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TIRES:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the US:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the Europe:
  • Hot Race ??

Gluing your own donuts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7z1rz-74s - Special thanks to Edward Pickering!
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The following information came from HERE, with some editing and information added. Thanks Christian!

THIS MAY NEED UPDATING FOR THE NEW BLACK CRC CARPET

Brands:
BSR, CRC, Jaco:
Pro One is no longer selling to the public, but it and the brands above are all mounted by BSR and use the same foam. The nomenclature of the BSR vs Jaco/CRC is a little different in a few instances but is otherwise the same. The BSR foam consists of three families, and can be identifed as synthetics, naturals, and blends.

Synthetics - The old school, light weight, easy to true "dry feeling" tires. These include tires like CRC/Jaco Yellow (BSR White), Black, Gray, etc. These tires offer the highest wear rate and lowest grip. Many racers continue to use these nder high bite conditions.

Naturals - These tires are usually the best alternative for low bite and asphalt. They include Pink, Magenta, Double Pink, Lilac (BSR Team Purple), Purple, and other tires. These tires provide a ton of grip, but tend to get sticky in high bite conditions. This rubber does not wear as easily, and the cars will pick up gunk and fibers from the carpet under most high bite conditions. This is especially bad if the humidity is high.

Blends - These are the tires most people run today. They were initially called "JFT foam" by some, as it was believed that the tires were the same as the JFT tires. We can divide the blends further into two groups: high rubber and low rubber content. The high rubber would be the new rear Orange and Red from the BSR family, and the low rubber would be the Green and Blue varieties. When, asked about the difference, John Foister from BSR Tires said they came from the same "family" of foam, but they offered different grip. According to John, the Green/Blue has more bite than Orange/Red, but from track testing Oranges offer more bite than Green (being equivalent to in hardness) when the grip is high and absolutely no grip when it is lower. The Orange foam has a denser pore structure and the tire is not as prone to chunking. It is also important to note is that BSR Blue rears are not the same as the BSR Blue fronts!

JFT:
JFT stands for Japan Foam Tire. They started the new wave of foam tires we are all using now (Blue/Blu, Green/Greene, Dbl Blue, etc). These tires are a little different than the BSR tire family, but work in very similar conditions. They offers four varieties A (asphalt), C (carpet), S (???), and R (???). This does not mean that those types only work on that surface, but this is what they recommend.

JFT uses the same foam for fronts and rears if the color is the same.

A: Used on asphalt, considered close to the natural rubber variety and are named consistently with other natural tires.
C: Used on carpet, considered a blend.
S: Used on carpet?, tires are ???
R: Used on carpet?, tires are ???

For setup, the JFT foam seem to generate more bite than the BSR, therefore the car tends to be a little more aggressive.

Ulti:
Ulti is another Japanese brand that offers an array of compounds. They have their own way of rating tires, and are difficult to equate to other brands. They have 4 different varieties, each in varying degrees of hardness.

J: High rubber content tire, similar to Pink/ Magenta. Soft would be close to a pink. These offer the most bite and are great for asphalt/carpet front tire. (J hard being very popular)
X: "Balanced" blend, similar to JFT Blue/ Green. Soft is equivalent to Green, medium to Blue in hardness. Great for carpet!
Y: High synthetic blend with lower grip, and is not a very popular variety.
Z: A very expensive "special" foam that is supposed to be magic on asphalt. Only make it in soft shore.
European tires:
There are many great European foam tire brands that use their own types of foam, as well as traditional foams. SOmeone with more knowledge about them will need to fill this in!

Tire Diameter:
If you are racing on carpet, you have to evaluate how much grip your track has. If your track is low to medium grip, you can run bigger tires. If you are on higher bite you have to cut them smaller, there is simply no way around it. Bigger tires are needed for asphalt, especially in the rear. The larger tires provide much needed lateral bite.

Carpet (mm):
Low - Medium Bite
Front: 42.0 - 42.5
Rear: 42.5 - 43.00
Medium - High Bite
Front: 40.5 - 41.0
Rear: 41.5 - 42.0
Big Race
Front: 39.5 - 40.0
Rear: 40.5 - 41.0
Asphalt (mm):
Parking Lot
Front: 43.0 - 44.0
Rear: 44.0 - 45.0
Prepped High Bite
Front: 42.0 - 43.0
Rear: 43.0 - 44.0

Tire Saucing:
Most facilities have moved towards odorless traction additives such as SXT. Some of additives evaporate very quickly and some do not. This seems to be something that is also dependent on tire compound and ambient temperature. For example, saucing a Green compound seems like it never dries, especially when tjhe temperature is lower. We have found that wiping the tires off 15 minutes before we go run allows the sauce to cure, which makes the car come in much quicker with Green rears. Blue compounds on the other hand, do fine when wiped off right before hitting the track.

Saucing half front and full rear is a good initial starting point. If the front of the car is too agressive you can sauce les than half, or for a shorter amount of time.
Tire Fuzzing:
In conditions of increasing grip, foam tires will somewtimes get sticky and pick up fuzz and debris from the track. This is highly dependent on the rubber sedan tire that is being run at your local track and the compound/ type of foam you are running on you car. The softer the sedan tire and the harder/higher rubber content in your foam tire, trouble with fuzzing seems more likely to occur.

There are ways to get around fuzzing under most conditions, and usually involves the selection of the correct foam compound. The more fuzz you get, the softer/lower rubber content you want to run.

Examples:
Problem: Car fuzzes with Lilac/Team Purple fronts and car starts pushing.
Solution: Use a softer front tire and or different family of foam. Replace it with Blue or Double Blue front.

Problem: Car loses rear bite 6 minutes into the run. Blue rear tires look almost clean but have small carpet hairs.
Solution: Use Green rear tires. The softer compound wears instead of getting sticky, minimizing fuzz.

Tire Selection:
Starting out, pick 2 tire compounds for the front and rear. The following should have you covered 99% of the time.

Front - Green and Blue (BSR) or Green and Light Blue (JFT)
Rear - Blue and Double Blue (BSR) or Blue and Dark Blue (JFT)

You may wonder about other compounds out there and if they might be better, trust me, they probably won't be. Even if there are other tires that can be as fast, the synthetic family wears out really fast and the high natural rubber will probably fuzz on you over an 8 minute run. The blends family seems to be the most versatile foam type available today. They last awhile, and sticking to them will make your process of tire selection simpler.
Tire Charts:
BSR/CRC/Jaco



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JFT (Japan Foam Tire)



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ELECTRONICS:
ESC:
As of now, ROAR is staying 1S (3.7V nominal; 4.2V fully charged) for 1/12. There are many 1S ESC's with a built in BEC so nothing else is required to power the receiver and servo.

If you don't want to lock yourself into a 1S specific ESC, you do have other options! It is possible to use your 2S ESC without a booster or receiver pack, and the ESC simply supplies the lower voltage. If that does not appeal to you, you will need to use an Rx pack or booster. The Rx pack and booster will both supply the receiver with a higher voltage than the 1S pack.

If you decide to use an Rx pack, MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THE RED WIRE FROM THE ESC PLUG THAT GOES INTO THE RECEIVER!!!

If you choose to use a voltage booster, it works exactly how it sounds. Instead of plugging the ESC into the receiver, it plugs into the booster, and the booster plug goes to the ESC, supplying the higher voltage.

1S ESC:
If there are any missing please add them!!

If anyone would like a need for a chart comparing the ESC's specs PM fenton06 and I'll get one made and put in here!
Voltage Boosters:
If there are any missing please add them!
Servos:
BODIES:
Black Art (CRC - US Dist):
  • Audi R8C - BA002 - .020 Thick



  • Black Market (Mohawk 12) - BA005 - .020



  • Lola B10 - BA006 - .020 thick
  • Toyota TS030 - BA008 - .020 thick

    Lola - black/red, TS030 - green/pink


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Old 02-19-2007, 08:44 PM   #23806
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Its just the standard spring that comes with the associated center spring. It (6lbs) or a silver (8lb) will be about all you ever need with a Tplate car. Never ran any of Josh's bodies....So I dont know. He usually runs Protoforms or Parmas...so I would stick with one of those...LOL

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I haven't seen them sold like that when I first went looking for what wraps were...is this the same as the dual compound? To me dual compound is half the tire one compound the other half another or in rings. Or are wraps something people make on their own?
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I use Speedmind tires. Since they are not wrap tires, I just run them to the ground. I hand sanded my front end blocks incridiblely low, until they are only 9 mm high. Yes, I'm frugal with my tires.
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I haven't seen them sold like that when I first went looking for what wraps were...is this the same as the dual compound? To me dual compound is half the tire one compound the other half another or in rings. Or are wraps something people make on their own?
Wraps are a tire made by jaco. What they do is take a very hard foam and wrap the rim in it. For example on TC tires the rim runs 49mm, with the wrap of harder foam it brings it out to 53.5mm. Your tire actually starts then at 53.5mm. The harder foam under the regular foam allows the tire to not have as much bite and help free the car up alot. As well as give you more forward bite due to a bigger contact patch.

Parma has already released there version of 12th scale foam that has a larger rim, not sure the exact size on a 12th scale however there new TC tire has a rim diameter of 53mm making the wrap a thing of the past for parma users!
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So parma has a large diameter rim like the CRC High Rollers?
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So parma has a large diameter rim like the CRC High Rollers?
Yes...It mades it debut at the Snowbirds with some good results.

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Its just the standard spring that comes with the associated center spring. It (6lbs) or a silver (8lb) will be about all you ever need with a Tplate car. Never ran any of Josh's bodies....So I dont know. He usually runs Protoforms or Parmas...so I would stick with one of those...LOL

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What different T-plates do they make for the CEFX? Any part numbers would be cool as I can start getting my parts list ready to place an order in a week or two. Anyone run the spring steel type t-plates like many of my buddies do on oval? Not sure if they are good for 1/12th or not.
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For super high bite tracks as the snowbirds I ran 1 set of wraps in every qual and the main. 1.62 fronts and 1.70 rears. But thats not needed for club racing. The sizes JohnnyCarey posted is where I start for club racing.

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Question for you EA: Did you skim a layer off the top of the tyre after every run or did you just start them and let them be?
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What different T-plates do they make for the CEFX? Any part numbers would be cool as I can start getting my parts list ready to place an order in a week or two. Anyone run the spring steel type t-plates like many of my buddies do on oval? Not sure if they are good for 1/12th or not.
The Tplate that Josh has is shorter between the pivot mounts than the standard ones. He makes them in .001 increments from .060-.075. Also the material around the back part that mounts to the lower pod plate is wider so you are a LOT less prone to breaking a Tplate than with a standard associated one.

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Question for you EA: Did you skim a layer off the top of the tyre after every run or did you just start them and let them be?
Just trued them to those sizes and ran them. I did rotate them every run to make sure they wore even all around.

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What would be a good weight of oil for the Damper tubes? 10K? Also whats the procedure to fill them or rebuild them which ever is correct?
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Yes...It mades it debut at the Snowbirds with some good results.

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Hopefully they will hold up to laquor thinner better then the CRC ones so I can mount my own tires. I find the old contact cement method of gluing much easier to work with then CA.
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Hopefully they will hold up to laquor thinner better then the CRC ones so I can mount my own tires. I find the old contact cement method of gluing much easier to work with then CA.
I am not sure what they are using to mount them with. You may ask on the Parma thread in the Team section on here. Paul (Chicky) gets on there and answers questions each day.

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1.8" and 1.85" for High Rollers. 1.71" and 1.75" for regulars.
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I too, have come over to the metric side. My setup spreadsheet is in metric. This way, if anyone sees it, they won't be able to understand. It's "in code".
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Novak GTB 4-cell ESC pictures installed?

Anybody installed one yet in a 1/12th car? The external capacitor is half the size of the ESC...

I'd love to see a few installations. (and where to mount the attached "garbage can")

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Here you go Bob. An installation I did in a Gen X and one in one of my own cars. These are regular GTB esc's but I modified them a little and they are basically the same thing as the GTB 4. For the giant capacitor, I replaced the wires with 18 guage to make it easier to route them to the cap, but they are almost the same length as the stock 16 ga that the esc comes with. I actually like the big cap since it gives you a way to balance out the weight of the giant esc The cars are balanced on the front chassis only, ignoring the imbalance of the motor pod. I don't know if this is the best way but so far I have found it to be the best compromise. A brushless installation doesn't have to look like a bowl of spagetti!
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