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TIRES:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the US:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the Europe:
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Gluing your own donuts:
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The following information came from HERE, with some editing and information added. Thanks Christian!

THIS MAY NEED UPDATING FOR THE NEW BLACK CRC CARPET

Brands:
BSR, CRC, Jaco:
Pro One is no longer selling to the public, but it and the brands above are all mounted by BSR and use the same foam. The nomenclature of the BSR vs Jaco/CRC is a little different in a few instances but is otherwise the same. The BSR foam consists of three families, and can be identifed as synthetics, naturals, and blends.

Synthetics - The old school, light weight, easy to true "dry feeling" tires. These include tires like CRC/Jaco Yellow (BSR White), Black, Gray, etc. These tires offer the highest wear rate and lowest grip. Many racers continue to use these nder high bite conditions.

Naturals - These tires are usually the best alternative for low bite and asphalt. They include Pink, Magenta, Double Pink, Lilac (BSR Team Purple), Purple, and other tires. These tires provide a ton of grip, but tend to get sticky in high bite conditions. This rubber does not wear as easily, and the cars will pick up gunk and fibers from the carpet under most high bite conditions. This is especially bad if the humidity is high.

Blends - These are the tires most people run today. They were initially called "JFT foam" by some, as it was believed that the tires were the same as the JFT tires. We can divide the blends further into two groups: high rubber and low rubber content. The high rubber would be the new rear Orange and Red from the BSR family, and the low rubber would be the Green and Blue varieties. When, asked about the difference, John Foister from BSR Tires said they came from the same "family" of foam, but they offered different grip. According to John, the Green/Blue has more bite than Orange/Red, but from track testing Oranges offer more bite than Green (being equivalent to in hardness) when the grip is high and absolutely no grip when it is lower. The Orange foam has a denser pore structure and the tire is not as prone to chunking. It is also important to note is that BSR Blue rears are not the same as the BSR Blue fronts!

JFT:
JFT stands for Japan Foam Tire. They started the new wave of foam tires we are all using now (Blue/Blu, Green/Greene, Dbl Blue, etc). These tires are a little different than the BSR tire family, but work in very similar conditions. They offers four varieties A (asphalt), C (carpet), S (???), and R (???). This does not mean that those types only work on that surface, but this is what they recommend.

JFT uses the same foam for fronts and rears if the color is the same.

A: Used on asphalt, considered close to the natural rubber variety and are named consistently with other natural tires.
C: Used on carpet, considered a blend.
S: Used on carpet?, tires are ???
R: Used on carpet?, tires are ???

For setup, the JFT foam seem to generate more bite than the BSR, therefore the car tends to be a little more aggressive.

Ulti:
Ulti is another Japanese brand that offers an array of compounds. They have their own way of rating tires, and are difficult to equate to other brands. They have 4 different varieties, each in varying degrees of hardness.

J: High rubber content tire, similar to Pink/ Magenta. Soft would be close to a pink. These offer the most bite and are great for asphalt/carpet front tire. (J hard being very popular)
X: "Balanced" blend, similar to JFT Blue/ Green. Soft is equivalent to Green, medium to Blue in hardness. Great for carpet!
Y: High synthetic blend with lower grip, and is not a very popular variety.
Z: A very expensive "special" foam that is supposed to be magic on asphalt. Only make it in soft shore.
European tires:
There are many great European foam tire brands that use their own types of foam, as well as traditional foams. SOmeone with more knowledge about them will need to fill this in!

Tire Diameter:
If you are racing on carpet, you have to evaluate how much grip your track has. If your track is low to medium grip, you can run bigger tires. If you are on higher bite you have to cut them smaller, there is simply no way around it. Bigger tires are needed for asphalt, especially in the rear. The larger tires provide much needed lateral bite.

Carpet (mm):
Low - Medium Bite
Front: 42.0 - 42.5
Rear: 42.5 - 43.00
Medium - High Bite
Front: 40.5 - 41.0
Rear: 41.5 - 42.0
Big Race
Front: 39.5 - 40.0
Rear: 40.5 - 41.0
Asphalt (mm):
Parking Lot
Front: 43.0 - 44.0
Rear: 44.0 - 45.0
Prepped High Bite
Front: 42.0 - 43.0
Rear: 43.0 - 44.0

Tire Saucing:
Most facilities have moved towards odorless traction additives such as SXT. Some of additives evaporate very quickly and some do not. This seems to be something that is also dependent on tire compound and ambient temperature. For example, saucing a Green compound seems like it never dries, especially when tjhe temperature is lower. We have found that wiping the tires off 15 minutes before we go run allows the sauce to cure, which makes the car come in much quicker with Green rears. Blue compounds on the other hand, do fine when wiped off right before hitting the track.

Saucing half front and full rear is a good initial starting point. If the front of the car is too agressive you can sauce les than half, or for a shorter amount of time.
Tire Fuzzing:
In conditions of increasing grip, foam tires will somewtimes get sticky and pick up fuzz and debris from the track. This is highly dependent on the rubber sedan tire that is being run at your local track and the compound/ type of foam you are running on you car. The softer the sedan tire and the harder/higher rubber content in your foam tire, trouble with fuzzing seems more likely to occur.

There are ways to get around fuzzing under most conditions, and usually involves the selection of the correct foam compound. The more fuzz you get, the softer/lower rubber content you want to run.

Examples:
Problem: Car fuzzes with Lilac/Team Purple fronts and car starts pushing.
Solution: Use a softer front tire and or different family of foam. Replace it with Blue or Double Blue front.

Problem: Car loses rear bite 6 minutes into the run. Blue rear tires look almost clean but have small carpet hairs.
Solution: Use Green rear tires. The softer compound wears instead of getting sticky, minimizing fuzz.

Tire Selection:
Starting out, pick 2 tire compounds for the front and rear. The following should have you covered 99% of the time.

Front - Green and Blue (BSR) or Green and Light Blue (JFT)
Rear - Blue and Double Blue (BSR) or Blue and Dark Blue (JFT)

You may wonder about other compounds out there and if they might be better, trust me, they probably won't be. Even if there are other tires that can be as fast, the synthetic family wears out really fast and the high natural rubber will probably fuzz on you over an 8 minute run. The blends family seems to be the most versatile foam type available today. They last awhile, and sticking to them will make your process of tire selection simpler.
Tire Charts:
BSR/CRC/Jaco



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JFT (Japan Foam Tire)



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Enneti (Xceed)



ELECTRONICS:
ESC:
As of now, ROAR is staying 1S (3.7V nominal; 4.2V fully charged) for 1/12. There are many 1S ESC's with a built in BEC so nothing else is required to power the receiver and servo.

If you don't want to lock yourself into a 1S specific ESC, you do have other options! It is possible to use your 2S ESC without a booster or receiver pack, and the ESC simply supplies the lower voltage. If that does not appeal to you, you will need to use an Rx pack or booster. The Rx pack and booster will both supply the receiver with a higher voltage than the 1S pack.

If you decide to use an Rx pack, MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THE RED WIRE FROM THE ESC PLUG THAT GOES INTO THE RECEIVER!!!

If you choose to use a voltage booster, it works exactly how it sounds. Instead of plugging the ESC into the receiver, it plugs into the booster, and the booster plug goes to the ESC, supplying the higher voltage.

1S ESC:
If there are any missing please add them!!

If anyone would like a need for a chart comparing the ESC's specs PM fenton06 and I'll get one made and put in here!
Voltage Boosters:
If there are any missing please add them!
Servos:
BODIES:
Black Art (CRC - US Dist):
  • Audi R8C - BA002 - .020 Thick



  • Black Market (Mohawk 12) - BA005 - .020



  • Lola B10 - BA006 - .020 thick
  • Toyota TS030 - BA008 - .020 thick

    Lola - black/red, TS030 - green/pink


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Old 04-11-2007, 03:24 PM   #24811
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Don't the two of you go through this every thousand posts of this thread?
Nah, its been a while since I got into it with the link guys. Jason has been pinch hitting for me over the last few months...lol!

I am just yanking their chains for my personal entertainment...i'll quit now
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how is it a copy
and i do more laps with my gen
and lap times are better
it looks like i know what im doing
and its not lazy

to be honest,its not a bad thing for the front end to be based off or have it be a slightly changed version of the AE front end.the AE front end design is hands down the best design for a 1/12th car or 1/10th pan car.for CRC to veer from that would have been trying to re invent the wheel.i think it was a good idea for them to base it off of the AE front end with there own spin on it.im not a big fan of the pivot ball setup but it seems to have the same basic geometry as the AE with some slight change ups.there may be some issues with it but in reality should be pretty close to the same feel from what i can see.i never tried it and dont plan to because of the pivot ball setup so i cant say for sure.i honestly would have liked a duplicate of the AE front end but just accurate.im not picky,i just want to throw it together and run. instead i need to blueprint it.
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Nah, its been a while since I got into it with the link guys. Jason has been pinch hitting for me over the last few months...lol!

I am just yanking their chains for my personal entertainment...i'll quit now

im not a natural like you though,i got pinched for saying only a few digs.
i gave up,some guys really take offense when you dont like another car.sometimes i forget and post diggers.
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"Cypress - as far as 2006 and 2007 T- bars wins...how's this:

2006 IFMAR Worlds...on Carpet
2007 Snowbirds Mod...on Carpet
2007 EFRA Euros...on Carpet"


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2006 Vegas....on Carpet
2006 Cleveland....on Carpet
2007 Nats (all classes)....on Carpet
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Heck Jason...your latest beautiful 1/12th creation is half link car half bar car.
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Heck Jason...your latest beautiful 1/12th creation is half link car half bar car.
Shhhh....its a flex plate car.....no links except from the servo saver to the steering knuckle where they belong
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Shhhh....its a flex plate car.....no links except from the servo saver to the steering knuckle where they belong
It's a flex plate in it's pod's side to side rotation...but front to back it acts like a link car.
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"Cypress - as far as 2006 and 2007 T- bars wins...how's this:

2006 IFMAR Worlds...on Carpet
2007 Snowbirds Mod...on Carpet
2007 EFRA Euros...on Carpet"


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2006 Vegas....on Carpet
2006 Cleveland....on Carpet
2007 Nats (all classes)....on Carpet
So that's three titles for Bar cars last season, and three titles for link cars at at ONE EVENT. Of course you could always throw Drew's Stock win at Cleveland in with the bar T-guys.

I'm not bashing T-bar cars, I'm just pointing out to all the Link-haters that the cars are just as fast.
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It's a flex plate in it's pod's side to side rotation...but front to back it acts like a link car.
Which helps it overcome the T-bars Achille's heel, any track not as flat as a pool table.
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"Cypress - as far as 2006 and 2007 T- bars wins...how's this:

2006 IFMAR Worlds...on Carpet
2007 Snowbirds Mod...on Carpet
2007 EFRA Euros...on Carpet"


SpeedMerchant.....
2006 Vegas....on Carpet
2006 Cleveland....on Carpet
2007 Nats (all classes)....on Carpet

2006 Vegas... Tbar won stock, link won mod
2006 Cleveland....Tbar won stock & 19T, link won mod
2007 Snowbirds....link won stock, Tbar won mod

This argument reminds me of the old Miller Lite ads....
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This argument reminds me of the old Miller Lite ads....
Good one, James. Now we need a Spokes-model for each side
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Heck Jason...your latest beautiful 1/12th creation is half link car half bar car.
i like the ideas behind both types of cars.i like that the link cars have the isolation of rear suspension and the T bars for there progressive side spring tension.so i decided to try to get a little of both.it worked out great.
the only problem i ran into was a starting point for setup.neither a T bar or link car standard setup worked very well.i needed to figure that one out

i have it sorted now and am very happy i was able to acomplish the project.link cars and T bar cars do both have there high point as do they have there flaws.it comes down to which you prefer.i prefer a little of both
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i like the ideas behind both types of cars.i like that the link cars have the isolation of rear suspension and the T bars for there progressive side spring tension.so i decided to try to get a little of both.it worked out great.
the only problem i ran into was a starting point for setup.neither a T bar or link car standard setup worked very well.i needed to figure that one out

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I love my Darkside but I am really fascinated by your design as well. I think you and Darkside hit on something really important in setup of a link style car and that is how far outboard the springs are. Darkside has 3 positions for mounting the roll springs...yours has the low maintenance and probably more progressive rate of fiberglass. I'd love to see a cross between the 2 cars using the in-line battery of the Darkside and the fiberglass side links of your car.
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