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TIRES:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the US:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the Europe:
  • Hot Race ??

Gluing your own donuts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7z1rz-74s - Special thanks to Edward Pickering!
Truing tires:
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The following information came from HERE, with some editing and information added. Thanks Christian!

THIS MAY NEED UPDATING FOR THE NEW BLACK CRC CARPET

Brands:
BSR, CRC, Jaco:
Pro One is no longer selling to the public, but it and the brands above are all mounted by BSR and use the same foam. The nomenclature of the BSR vs Jaco/CRC is a little different in a few instances but is otherwise the same. The BSR foam consists of three families, and can be identifed as synthetics, naturals, and blends.

Synthetics - The old school, light weight, easy to true "dry feeling" tires. These include tires like CRC/Jaco Yellow (BSR White), Black, Gray, etc. These tires offer the highest wear rate and lowest grip. Many racers continue to use these nder high bite conditions.

Naturals - These tires are usually the best alternative for low bite and asphalt. They include Pink, Magenta, Double Pink, Lilac (BSR Team Purple), Purple, and other tires. These tires provide a ton of grip, but tend to get sticky in high bite conditions. This rubber does not wear as easily, and the cars will pick up gunk and fibers from the carpet under most high bite conditions. This is especially bad if the humidity is high.

Blends - These are the tires most people run today. They were initially called "JFT foam" by some, as it was believed that the tires were the same as the JFT tires. We can divide the blends further into two groups: high rubber and low rubber content. The high rubber would be the new rear Orange and Red from the BSR family, and the low rubber would be the Green and Blue varieties. When, asked about the difference, John Foister from BSR Tires said they came from the same "family" of foam, but they offered different grip. According to John, the Green/Blue has more bite than Orange/Red, but from track testing Oranges offer more bite than Green (being equivalent to in hardness) when the grip is high and absolutely no grip when it is lower. The Orange foam has a denser pore structure and the tire is not as prone to chunking. It is also important to note is that BSR Blue rears are not the same as the BSR Blue fronts!

JFT:
JFT stands for Japan Foam Tire. They started the new wave of foam tires we are all using now (Blue/Blu, Green/Greene, Dbl Blue, etc). These tires are a little different than the BSR tire family, but work in very similar conditions. They offers four varieties A (asphalt), C (carpet), S (???), and R (???). This does not mean that those types only work on that surface, but this is what they recommend.

JFT uses the same foam for fronts and rears if the color is the same.

A: Used on asphalt, considered close to the natural rubber variety and are named consistently with other natural tires.
C: Used on carpet, considered a blend.
S: Used on carpet?, tires are ???
R: Used on carpet?, tires are ???

For setup, the JFT foam seem to generate more bite than the BSR, therefore the car tends to be a little more aggressive.

Ulti:
Ulti is another Japanese brand that offers an array of compounds. They have their own way of rating tires, and are difficult to equate to other brands. They have 4 different varieties, each in varying degrees of hardness.

J: High rubber content tire, similar to Pink/ Magenta. Soft would be close to a pink. These offer the most bite and are great for asphalt/carpet front tire. (J hard being very popular)
X: "Balanced" blend, similar to JFT Blue/ Green. Soft is equivalent to Green, medium to Blue in hardness. Great for carpet!
Y: High synthetic blend with lower grip, and is not a very popular variety.
Z: A very expensive "special" foam that is supposed to be magic on asphalt. Only make it in soft shore.
European tires:
There are many great European foam tire brands that use their own types of foam, as well as traditional foams. SOmeone with more knowledge about them will need to fill this in!

Tire Diameter:
If you are racing on carpet, you have to evaluate how much grip your track has. If your track is low to medium grip, you can run bigger tires. If you are on higher bite you have to cut them smaller, there is simply no way around it. Bigger tires are needed for asphalt, especially in the rear. The larger tires provide much needed lateral bite.

Carpet (mm):
Low - Medium Bite
Front: 42.0 - 42.5
Rear: 42.5 - 43.00
Medium - High Bite
Front: 40.5 - 41.0
Rear: 41.5 - 42.0
Big Race
Front: 39.5 - 40.0
Rear: 40.5 - 41.0
Asphalt (mm):
Parking Lot
Front: 43.0 - 44.0
Rear: 44.0 - 45.0
Prepped High Bite
Front: 42.0 - 43.0
Rear: 43.0 - 44.0

Tire Saucing:
Most facilities have moved towards odorless traction additives such as SXT. Some of additives evaporate very quickly and some do not. This seems to be something that is also dependent on tire compound and ambient temperature. For example, saucing a Green compound seems like it never dries, especially when tjhe temperature is lower. We have found that wiping the tires off 15 minutes before we go run allows the sauce to cure, which makes the car come in much quicker with Green rears. Blue compounds on the other hand, do fine when wiped off right before hitting the track.

Saucing half front and full rear is a good initial starting point. If the front of the car is too agressive you can sauce les than half, or for a shorter amount of time.
Tire Fuzzing:
In conditions of increasing grip, foam tires will somewtimes get sticky and pick up fuzz and debris from the track. This is highly dependent on the rubber sedan tire that is being run at your local track and the compound/ type of foam you are running on you car. The softer the sedan tire and the harder/higher rubber content in your foam tire, trouble with fuzzing seems more likely to occur.

There are ways to get around fuzzing under most conditions, and usually involves the selection of the correct foam compound. The more fuzz you get, the softer/lower rubber content you want to run.

Examples:
Problem: Car fuzzes with Lilac/Team Purple fronts and car starts pushing.
Solution: Use a softer front tire and or different family of foam. Replace it with Blue or Double Blue front.

Problem: Car loses rear bite 6 minutes into the run. Blue rear tires look almost clean but have small carpet hairs.
Solution: Use Green rear tires. The softer compound wears instead of getting sticky, minimizing fuzz.

Tire Selection:
Starting out, pick 2 tire compounds for the front and rear. The following should have you covered 99% of the time.

Front - Green and Blue (BSR) or Green and Light Blue (JFT)
Rear - Blue and Double Blue (BSR) or Blue and Dark Blue (JFT)

You may wonder about other compounds out there and if they might be better, trust me, they probably won't be. Even if there are other tires that can be as fast, the synthetic family wears out really fast and the high natural rubber will probably fuzz on you over an 8 minute run. The blends family seems to be the most versatile foam type available today. They last awhile, and sticking to them will make your process of tire selection simpler.
Tire Charts:
BSR/CRC/Jaco



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JFT (Japan Foam Tire)



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Enneti (Xceed)



ELECTRONICS:
ESC:
As of now, ROAR is staying 1S (3.7V nominal; 4.2V fully charged) for 1/12. There are many 1S ESC's with a built in BEC so nothing else is required to power the receiver and servo.

If you don't want to lock yourself into a 1S specific ESC, you do have other options! It is possible to use your 2S ESC without a booster or receiver pack, and the ESC simply supplies the lower voltage. If that does not appeal to you, you will need to use an Rx pack or booster. The Rx pack and booster will both supply the receiver with a higher voltage than the 1S pack.

If you decide to use an Rx pack, MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THE RED WIRE FROM THE ESC PLUG THAT GOES INTO THE RECEIVER!!!

If you choose to use a voltage booster, it works exactly how it sounds. Instead of plugging the ESC into the receiver, it plugs into the booster, and the booster plug goes to the ESC, supplying the higher voltage.

1S ESC:
If there are any missing please add them!!

If anyone would like a need for a chart comparing the ESC's specs PM fenton06 and I'll get one made and put in here!
Voltage Boosters:
If there are any missing please add them!
Servos:
BODIES:
Black Art (CRC - US Dist):
  • Audi R8C - BA002 - .020 Thick



  • Black Market (Mohawk 12) - BA005 - .020



  • Lola B10 - BA006 - .020 thick
  • Toyota TS030 - BA008 - .020 thick

    Lola - black/red, TS030 - green/pink


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Old 06-20-2007, 08:45 PM   #25816
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On a side note does anyone know where I could find a brand new in the package old school TOJ body? I am building a vintage rc12l and would like a body for it.
One of my local shops had some McAllister TOJ bodies still in stock last I was there. Unfortunately they don't have any on-line business.
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Old 06-20-2007, 10:17 PM   #25817
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Well I tried the search and waded through pages and didn't find anything so here's the questions that's probably been asked more than once.

What is a good 12th scale to start with. I raced touring last winter and am racing touring asphalt this summer. I moved from sportsman to stock class and want more drive time so figured 12th would be a nice fairly reasonable addition, rather than getting another touring car.

So what's a good 12th scale car to go with. At my club there's one GenX, a T-Fource, 3.2r, AE 12L4, and some others. No real parts at the LHS so it'd all be online support.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. I hope to pick up a used car over the summer and get it setup for September carpet season start. Also any electronics tips that will be helpful would be great.
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Old 06-20-2007, 10:31 PM   #25818
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Really any of the current 1/12th kits out there are good. It mainly comes down to personal preference I think. Probably the easiest to start out with is the 12L4. It is less complicated then the link cars and works well. But you have to run saddle pack batteries. If you really really really really don't want to run saddle pack batteries then cars from Darkside, BMI, CRC, and Speed Merchant should fit the bill. The only thing I would really stay away from are unknown brands with plastic or fiberglass chassis. If you had more local support I'd say go with what they carry but if your going to mail order then any of the cars really are a viable option. I put together a list of cars for another site you might find interesting.

Team Associated RC12L4
www.teamassociated.com

Calandra GenX and Carpet Knife
www.teamcrc.com

Darkside Mx2
www.darksidems.com

Diggity Designs 3D12 and CD12
http://www.diggitydesigns.com/

Slapmaster MS2.3
http://www.slapmastertools.com

Carpet Ripper 07
http://www.v-dezign.net/kits.html

BMI Racing DB12R
http://www.bmiracing.com/

Kawada M300
http://www.kawadamodel.co.jp/

Corally SP12X
http://www.corally.com/

Team Laje Speedevil
http://www.laje.se/index.php?l=eng&display=

Cyrul Engineering FX C12
http://cefxraceway.net/store/index.php3

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Old 06-20-2007, 11:18 PM   #25819
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http://www.Hyperdriveracing.com

New updated car will be ready to sell very soon!!!
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Old 06-21-2007, 12:34 AM   #25820
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We've been testing the new rims for few weeks, and they are really nice.

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Old 06-21-2007, 07:09 AM   #25821
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There are actual pictures of the wheel from the Stock Invitational at the Gate on one of the sites.
not to toot my horn but Jack was nice enough to let me have the exclusive pictures of the new 12th scale back at the stock invite in April. Josh Cyrul was dominate at that race with the new rims. I have 4 different shots of the tires starting at the link below.

click the picture on my site to get a high res version.

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Perhaps this is why Tower is not selling these remaining TOJs:

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I have to recommend the Speed Merchant car. If you need parts support and the roller, both can be had at Speed Merchant's site, and other retailers, as well.
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Thanks for the pics nashracer
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link corrected thank you
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www.cefx.net is a biscuit and hasn't been updated. when i ordered my C-12 Evo2, i used http://cefxraceway.net/store/index.php3

i saw a post somewhere on rctech or hobbytalk that IRS is supposedly releasing a new 12th car.
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The wheels were designed by Josh Cyrul and I have to say that, so far, this is the first "negative" comment regarding the design.
Fluorescent green?? This isn't RC4Less, guys.
will these also be sold as TRC/Trinity wheels in fluorescent yellow/lime like your other wheels are?

RC4less orange (spoked GQ's?) wheels, haven't had any problems with those wheels. i like their Pu-F and Ma-R.
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ok guys i want a 12th scale!

im thinking cyclone 12

what body do u guys run for stock and 19 turn 12th scale on carpet? the ones from proline?

i think its the speed12

but i like the speed12 b SOOOOO much more! i love the pan cars for the LOOOOW profile look and they are awsome on carpet. and i found i have a carpet track near me, so hey more fun! lol

anything else to know? well i mean where to start?
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ok guys i want a 12th scale!

im thinking cyclone 12

what body do u guys run for stock and 19 turn 12th scale on carpet? the ones from proline?

i think its the speed12

but i like the speed12 b SOOOOO much more! i love the pan cars for the LOOOOW profile look and they are awsome on carpet. and i found i have a carpet track near me, so hey more fun! lol

anything else to know? well i mean where to start?

I too love the sleek look of 12th scale cars, thats why I bought one, I knew nothing about them, but I knew I had to have one. The Cyclone 12 isn't out yet, and IMO (which isn't worth much) you would be better off with one of the kit just listed, like the Speedmerchant, Corally, CRC Gen X, etc.. Or go to the track and find out what people are running. As for bodies, I think someone asked that a couple pages back, maybe 2 or 3
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Carpet: Parma Speed 8 or Speed 8 HD or Protoform Speed 12B
Asphalt: Parma Speed 8 HD or Protoform Speed 12

I'm prefer the Parma shells.
Here it is, looks like 12B works on carpet
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