):
Low - Medium Bite
Front: 42.0 - 42.5
Rear: 42.5 - 43.00
Medium - High Bite
Front: 40.5 - 41.0
Rear: 41.5 - 42.0
Big Race
Front: 39.5 - 40.0
Rear: 40.5 - 41.0
Asphalt (mm):
Parking Lot
Front: 43.0 - 44.0
Rear: 44.0 - 45.0
Prepped High Bite
Front: 42.0 - 43.0
Rear: 43.0 - 44.0

Tire Saucing:
Most facilities have moved towards odorless traction additives such as SXT. Some of additives evaporate very quickly and some do not. This seems to be something that is also dependent on tire compound and ambient temperature. For example, saucing a Green compound seems like it never dries, especially when tjhe temperature is lower. We have found that wiping the tires off 15 minutes before we go run allows the sauce to cure, which makes the car come in much quicker with Green rears. Blue compounds on the other hand, do fine when wiped off right before hitting the track.

Saucing half front and full rear is a good initial starting point. If the front of the car is too agressive you can sauce les than half, or for a shorter amount of time.
Tire Fuzzing:
In conditions of increasing grip, foam tires will somewtimes get sticky and pick up fuzz and debris from the track. This is highly dependent on the rubber sedan tire that is being run at your local track and the compound/ type of foam you are running on you car. The softer the sedan tire and the harder/higher rubber content in your foam tire, trouble with fuzzing seems more likely to occur.

There are ways to get around fuzzing under most conditions, and usually involves the selection of the correct foam compound. The more fuzz you get, the softer/lower rubber content you want to run.

Examples:
Problem: Car fuzzes with Lilac/Team Purple fronts and car starts pushing.
Solution: Use a softer front tire and or different family of foam. Replace it with Blue or Double Blue front.

Problem: Car loses rear bite 6 minutes into the run. Blue rear tires look almost clean but have small carpet hairs.
Solution: Use Green rear tires. The softer compound wears instead of getting sticky, minimizing fuzz.

Tire Selection:
Starting out, pick 2 tire compounds for the front and rear. The following should have you covered 99% of the time.

Front - Green and Blue (BSR) or Green and Light Blue (JFT)
Rear - Blue and Double Blue (BSR) or Blue and Dark Blue (JFT)

You may wonder about other compounds out there and if they might be better, trust me, they probably won't be. Even if there are other tires that can be as fast, the synthetic family wears out really fast and the high natural rubber will probably fuzz on you over an 8 minute run. The blends family seems to be the most versatile foam type available today. They last awhile, and sticking to them will make your process of tire selection simpler.
Tire Charts:
BSR/CRC/Jaco



Contact



Corally



JFT (Japan Foam Tire)



Ulti



Enneti (Xceed)



ELECTRONICS:
ESC:
As of now, ROAR is staying 1S (3.7V nominal; 4.2V fully charged) for 1/12. There are many 1S ESC's with a built in BEC so nothing else is required to power the receiver and servo.

If you don't want to lock yourself into a 1S specific ESC, you do have other options! It is possible to use your 2S ESC without a booster or receiver pack, and the ESC simply supplies the lower voltage. If that does not appeal to you, you will need to use an Rx pack or booster. The Rx pack and booster will both supply the receiver with a higher voltage than the 1S pack.

If you decide to use an Rx pack, MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THE RED WIRE FROM THE ESC PLUG THAT GOES INTO THE RECEIVER!!!

If you choose to use a voltage booster, it works exactly how it sounds. Instead of plugging the ESC into the receiver, it plugs into the booster, and the booster plug goes to the ESC, supplying the higher voltage.

1S ESC:
If there are any missing please add them!!

If anyone would like a need for a chart comparing the ESC's specs PM fenton06 and I'll get one made and put in here!
Voltage Boosters:
If there are any missing please add them!
Servos:
BODIES:
Black Art (CRC - US Dist):
  • Audi R8C - BA002 - .020 Thick



  • Black Market (Mohawk 12) - BA005 - .020



  • Lola B10 - BA006 - .020 thick
  • Toyota TS030 - BA008 - .020 thick

    Lola - black/red, TS030 - green/pink


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Old 11-06-2001, 07:27 PM   #256
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Thanks....i'm new to 1/12, and love it...some local tracks are running 4 cell and some 6...hadnt run at the 6 cell track yet, and was looking for a starting point...i'll prolly just drop a couple teeth.
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Thanks....i'm new to 1/12, and love it...some local tracks are running 4 cell and some 6...hadnt run at the 6 cell track yet, and was looking for a starting point...i'll prolly just drop a couple teeth.
so what gear ratio you are talking about after changing?
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I'd like to know what tire truers you guys use for your 1/12th scale wheels? Specifically, if you have your own truer what brand it is, and how you would rate it? Also, what truer you would recommend for 1/12th (3 hole rear) and 1/10th TC wheels?
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Old 11-07-2001, 09:05 AM   #259
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I have an old Serpent truer. It's basically a low end Hudy. If I were to buy one now I'd get the Ofna. It does virtually everything the HUDY does, but for around $150 or so less. Ofna makes adapters for both touring car and 1/12 scale wheels for the truer.

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anyone know who to clean the flang bearings on the axis?
what should i do?
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Trips: Is the Ofna tire truer an automatic truer like the Hudy? I really don't want an automatic truer, but at that price why not??? Can you suggest a source? Thanks.
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Geppetto, try www.stormerhobbies.com
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Gepetto--

Yes it's an automatic, but at less than $250 it's a sweet deal. By the way, all the Hudy arbors fit it just in case Ofna doesn't have an arbor for your particular application you have another source.

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Manticore.....I ran 25/86 with 4 cell on a 50' by 90' track.....i'll prolly drop down 3 teeth and go from there......I just heard we've got a new Ozite track coming to Bossier city in Louisiana....for 1/12 and Sedans.....
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Manticore.....I ran 25/86 with 4 cell on a 50' by 90' track.....i'll prolly drop down 3 teeth and go from there......I just heard we've got a new Ozite track coming to Bossier city in Louisiana....for 1/12 and Sedans.....
you need way higher gear ratio for mod motor. we run a 15T at 24/25 to 100 spur gear with 6 cells.
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Any comments on the Corally 12M? I'm thinking about getting one for carpet. Also looked at Associated, CRC, and Speed Merchant. Any strong feelings?
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What are they made from? Are they plastic and if so is there an upgrade to alloy bulkheads?
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RacerTex: I came very close to buying the Corally 12M, but changed my mind at the last minute. I was concerned about the availability of parts, and the proprietary wheels used on the Corally car. I would need to special order any broken parts, and stockpile extra wheels in the event of a chunk, since my LHS doesn't carry the Corally wheels. Another concern for me was support. I contacted Corally, but at this point they do not have any setup information for the the 12M. This would mean that I would be on my own in determining what setup would be required for this car.

I ended up trading my new XXX-S for a new SpeedMerchant. On the SpeedMerhcant about 85% of the parts are Associated, and the wheels are easy to find. These same advantages apply to the Carpet Knife.
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It is quite easy to order Corally parts via the internet ( http://www.rccarinternational.com ), and the wheels and espacially the tires glued to the rims are quite cheap. I think thats an advantage of the Corally cars, but after all I run an Associated. But to get the right tires for Associated is not so easy for me and they are very expensive. Do you have a source where to buy JACO cheap via the internet?
About the 12M: we had some serious discussion obout this car recently but ended in ordering the old G3. This car is a proven design and has (allways in 6 cell modified format, dont have any ideas about 4 cell racing) some advantages over the Associated. With the 12M Corally wanted to improve especially the asphalt/outdoor performance, wich is not an issue here. Last but not least until now there is no 6 cell carbon fibre saddle pack version available.
This are all just my personal opinions, but I still would go for the CRC if running 4 cell.
I heard about a class raced in Japan: 6-cell stick packs. Does anybody know something about it? Does anybody have mor info on the recently held Japanese 1/12 national championship?
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Drifter: Corally USA (in Florida) would probably be a good source here in the US for Corally parts. The problem is, that would require at least a 3 day wait for replacement parts. On a race day that would be frustrating. Concerning the foam mounted wheels, I've only raced on carpet, and TRC or Proline/Jaco are the choice. Everyone seems to go with the Jaco purple fronts and grey or white rears.

4 cell 1/12th is what I was thinking of. I have not seen a 1/12th car run with 6 cells in it. Like you, I recommend the Carpet Knife also. I found it to be a great car when I first started racing 1/12th.
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