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KITS:
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TIRES:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the US:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the Europe:
  • Hot Race ??

Gluing your own donuts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7z1rz-74s - Special thanks to Edward Pickering!
Truing tires:
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The following information came from HERE, with some editing and information added. Thanks Christian!

THIS MAY NEED UPDATING FOR THE NEW BLACK CRC CARPET

Brands:
BSR, CRC, Jaco:
Pro One is no longer selling to the public, but it and the brands above are all mounted by BSR and use the same foam. The nomenclature of the BSR vs Jaco/CRC is a little different in a few instances but is otherwise the same. The BSR foam consists of three families, and can be identifed as synthetics, naturals, and blends.

Synthetics - The old school, light weight, easy to true "dry feeling" tires. These include tires like CRC/Jaco Yellow (BSR White), Black, Gray, etc. These tires offer the highest wear rate and lowest grip. Many racers continue to use these nder high bite conditions.

Naturals - These tires are usually the best alternative for low bite and asphalt. They include Pink, Magenta, Double Pink, Lilac (BSR Team Purple), Purple, and other tires. These tires provide a ton of grip, but tend to get sticky in high bite conditions. This rubber does not wear as easily, and the cars will pick up gunk and fibers from the carpet under most high bite conditions. This is especially bad if the humidity is high.

Blends - These are the tires most people run today. They were initially called "JFT foam" by some, as it was believed that the tires were the same as the JFT tires. We can divide the blends further into two groups: high rubber and low rubber content. The high rubber would be the new rear Orange and Red from the BSR family, and the low rubber would be the Green and Blue varieties. When, asked about the difference, John Foister from BSR Tires said they came from the same "family" of foam, but they offered different grip. According to John, the Green/Blue has more bite than Orange/Red, but from track testing Oranges offer more bite than Green (being equivalent to in hardness) when the grip is high and absolutely no grip when it is lower. The Orange foam has a denser pore structure and the tire is not as prone to chunking. It is also important to note is that BSR Blue rears are not the same as the BSR Blue fronts!

JFT:
JFT stands for Japan Foam Tire. They started the new wave of foam tires we are all using now (Blue/Blu, Green/Greene, Dbl Blue, etc). These tires are a little different than the BSR tire family, but work in very similar conditions. They offers four varieties A (asphalt), C (carpet), S (???), and R (???). This does not mean that those types only work on that surface, but this is what they recommend.

JFT uses the same foam for fronts and rears if the color is the same.

A: Used on asphalt, considered close to the natural rubber variety and are named consistently with other natural tires.
C: Used on carpet, considered a blend.
S: Used on carpet?, tires are ???
R: Used on carpet?, tires are ???

For setup, the JFT foam seem to generate more bite than the BSR, therefore the car tends to be a little more aggressive.

Ulti:
Ulti is another Japanese brand that offers an array of compounds. They have their own way of rating tires, and are difficult to equate to other brands. They have 4 different varieties, each in varying degrees of hardness.

J: High rubber content tire, similar to Pink/ Magenta. Soft would be close to a pink. These offer the most bite and are great for asphalt/carpet front tire. (J hard being very popular)
X: "Balanced" blend, similar to JFT Blue/ Green. Soft is equivalent to Green, medium to Blue in hardness. Great for carpet!
Y: High synthetic blend with lower grip, and is not a very popular variety.
Z: A very expensive "special" foam that is supposed to be magic on asphalt. Only make it in soft shore.
European tires:
There are many great European foam tire brands that use their own types of foam, as well as traditional foams. SOmeone with more knowledge about them will need to fill this in!

Tire Diameter:
If you are racing on carpet, you have to evaluate how much grip your track has. If your track is low to medium grip, you can run bigger tires. If you are on higher bite you have to cut them smaller, there is simply no way around it. Bigger tires are needed for asphalt, especially in the rear. The larger tires provide much needed lateral bite.

Carpet (mm):
Low - Medium Bite
Front: 42.0 - 42.5
Rear: 42.5 - 43.00
Medium - High Bite
Front: 40.5 - 41.0
Rear: 41.5 - 42.0
Big Race
Front: 39.5 - 40.0
Rear: 40.5 - 41.0
Asphalt (mm):
Parking Lot
Front: 43.0 - 44.0
Rear: 44.0 - 45.0
Prepped High Bite
Front: 42.0 - 43.0
Rear: 43.0 - 44.0

Tire Saucing:
Most facilities have moved towards odorless traction additives such as SXT. Some of additives evaporate very quickly and some do not. This seems to be something that is also dependent on tire compound and ambient temperature. For example, saucing a Green compound seems like it never dries, especially when tjhe temperature is lower. We have found that wiping the tires off 15 minutes before we go run allows the sauce to cure, which makes the car come in much quicker with Green rears. Blue compounds on the other hand, do fine when wiped off right before hitting the track.

Saucing half front and full rear is a good initial starting point. If the front of the car is too agressive you can sauce les than half, or for a shorter amount of time.
Tire Fuzzing:
In conditions of increasing grip, foam tires will somewtimes get sticky and pick up fuzz and debris from the track. This is highly dependent on the rubber sedan tire that is being run at your local track and the compound/ type of foam you are running on you car. The softer the sedan tire and the harder/higher rubber content in your foam tire, trouble with fuzzing seems more likely to occur.

There are ways to get around fuzzing under most conditions, and usually involves the selection of the correct foam compound. The more fuzz you get, the softer/lower rubber content you want to run.

Examples:
Problem: Car fuzzes with Lilac/Team Purple fronts and car starts pushing.
Solution: Use a softer front tire and or different family of foam. Replace it with Blue or Double Blue front.

Problem: Car loses rear bite 6 minutes into the run. Blue rear tires look almost clean but have small carpet hairs.
Solution: Use Green rear tires. The softer compound wears instead of getting sticky, minimizing fuzz.

Tire Selection:
Starting out, pick 2 tire compounds for the front and rear. The following should have you covered 99% of the time.

Front - Green and Blue (BSR) or Green and Light Blue (JFT)
Rear - Blue and Double Blue (BSR) or Blue and Dark Blue (JFT)

You may wonder about other compounds out there and if they might be better, trust me, they probably won't be. Even if there are other tires that can be as fast, the synthetic family wears out really fast and the high natural rubber will probably fuzz on you over an 8 minute run. The blends family seems to be the most versatile foam type available today. They last awhile, and sticking to them will make your process of tire selection simpler.
Tire Charts:
BSR/CRC/Jaco



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JFT (Japan Foam Tire)



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Enneti (Xceed)



ELECTRONICS:
ESC:
As of now, ROAR is staying 1S (3.7V nominal; 4.2V fully charged) for 1/12. There are many 1S ESC's with a built in BEC so nothing else is required to power the receiver and servo.

If you don't want to lock yourself into a 1S specific ESC, you do have other options! It is possible to use your 2S ESC without a booster or receiver pack, and the ESC simply supplies the lower voltage. If that does not appeal to you, you will need to use an Rx pack or booster. The Rx pack and booster will both supply the receiver with a higher voltage than the 1S pack.

If you decide to use an Rx pack, MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THE RED WIRE FROM THE ESC PLUG THAT GOES INTO THE RECEIVER!!!

If you choose to use a voltage booster, it works exactly how it sounds. Instead of plugging the ESC into the receiver, it plugs into the booster, and the booster plug goes to the ESC, supplying the higher voltage.

1S ESC:
If there are any missing please add them!!

If anyone would like a need for a chart comparing the ESC's specs PM fenton06 and I'll get one made and put in here!
Voltage Boosters:
If there are any missing please add them!
Servos:
BODIES:
Black Art (CRC - US Dist):
  • Audi R8C - BA002 - .020 Thick



  • Black Market (Mohawk 12) - BA005 - .020



  • Lola B10 - BA006 - .020 thick
  • Toyota TS030 - BA008 - .020 thick

    Lola - black/red, TS030 - green/pink


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Old 09-17-2007, 09:21 AM   #26956
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Hello,
I have a question on mounting the servo. It seems 50/50 on how people mount them. I think I want to mount mine flat. My question is how are you guys doing that? I canít seem to find a mount made to do that. This is for a 12l4.

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I use double sided tape, If you mount your servo flat i think you chance the ackerman...
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Old 09-17-2007, 02:34 PM   #26958
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it's pretty hard to beat the basic plastic/graphite servo mounts that AE supplies with the 12L kits. they are super inexpensive (like about $2 a pair), they are light, they are durable, and they stay put. for putting the servo on an angle, you can set the servo at whatever height you want and drill your own mounting holes (only one on each side is necessary). And if you want the servo flat, just turn the same plastic mounts around backwards so the straight side faces the front of the car and the angled side is towards the back, and once again drill your own holes at whatever height you desire the servo to be. the top of the plastic mounts will stick up some, but they are easily cut off with a dremel cutting disc so they are flush with the top of the servo (so they look better and to save every last gram of unnecessary weight). Once again, the AE kit mounts work great for most any application, flat or angled and you just can't beat the price.
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it's pretty hard to beat the basic plastic/graphite servo mounts that AE supplies with the 12L kits. they are super inexpensive (like about $2 a pair), they are light, they are durable, and they stay put. for putting the servo on an angle, you can set the servo at whatever height you want and drill your own mounting holes (only one on each side is necessary). And if you want the servo flat, just turn the same plastic mounts around backwards so the straight side faces the front of the car and the angled side is towards the back, and once again drill your own holes at whatever height you desire the servo to be. the top of the plastic mounts will stick up some, but they are easily cut off with a dremel cutting disc so they are flush with the top of the servo (so they look better and to save every last gram of unnecessary weight). Once again, the AE kit mounts work great for most any application, flat or angled and you just can't beat the price.

Do you have a part number?
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Do you have a part number?
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8435 - Servo Mount & Screws, come will 4 screws, cost less than $2
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O.K. this might be a silly question but where can i get the carpet used for indoor racing? I have access to a small warehouse and would like to practice on it.
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Thanks for the compliment

One thing I forgot to mention about tires and asphalt: Experiment! different aggregates have different bite characteristics so sometimes the "normal" compounds/diameters/sauces don't work. How the surfaces are sealed or not, how porous it is and what is sprayed onto it can make a big difference. We've even run into situations where the best tire to use is good old greens (thankfully not often)
yeah i've found that pink rears seem to work the best under cold - medium heat conditions, and soft kawada rears to be the ticket when the track is hot.

We (in New Zealand) don't run tyre compounds, or any additives on the track. But we seem to have the right setups to put some good laps / times in
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Hello,
I have a question on mounting the servo. It seems 50/50 on how people mount them. I think I want to mount mine flat. My question is how are you guys doing that? I canít seem to find a mount made to do that. This is for a 12l4.

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Most people use shoe goo to mount flat servos. When you want to remove the servo it come off if you twist the servo. The remaing stuff on the chassis and servo just peels off.

If you mount the servo flat you must get taller med height ball studs for your steering spindles or you will have horrible bump toe in.

Don't use servo tape. Its too thick and makes the bump toe problem worse.

Flat servos are for carpet and angles servos are for asphalt. Flat servos generate less ackermann and make you car scrub less speed in the corners. On asphalt you need the ackerman to get more steering.
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OD, do you have a puck conversion for the OD12? P2 had told me what to do to put a puck on the OD12, but I know I would mess it up, and it would look all jacked up.
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OD, do you have a puck conversion for the OD12? P2 had told me what to do to put a puck on the OD12, but I know I would mess it up, and it would look all jacked up.
Your confidence is underwhelming!

Paul was running car that way for a while and liked it, but since he went to tubes he likes it better that way. I was going to do a damper disc version but lost interest after P2 quit running it that way. I may still do it at some point, but its not high on the list, to be honest. If you want to try it I can get together with Paul and make up a kit you
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Your confidence is underwhelming!
It really is not that bad my confidence lately. Their really is no hurry for it. I will wait till you do decide to come out with a puck version for now. Thanks anyways. I have tried to make the pieces for the puck conversion and it did not come out right. Plus, it took patients to deal with the grinding and cutting, which right now I have no tolerence for. I just want to blot it up setup the car and go race. I have gone back to a puck car for right now because it feels more consistant to me as of now. The tubes were getting to be a pain in the butt with popping off when i would hit a wall and get runned over becoming useless after that. Not also to mention to find the right viscosity of fluid to put in the tubes to suit my needs for the rear pod.
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It really is not that bad my confidence lately. Their really is no hurry for it. I will wait till you do decide to come out with a puck version for now. Thanks anyways. I have tried to make the pieces for the puck conversion and it did not come out right. Plus, it took patients to deal with the grinding and cutting, which right now I have no tolerence for. I just want to blot it up setup the car and go race. I have gone back to a puck car for right now because it feels more consistant to me as of now. The tubes were getting to be a pain in the butt with popping off when i would hit a wall and get runned over becoming useless after that. Not also to mention to find the right viscosity of fluid to put in the tubes to suit my needs for the rear pod.
Just busting your chops, man I can understand someone not wanting to hack it together themselves, that's why I do what I do. As soon as we have something I will let you know
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Orion Vortex Brushless Motors

anyone had chance to run 1 yet on 4 cell?

how'd they go compared to LRP, Novak items etc ?
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