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TIRES:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the US:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the Europe:
  • Hot Race ??

Gluing your own donuts:
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The following information came from HERE, with some editing and information added. Thanks Christian!

THIS MAY NEED UPDATING FOR THE NEW BLACK CRC CARPET

Brands:
BSR, CRC, Jaco:
Pro One is no longer selling to the public, but it and the brands above are all mounted by BSR and use the same foam. The nomenclature of the BSR vs Jaco/CRC is a little different in a few instances but is otherwise the same. The BSR foam consists of three families, and can be identifed as synthetics, naturals, and blends.

Synthetics - The old school, light weight, easy to true "dry feeling" tires. These include tires like CRC/Jaco Yellow (BSR White), Black, Gray, etc. These tires offer the highest wear rate and lowest grip. Many racers continue to use these nder high bite conditions.

Naturals - These tires are usually the best alternative for low bite and asphalt. They include Pink, Magenta, Double Pink, Lilac (BSR Team Purple), Purple, and other tires. These tires provide a ton of grip, but tend to get sticky in high bite conditions. This rubber does not wear as easily, and the cars will pick up gunk and fibers from the carpet under most high bite conditions. This is especially bad if the humidity is high.

Blends - These are the tires most people run today. They were initially called "JFT foam" by some, as it was believed that the tires were the same as the JFT tires. We can divide the blends further into two groups: high rubber and low rubber content. The high rubber would be the new rear Orange and Red from the BSR family, and the low rubber would be the Green and Blue varieties. When, asked about the difference, John Foister from BSR Tires said they came from the same "family" of foam, but they offered different grip. According to John, the Green/Blue has more bite than Orange/Red, but from track testing Oranges offer more bite than Green (being equivalent to in hardness) when the grip is high and absolutely no grip when it is lower. The Orange foam has a denser pore structure and the tire is not as prone to chunking. It is also important to note is that BSR Blue rears are not the same as the BSR Blue fronts!

JFT:
JFT stands for Japan Foam Tire. They started the new wave of foam tires we are all using now (Blue/Blu, Green/Greene, Dbl Blue, etc). These tires are a little different than the BSR tire family, but work in very similar conditions. They offers four varieties A (asphalt), C (carpet), S (???), and R (???). This does not mean that those types only work on that surface, but this is what they recommend.

JFT uses the same foam for fronts and rears if the color is the same.

A: Used on asphalt, considered close to the natural rubber variety and are named consistently with other natural tires.
C: Used on carpet, considered a blend.
S: Used on carpet?, tires are ???
R: Used on carpet?, tires are ???

For setup, the JFT foam seem to generate more bite than the BSR, therefore the car tends to be a little more aggressive.

Ulti:
Ulti is another Japanese brand that offers an array of compounds. They have their own way of rating tires, and are difficult to equate to other brands. They have 4 different varieties, each in varying degrees of hardness.

J: High rubber content tire, similar to Pink/ Magenta. Soft would be close to a pink. These offer the most bite and are great for asphalt/carpet front tire. (J hard being very popular)
X: "Balanced" blend, similar to JFT Blue/ Green. Soft is equivalent to Green, medium to Blue in hardness. Great for carpet!
Y: High synthetic blend with lower grip, and is not a very popular variety.
Z: A very expensive "special" foam that is supposed to be magic on asphalt. Only make it in soft shore.
European tires:
There are many great European foam tire brands that use their own types of foam, as well as traditional foams. SOmeone with more knowledge about them will need to fill this in!

Tire Diameter:
If you are racing on carpet, you have to evaluate how much grip your track has. If your track is low to medium grip, you can run bigger tires. If you are on higher bite you have to cut them smaller, there is simply no way around it. Bigger tires are needed for asphalt, especially in the rear. The larger tires provide much needed lateral bite.

Carpet (mm):
Low - Medium Bite
Front: 42.0 - 42.5
Rear: 42.5 - 43.00
Medium - High Bite
Front: 40.5 - 41.0
Rear: 41.5 - 42.0
Big Race
Front: 39.5 - 40.0
Rear: 40.5 - 41.0
Asphalt (mm):
Parking Lot
Front: 43.0 - 44.0
Rear: 44.0 - 45.0
Prepped High Bite
Front: 42.0 - 43.0
Rear: 43.0 - 44.0

Tire Saucing:
Most facilities have moved towards odorless traction additives such as SXT. Some of additives evaporate very quickly and some do not. This seems to be something that is also dependent on tire compound and ambient temperature. For example, saucing a Green compound seems like it never dries, especially when tjhe temperature is lower. We have found that wiping the tires off 15 minutes before we go run allows the sauce to cure, which makes the car come in much quicker with Green rears. Blue compounds on the other hand, do fine when wiped off right before hitting the track.

Saucing half front and full rear is a good initial starting point. If the front of the car is too agressive you can sauce les than half, or for a shorter amount of time.
Tire Fuzzing:
In conditions of increasing grip, foam tires will somewtimes get sticky and pick up fuzz and debris from the track. This is highly dependent on the rubber sedan tire that is being run at your local track and the compound/ type of foam you are running on you car. The softer the sedan tire and the harder/higher rubber content in your foam tire, trouble with fuzzing seems more likely to occur.

There are ways to get around fuzzing under most conditions, and usually involves the selection of the correct foam compound. The more fuzz you get, the softer/lower rubber content you want to run.

Examples:
Problem: Car fuzzes with Lilac/Team Purple fronts and car starts pushing.
Solution: Use a softer front tire and or different family of foam. Replace it with Blue or Double Blue front.

Problem: Car loses rear bite 6 minutes into the run. Blue rear tires look almost clean but have small carpet hairs.
Solution: Use Green rear tires. The softer compound wears instead of getting sticky, minimizing fuzz.

Tire Selection:
Starting out, pick 2 tire compounds for the front and rear. The following should have you covered 99% of the time.

Front - Green and Blue (BSR) or Green and Light Blue (JFT)
Rear - Blue and Double Blue (BSR) or Blue and Dark Blue (JFT)

You may wonder about other compounds out there and if they might be better, trust me, they probably won't be. Even if there are other tires that can be as fast, the synthetic family wears out really fast and the high natural rubber will probably fuzz on you over an 8 minute run. The blends family seems to be the most versatile foam type available today. They last awhile, and sticking to them will make your process of tire selection simpler.
Tire Charts:
BSR/CRC/Jaco



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JFT (Japan Foam Tire)



Ulti



Enneti (Xceed)



ELECTRONICS:
ESC:
As of now, ROAR is staying 1S (3.7V nominal; 4.2V fully charged) for 1/12. There are many 1S ESC's with a built in BEC so nothing else is required to power the receiver and servo.

If you don't want to lock yourself into a 1S specific ESC, you do have other options! It is possible to use your 2S ESC without a booster or receiver pack, and the ESC simply supplies the lower voltage. If that does not appeal to you, you will need to use an Rx pack or booster. The Rx pack and booster will both supply the receiver with a higher voltage than the 1S pack.

If you decide to use an Rx pack, MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THE RED WIRE FROM THE ESC PLUG THAT GOES INTO THE RECEIVER!!!

If you choose to use a voltage booster, it works exactly how it sounds. Instead of plugging the ESC into the receiver, it plugs into the booster, and the booster plug goes to the ESC, supplying the higher voltage.

1S ESC:
If there are any missing please add them!!

If anyone would like a need for a chart comparing the ESC's specs PM fenton06 and I'll get one made and put in here!
Voltage Boosters:
If there are any missing please add them!
Servos:
BODIES:
Black Art (CRC - US Dist):
  • Audi R8C - BA002 - .020 Thick



  • Black Market (Mohawk 12) - BA005 - .020



  • Lola B10 - BA006 - .020 thick
  • Toyota TS030 - BA008 - .020 thick

    Lola - black/red, TS030 - green/pink


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Old 10-26-2006, 04:02 PM   #21511
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i do love running touring car also but it is tough to do both in the same day because the touring cars just cant do things the way 1/12th can.
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Old 10-26-2006, 04:52 PM   #21512
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What's the cheapest place online to buy the CRC T-Force 1/12th scale? Horizon list the red version for $220 plus shipping. Any upsides or downsides to the T-Force over the RC12L4? Those are the two I am considering.
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pretty much all the 1/12ths out are based off the 12L4.cant go wrong with any of them.the 12L4 is a great car in itself,there just seems to be alot of different kits out that are application specific versions of it.
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ok someone please answer my question this time. can i 1/12th pan be run on a parking lot surface, or is it sole race track? and does it have front suspension?
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ok someone please answer my question this time. can i 1/12th pan be run on a parking lot surface, or is it sole race track? and does it have front suspension?
Yes it can be ran in a parking lot and yes it has a front suspension. You will most likely need a higher ride height to aid with the more course surface of a parking lot but it can be done.

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thanks alot. will it handle as good on a parking lot though? and how much travel do you think it will have? not trying to be a jerk and ask everything, but i have no clue about pan cars. i just recently got into street stuff about a year ago so im not all that sure about alot of stuff when it comes to the road.
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Yup 12th scales can run pratically almost anywhere as long as you find smooth flooring. I'm glad to see 12th scale is going strong. If you love Formula 1 then you're in the right class. It's the Best Bang for the Buck racing class. Here's a race on a parking lot. http://www.od12.com/Images/OD12Norcal.mpg
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ive never been into pan or formula1. ive been sole dirt for years. i just recently switched to some street about a year ago and love it, so i would like to get more into the different styles. could you give a vid on these cars? and could someone tell me how much travel the front has, and were it is located, because all the pics ive seen dont look like they have front suspension
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I've gotten darn tired of trying to find 16 gauge hi-flex wire for my 1/12 cars. I used to be able to buy Deans 10' packs (5' each red and black) at HeliProz but they're no longer carrying it. In fact, it really isn't listed at Tower, Stormer is back-ordered on all of it, and everybody that USED to package and sell it don't show it on their sites.

SO...I did a bit of checking around and found a place where a "civilian" can buy some bulk 16ga silicone insulated 665 strand wire = very flexible. I'd have to buy a bunch of it, but I would be able to sell it for $8 for a 10' pack (again, 5' each red and black) where the Deans when I could get it was $10.

I'd like to get an idea over the next few days of who might be interested in one or more packs as I've described. PLEASE--pm me so as not to take up a lot of forum space here and annoying folks.

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I just found out this week, that the 10th scale axles currently on the market vary enough that it makes if difficult for me to produce a "one size fits all" 1/10th scale diff thrust kit. After looking at more axle samples, the 1/12th scale diff thrust kit will work on most 1/10th scale axles. Some axles have a shorter threaded stud then others, also making it difficult. Too big of a spacer and the nut will not stay seccure.

I have a picture showing a .140" dimension.

If you have a 1/10th scale axle that needs a special size spacer, contact me.

I also understand that Yokomo and Corraly maybe aligning themselves more with industry standard size axles. That would mean diff thrust kits could be an option.

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I also understand that Yokomo and Corraly maybe aligning themselves more with industry standard size axles. That would mean diff thrust kits could be an option.
Have you ever seen a Corally thrust bearing?
The thing is huge, it uses 1/8" balls and pretty much last forever!
Not that your product is not good, but I don't think they have to change it just for that.
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This may be on this thread but too large for me to search how low can you go with the front and rear tyre thank you.
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This may be on this thread but too large for me to search how low can you go with the front and rear tyre thank you.
depends on your trakc and also your chassis. I run a bmi, which is .5mm thicker then a 12l4 and our carpet is faily smooth. I can run the fronts down to 40mm. some of the guys can run to 39mm. I don't remember the size of the rears, but again depends on if you have lowered pods or not.
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