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TIRES:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the US:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the Europe:
  • Hot Race ??

Gluing your own donuts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7z1rz-74s - Special thanks to Edward Pickering!
Truing tires:
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The following information came from HERE, with some editing and information added. Thanks Christian!

THIS MAY NEED UPDATING FOR THE NEW BLACK CRC CARPET

Brands:
BSR, CRC, Jaco:
Pro One is no longer selling to the public, but it and the brands above are all mounted by BSR and use the same foam. The nomenclature of the BSR vs Jaco/CRC is a little different in a few instances but is otherwise the same. The BSR foam consists of three families, and can be identifed as synthetics, naturals, and blends.

Synthetics - The old school, light weight, easy to true "dry feeling" tires. These include tires like CRC/Jaco Yellow (BSR White), Black, Gray, etc. These tires offer the highest wear rate and lowest grip. Many racers continue to use these nder high bite conditions.

Naturals - These tires are usually the best alternative for low bite and asphalt. They include Pink, Magenta, Double Pink, Lilac (BSR Team Purple), Purple, and other tires. These tires provide a ton of grip, but tend to get sticky in high bite conditions. This rubber does not wear as easily, and the cars will pick up gunk and fibers from the carpet under most high bite conditions. This is especially bad if the humidity is high.

Blends - These are the tires most people run today. They were initially called "JFT foam" by some, as it was believed that the tires were the same as the JFT tires. We can divide the blends further into two groups: high rubber and low rubber content. The high rubber would be the new rear Orange and Red from the BSR family, and the low rubber would be the Green and Blue varieties. When, asked about the difference, John Foister from BSR Tires said they came from the same "family" of foam, but they offered different grip. According to John, the Green/Blue has more bite than Orange/Red, but from track testing Oranges offer more bite than Green (being equivalent to in hardness) when the grip is high and absolutely no grip when it is lower. The Orange foam has a denser pore structure and the tire is not as prone to chunking. It is also important to note is that BSR Blue rears are not the same as the BSR Blue fronts!

JFT:
JFT stands for Japan Foam Tire. They started the new wave of foam tires we are all using now (Blue/Blu, Green/Greene, Dbl Blue, etc). These tires are a little different than the BSR tire family, but work in very similar conditions. They offers four varieties A (asphalt), C (carpet), S (???), and R (???). This does not mean that those types only work on that surface, but this is what they recommend.

JFT uses the same foam for fronts and rears if the color is the same.

A: Used on asphalt, considered close to the natural rubber variety and are named consistently with other natural tires.
C: Used on carpet, considered a blend.
S: Used on carpet?, tires are ???
R: Used on carpet?, tires are ???

For setup, the JFT foam seem to generate more bite than the BSR, therefore the car tends to be a little more aggressive.

Ulti:
Ulti is another Japanese brand that offers an array of compounds. They have their own way of rating tires, and are difficult to equate to other brands. They have 4 different varieties, each in varying degrees of hardness.

J: High rubber content tire, similar to Pink/ Magenta. Soft would be close to a pink. These offer the most bite and are great for asphalt/carpet front tire. (J hard being very popular)
X: "Balanced" blend, similar to JFT Blue/ Green. Soft is equivalent to Green, medium to Blue in hardness. Great for carpet!
Y: High synthetic blend with lower grip, and is not a very popular variety.
Z: A very expensive "special" foam that is supposed to be magic on asphalt. Only make it in soft shore.
European tires:
There are many great European foam tire brands that use their own types of foam, as well as traditional foams. SOmeone with more knowledge about them will need to fill this in!

Tire Diameter:
If you are racing on carpet, you have to evaluate how much grip your track has. If your track is low to medium grip, you can run bigger tires. If you are on higher bite you have to cut them smaller, there is simply no way around it. Bigger tires are needed for asphalt, especially in the rear. The larger tires provide much needed lateral bite.

Carpet (mm):
Low - Medium Bite
Front: 42.0 - 42.5
Rear: 42.5 - 43.00
Medium - High Bite
Front: 40.5 - 41.0
Rear: 41.5 - 42.0
Big Race
Front: 39.5 - 40.0
Rear: 40.5 - 41.0
Asphalt (mm):
Parking Lot
Front: 43.0 - 44.0
Rear: 44.0 - 45.0
Prepped High Bite
Front: 42.0 - 43.0
Rear: 43.0 - 44.0

Tire Saucing:
Most facilities have moved towards odorless traction additives such as SXT. Some of additives evaporate very quickly and some do not. This seems to be something that is also dependent on tire compound and ambient temperature. For example, saucing a Green compound seems like it never dries, especially when tjhe temperature is lower. We have found that wiping the tires off 15 minutes before we go run allows the sauce to cure, which makes the car come in much quicker with Green rears. Blue compounds on the other hand, do fine when wiped off right before hitting the track.

Saucing half front and full rear is a good initial starting point. If the front of the car is too agressive you can sauce les than half, or for a shorter amount of time.
Tire Fuzzing:
In conditions of increasing grip, foam tires will somewtimes get sticky and pick up fuzz and debris from the track. This is highly dependent on the rubber sedan tire that is being run at your local track and the compound/ type of foam you are running on you car. The softer the sedan tire and the harder/higher rubber content in your foam tire, trouble with fuzzing seems more likely to occur.

There are ways to get around fuzzing under most conditions, and usually involves the selection of the correct foam compound. The more fuzz you get, the softer/lower rubber content you want to run.

Examples:
Problem: Car fuzzes with Lilac/Team Purple fronts and car starts pushing.
Solution: Use a softer front tire and or different family of foam. Replace it with Blue or Double Blue front.

Problem: Car loses rear bite 6 minutes into the run. Blue rear tires look almost clean but have small carpet hairs.
Solution: Use Green rear tires. The softer compound wears instead of getting sticky, minimizing fuzz.

Tire Selection:
Starting out, pick 2 tire compounds for the front and rear. The following should have you covered 99% of the time.

Front - Green and Blue (BSR) or Green and Light Blue (JFT)
Rear - Blue and Double Blue (BSR) or Blue and Dark Blue (JFT)

You may wonder about other compounds out there and if they might be better, trust me, they probably won't be. Even if there are other tires that can be as fast, the synthetic family wears out really fast and the high natural rubber will probably fuzz on you over an 8 minute run. The blends family seems to be the most versatile foam type available today. They last awhile, and sticking to them will make your process of tire selection simpler.
Tire Charts:
BSR/CRC/Jaco



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JFT (Japan Foam Tire)



Ulti



Enneti (Xceed)



ELECTRONICS:
ESC:
As of now, ROAR is staying 1S (3.7V nominal; 4.2V fully charged) for 1/12. There are many 1S ESC's with a built in BEC so nothing else is required to power the receiver and servo.

If you don't want to lock yourself into a 1S specific ESC, you do have other options! It is possible to use your 2S ESC without a booster or receiver pack, and the ESC simply supplies the lower voltage. If that does not appeal to you, you will need to use an Rx pack or booster. The Rx pack and booster will both supply the receiver with a higher voltage than the 1S pack.

If you decide to use an Rx pack, MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THE RED WIRE FROM THE ESC PLUG THAT GOES INTO THE RECEIVER!!!

If you choose to use a voltage booster, it works exactly how it sounds. Instead of plugging the ESC into the receiver, it plugs into the booster, and the booster plug goes to the ESC, supplying the higher voltage.

1S ESC:
If there are any missing please add them!!

If anyone would like a need for a chart comparing the ESC's specs PM fenton06 and I'll get one made and put in here!
Voltage Boosters:
If there are any missing please add them!
Servos:
BODIES:
Black Art (CRC - US Dist):
  • Audi R8C - BA002 - .020 Thick



  • Black Market (Mohawk 12) - BA005 - .020



  • Lola B10 - BA006 - .020 thick
  • Toyota TS030 - BA008 - .020 thick

    Lola - black/red, TS030 - green/pink


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Old 10-29-2006, 12:05 PM   #21556
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On Mark Payne's diff building blogspot...

Mark's a friend I race with, so I hope he won't mind my saying that this is the ultimate diff build, but there are alternatives.

Try the Diff King, Dave Irrgang, here for the easiest way to build a diff. This works every time, and your ceramic balls will make their own groove anyway.

Most diff damage is done to the outside bearing when you side-slap a wall (use the Slapmaster thrust system, or buy a Corally SP12X!!) and when the diff is set too loose, and spins. However tight you think your diff is, tighten it a little more. It is built and set correctly when it lasts a whole meeting felling as good at the end as it did at the beginning! HTH
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Old 10-29-2006, 12:32 PM   #21557
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Also Brian...

You need to work on getting your stuff into the UK!
I brought a few in and have "spread the word" a little.

Wym at http://www.actionmodelcentre.co.uk/ would be your best bet as he tours his shop with us on the UK 1/12th nationals and supports many 1/2th scale events.

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@Mark Payne: I should have know you would hang around here. Great blog! The R/C hobby needs more of you guys. Can you explain beter what T-Cut is and does, and why you specialy take T-Cut? Since i'm in the netherlands, no T-Cut here.

@SlowerOne: I've also seen the IRS method. Thanks for the tips.

I'll try to find my balance in what is best... first get the parts and start testing stuff
Many thanks again!
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Old 10-29-2006, 12:46 PM   #21559
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Hi,

I'm running ( in France) 1/12th pan cars.

I read an article about about mounting a mini brushless system on a 1/12th like mamba or tekin mini rage.
According to the article, this solution allows to go as faster as a 10 or 8 modified brushed motor (on a little carpet track i suppose)

Did any body have already tried such a propulsion system ? how it works ? how is modified the behaviour of the car (less weight on the pod shoudl considerably change the chassis)

if you want to read the article go on: http://www.teamtekin.com/Mini%20Rage%2012th%20scale.asp
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i'm looking for a bumper for my crc t-force.
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Old 10-29-2006, 01:39 PM   #21561
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Hi

Tcut is a mild abrasive car paintwork restorer. It is user to polish and take the oxidised layer off of car body paintwork.

I used this because it is what I had in the garage! I am sure there are many other automotive products that will so the same thing!

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@SlowerOne: I've also seen the IRS method. Thanks for the tips.

I'll try to find my balance in what is best... first get the parts and start testing stuff
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Hey all,

CRC cars completely dominated the Halloween Classic. They took the TQ and top 17 spots on the grid in stock 12th and the TQ in Modified AND the TQ in 19t 12th scale!! A mix of 3.2r's, T-Fources and the almost ready to be released revised Carpet Knife!! My 3.2r was awesome, as it seems were about 20 or 30 other ones!!

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Mark,
I have been shipping to the UK a lot in the past few months. I will touch base with Wym to see if we can set something up. I am pretty easy that way, I like to sell

You guys in the UK have such long mailing addresses. It sounds like such elligant places by your address.

Australia has been going strong, too!

I should have jammed a MS2.3 in the middle of that pack of CRC cars, but I was sleeping when the entry forms came out. Can't do Cleveland. Besides Snowbirds, what the next big 12th scale race everyone is going to?

I have some new products on the way. One of which is a hollow carbon roll over antenna. Yea, I know that's not new, but I understand that Paragon stopped production. I ran mine the other day with a Spektrum system with no issues what so ever. I have a few others that will help me crash test them... if you know what I mean. I should have them ready in a week or so.

I have another item that is going to make t-bar cars rock on low-med grip non-Paragon tracks. It's still in early stages, but the results are unreal. It's opened up my tire sellection tremendously. I gained as much as a 14 second improvement over the course of 8 minutes. It will be packaged as traction in a baggy. The eta is still a long ways out, but it will be worth it. Can't spill any beans yet... just want to tease some.

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I have another item that is going to make t-bar cars rock on low-med grip non-Paragon tracks. It's still in early stages, but the results are unreal. It's opened up my tire sellection tremendously. I gained as much as a 14 second improvement over the course of 8 minutes. It will be packaged as traction in a baggy. The eta is still a long ways out, but it will be worth it. Can't spill any beans yet... just want to tease some.

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I wonder why......

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Do any companies produce yellow rear tires? I ran black and yellows at the halloween classic yesterday and it worked awesome. I was given a set to run but now I noticed that jaco, crc, and bsr dont sell them.

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I believe Jaco make a Yellow and Black... What wheels were they on ?



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I'm running ( in France) 1/12th pan cars.

I read an article about about mounting a mini brushless system on a 1/12th like mamba or tekin mini rage.
According to the article, this solution allows to go as faster as a 10 or 8 modified brushed motor (on a little carpet track i suppose)

Did any body have already tried such a propulsion system ? how it works ? how is modified the behaviour of the car (less weight on the pod shoudl considerably change the chassis)

if you want to read the article go on: http://www.teamtekin.com/Mini%20Rage%2012th%20scale.asp
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