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KITS:
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TIRES:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the US:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the Europe:
  • Hot Race ??

Gluing your own donuts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7z1rz-74s - Special thanks to Edward Pickering!
Truing tires:
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The following information came from HERE, with some editing and information added. Thanks Christian!

THIS MAY NEED UPDATING FOR THE NEW BLACK CRC CARPET

Brands:
BSR, CRC, Jaco:
Pro One is no longer selling to the public, but it and the brands above are all mounted by BSR and use the same foam. The nomenclature of the BSR vs Jaco/CRC is a little different in a few instances but is otherwise the same. The BSR foam consists of three families, and can be identifed as synthetics, naturals, and blends.

Synthetics - The old school, light weight, easy to true "dry feeling" tires. These include tires like CRC/Jaco Yellow (BSR White), Black, Gray, etc. These tires offer the highest wear rate and lowest grip. Many racers continue to use these nder high bite conditions.

Naturals - These tires are usually the best alternative for low bite and asphalt. They include Pink, Magenta, Double Pink, Lilac (BSR Team Purple), Purple, and other tires. These tires provide a ton of grip, but tend to get sticky in high bite conditions. This rubber does not wear as easily, and the cars will pick up gunk and fibers from the carpet under most high bite conditions. This is especially bad if the humidity is high.

Blends - These are the tires most people run today. They were initially called "JFT foam" by some, as it was believed that the tires were the same as the JFT tires. We can divide the blends further into two groups: high rubber and low rubber content. The high rubber would be the new rear Orange and Red from the BSR family, and the low rubber would be the Green and Blue varieties. When, asked about the difference, John Foister from BSR Tires said they came from the same "family" of foam, but they offered different grip. According to John, the Green/Blue has more bite than Orange/Red, but from track testing Oranges offer more bite than Green (being equivalent to in hardness) when the grip is high and absolutely no grip when it is lower. The Orange foam has a denser pore structure and the tire is not as prone to chunking. It is also important to note is that BSR Blue rears are not the same as the BSR Blue fronts!

JFT:
JFT stands for Japan Foam Tire. They started the new wave of foam tires we are all using now (Blue/Blu, Green/Greene, Dbl Blue, etc). These tires are a little different than the BSR tire family, but work in very similar conditions. They offers four varieties A (asphalt), C (carpet), S (???), and R (???). This does not mean that those types only work on that surface, but this is what they recommend.

JFT uses the same foam for fronts and rears if the color is the same.

A: Used on asphalt, considered close to the natural rubber variety and are named consistently with other natural tires.
C: Used on carpet, considered a blend.
S: Used on carpet?, tires are ???
R: Used on carpet?, tires are ???

For setup, the JFT foam seem to generate more bite than the BSR, therefore the car tends to be a little more aggressive.

Ulti:
Ulti is another Japanese brand that offers an array of compounds. They have their own way of rating tires, and are difficult to equate to other brands. They have 4 different varieties, each in varying degrees of hardness.

J: High rubber content tire, similar to Pink/ Magenta. Soft would be close to a pink. These offer the most bite and are great for asphalt/carpet front tire. (J hard being very popular)
X: "Balanced" blend, similar to JFT Blue/ Green. Soft is equivalent to Green, medium to Blue in hardness. Great for carpet!
Y: High synthetic blend with lower grip, and is not a very popular variety.
Z: A very expensive "special" foam that is supposed to be magic on asphalt. Only make it in soft shore.
European tires:
There are many great European foam tire brands that use their own types of foam, as well as traditional foams. SOmeone with more knowledge about them will need to fill this in!

Tire Diameter:
If you are racing on carpet, you have to evaluate how much grip your track has. If your track is low to medium grip, you can run bigger tires. If you are on higher bite you have to cut them smaller, there is simply no way around it. Bigger tires are needed for asphalt, especially in the rear. The larger tires provide much needed lateral bite.

Carpet (mm):
Low - Medium Bite
Front: 42.0 - 42.5
Rear: 42.5 - 43.00
Medium - High Bite
Front: 40.5 - 41.0
Rear: 41.5 - 42.0
Big Race
Front: 39.5 - 40.0
Rear: 40.5 - 41.0
Asphalt (mm):
Parking Lot
Front: 43.0 - 44.0
Rear: 44.0 - 45.0
Prepped High Bite
Front: 42.0 - 43.0
Rear: 43.0 - 44.0

Tire Saucing:
Most facilities have moved towards odorless traction additives such as SXT. Some of additives evaporate very quickly and some do not. This seems to be something that is also dependent on tire compound and ambient temperature. For example, saucing a Green compound seems like it never dries, especially when tjhe temperature is lower. We have found that wiping the tires off 15 minutes before we go run allows the sauce to cure, which makes the car come in much quicker with Green rears. Blue compounds on the other hand, do fine when wiped off right before hitting the track.

Saucing half front and full rear is a good initial starting point. If the front of the car is too agressive you can sauce les than half, or for a shorter amount of time.
Tire Fuzzing:
In conditions of increasing grip, foam tires will somewtimes get sticky and pick up fuzz and debris from the track. This is highly dependent on the rubber sedan tire that is being run at your local track and the compound/ type of foam you are running on you car. The softer the sedan tire and the harder/higher rubber content in your foam tire, trouble with fuzzing seems more likely to occur.

There are ways to get around fuzzing under most conditions, and usually involves the selection of the correct foam compound. The more fuzz you get, the softer/lower rubber content you want to run.

Examples:
Problem: Car fuzzes with Lilac/Team Purple fronts and car starts pushing.
Solution: Use a softer front tire and or different family of foam. Replace it with Blue or Double Blue front.

Problem: Car loses rear bite 6 minutes into the run. Blue rear tires look almost clean but have small carpet hairs.
Solution: Use Green rear tires. The softer compound wears instead of getting sticky, minimizing fuzz.

Tire Selection:
Starting out, pick 2 tire compounds for the front and rear. The following should have you covered 99% of the time.

Front - Green and Blue (BSR) or Green and Light Blue (JFT)
Rear - Blue and Double Blue (BSR) or Blue and Dark Blue (JFT)

You may wonder about other compounds out there and if they might be better, trust me, they probably won't be. Even if there are other tires that can be as fast, the synthetic family wears out really fast and the high natural rubber will probably fuzz on you over an 8 minute run. The blends family seems to be the most versatile foam type available today. They last awhile, and sticking to them will make your process of tire selection simpler.
Tire Charts:
BSR/CRC/Jaco



Contact



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JFT (Japan Foam Tire)



Ulti



Enneti (Xceed)



ELECTRONICS:
ESC:
As of now, ROAR is staying 1S (3.7V nominal; 4.2V fully charged) for 1/12. There are many 1S ESC's with a built in BEC so nothing else is required to power the receiver and servo.

If you don't want to lock yourself into a 1S specific ESC, you do have other options! It is possible to use your 2S ESC without a booster or receiver pack, and the ESC simply supplies the lower voltage. If that does not appeal to you, you will need to use an Rx pack or booster. The Rx pack and booster will both supply the receiver with a higher voltage than the 1S pack.

If you decide to use an Rx pack, MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THE RED WIRE FROM THE ESC PLUG THAT GOES INTO THE RECEIVER!!!

If you choose to use a voltage booster, it works exactly how it sounds. Instead of plugging the ESC into the receiver, it plugs into the booster, and the booster plug goes to the ESC, supplying the higher voltage.

1S ESC:
If there are any missing please add them!!

If anyone would like a need for a chart comparing the ESC's specs PM fenton06 and I'll get one made and put in here!
Voltage Boosters:
If there are any missing please add them!
Servos:
BODIES:
Black Art (CRC - US Dist):
  • Audi R8C - BA002 - .020 Thick



  • Black Market (Mohawk 12) - BA005 - .020



  • Lola B10 - BA006 - .020 thick
  • Toyota TS030 - BA008 - .020 thick

    Lola - black/red, TS030 - green/pink


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Old 10-05-2006, 04:17 PM   #21076
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Do share. I shared mine. It's your turn What is so special about those ball cups?
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Old 10-05-2006, 04:30 PM   #21077
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You don't have all the extra hardware cost & weight on the front-end. And it's a direct fit. Nothing special though, just a cheaper ($0.99)/simpler way to take care of slop...
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does anyone know where to get camber shims for the old school front end. cant find anywhere. thanx
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Old 10-05-2006, 09:44 PM   #21079
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search your favorite shops for part # 95300 - PSE (pro series equipment) quick change castor/camber wedges. use to be distributed by Parma. these aren't on parma's site but you could try calling them. it has shims for both. i have a new in package set but they're for my old school front end :P


and if PSE still exists you can send 4 bucks to get the catalog

13927 progress parkway
north royalton, ohio 44133

probably wrong zip code anymore.

i'm sure somebody has some current stuff somewhere.
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thanx mason. i never ran the old school front end but i want to try it. is it much different in handling? also does the front end have any camber without the shims. thanx
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Just ran my CRC 3.2R on asphalt for the first time after much time driveing 1/10 TOuring car. Ran the 1/12 with Novak 4.5R(that's what I'm used to), but folks here tell me its too much for 1/12 scale, and that I should be running Novak 5.5R at the most for these cars, and that even the pros drive 10x1 motors...is this true? Anyone here tried driving 1/12 with Novak 4.5R and think its too much for these cars...I cannot tell since I dont know what they are supposed to feel like, since I have no experience driving 1/12 scale and cannot really judge at this point. It was a bit tough to handle went punching it down the straight...if you dont have it perfectly straight, you can be in trouble as it just slides/glides to the sides and becomes twitchy. After working on set ups, had to turn down D/R to about 70%, amongst other things on the radio. BUt overall, it was driving pretty well, at least I think so, but nothing like what I saw on orion website on those worlds racing videos...talk about geting dialed, and fast...I'd like to get close to that...running rear CRC pro cut pink and front purples.
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some guys think its stiffer and were running it on carpet over the new style. that went away with the introduction of the brace.

you need to understand though that when you shim, you are changing ride height a little bit as well.
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does anyone know where to get camber shims for the old school front end. cant find anywhere. thanx
Most people just cut up a piece of header card and slide it under the outside of the arm. It doesn't take much to make a big change so you want something thin (around .008")

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top plate/radio tray/damper tube kits only for the L4
anyone ran an L4 with damper tubes rather than the kit disc setup?

how did it fair?
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anyone ran an L4 with damper tubes rather than the kit disc setup?

how did it fair?

I'll tell you later on tonight as we have 6 RC12L4 which have been converted to the damper tubes that will be running tonight for the first time. I'll keep you posted.
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xtrememadness:
I believe that the "old skool" front suspension has 1.5 or 2 degrees of camber and 2 degrees of castor already molded in. That is why it is hard to machine the front arms down to use smaller tires (must trim the steering blocks).
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xtrememadness:
I believe that the "old skool" front suspension has 1.5 or 2 degrees of camber and 2 degrees of castor already molded in. That is why it is hard to machine the front arms down to use smaller tires (must trim the steering blocks).

When i ran the old skool front end on my Rev3 and rev 4 I had slivers of paper and card stock of every thickness. header cards, business cards, thick letter stock, thin paper. I was pretty obsessive about getting the camber, axle height and caster even side to side. Took hours some nights. Dead balls on axle height was the most important, followed by camber then caster-though none should be way out.

Also-there have been some companies that have milled the old school arms down to run smaller tires on the SM cars and to make the arms "bluepinted".

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also-just FYI-these new D-style diff rings are the best I and others (chicky) have ever used. No sanding to eliminate runout. VERY flat rings from IRS.


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The rings look nice, but is there enough support from the hubs? If the hub does not cover 100% of the ring, spanning the four lobes could cause four tight spots.

Why don't we just have bigger inside diameter rings? IRS, Niftech, Asc... listening?

Still, I like it.
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The rings look nice, but is there enough support from the hubs? If the hub does not cover 100% of the ring, spanning the four lobes could cause four tight spots.

Why don't we just have bigger inside diameter rings? IRS, Niftech, Asc... listening?

Still, I like it.
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NOpe-no tight spots on any that Paul has installed and none on mine. We used to sand them not to get a rough surface, but to get them flatter. not anymore.
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