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TIRES:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the US:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the Europe:
  • Hot Race ??

Gluing your own donuts:
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The following information came from HERE, with some editing and information added. Thanks Christian!

THIS MAY NEED UPDATING FOR THE NEW BLACK CRC CARPET

Brands:
BSR, CRC, Jaco:
Pro One is no longer selling to the public, but it and the brands above are all mounted by BSR and use the same foam. The nomenclature of the BSR vs Jaco/CRC is a little different in a few instances but is otherwise the same. The BSR foam consists of three families, and can be identifed as synthetics, naturals, and blends.

Synthetics - The old school, light weight, easy to true "dry feeling" tires. These include tires like CRC/Jaco Yellow (BSR White), Black, Gray, etc. These tires offer the highest wear rate and lowest grip. Many racers continue to use these nder high bite conditions.

Naturals - These tires are usually the best alternative for low bite and asphalt. They include Pink, Magenta, Double Pink, Lilac (BSR Team Purple), Purple, and other tires. These tires provide a ton of grip, but tend to get sticky in high bite conditions. This rubber does not wear as easily, and the cars will pick up gunk and fibers from the carpet under most high bite conditions. This is especially bad if the humidity is high.

Blends - These are the tires most people run today. They were initially called "JFT foam" by some, as it was believed that the tires were the same as the JFT tires. We can divide the blends further into two groups: high rubber and low rubber content. The high rubber would be the new rear Orange and Red from the BSR family, and the low rubber would be the Green and Blue varieties. When, asked about the difference, John Foister from BSR Tires said they came from the same "family" of foam, but they offered different grip. According to John, the Green/Blue has more bite than Orange/Red, but from track testing Oranges offer more bite than Green (being equivalent to in hardness) when the grip is high and absolutely no grip when it is lower. The Orange foam has a denser pore structure and the tire is not as prone to chunking. It is also important to note is that BSR Blue rears are not the same as the BSR Blue fronts!

JFT:
JFT stands for Japan Foam Tire. They started the new wave of foam tires we are all using now (Blue/Blu, Green/Greene, Dbl Blue, etc). These tires are a little different than the BSR tire family, but work in very similar conditions. They offers four varieties A (asphalt), C (carpet), S (???), and R (???). This does not mean that those types only work on that surface, but this is what they recommend.

JFT uses the same foam for fronts and rears if the color is the same.

A: Used on asphalt, considered close to the natural rubber variety and are named consistently with other natural tires.
C: Used on carpet, considered a blend.
S: Used on carpet?, tires are ???
R: Used on carpet?, tires are ???

For setup, the JFT foam seem to generate more bite than the BSR, therefore the car tends to be a little more aggressive.

Ulti:
Ulti is another Japanese brand that offers an array of compounds. They have their own way of rating tires, and are difficult to equate to other brands. They have 4 different varieties, each in varying degrees of hardness.

J: High rubber content tire, similar to Pink/ Magenta. Soft would be close to a pink. These offer the most bite and are great for asphalt/carpet front tire. (J hard being very popular)
X: "Balanced" blend, similar to JFT Blue/ Green. Soft is equivalent to Green, medium to Blue in hardness. Great for carpet!
Y: High synthetic blend with lower grip, and is not a very popular variety.
Z: A very expensive "special" foam that is supposed to be magic on asphalt. Only make it in soft shore.
European tires:
There are many great European foam tire brands that use their own types of foam, as well as traditional foams. SOmeone with more knowledge about them will need to fill this in!

Tire Diameter:
If you are racing on carpet, you have to evaluate how much grip your track has. If your track is low to medium grip, you can run bigger tires. If you are on higher bite you have to cut them smaller, there is simply no way around it. Bigger tires are needed for asphalt, especially in the rear. The larger tires provide much needed lateral bite.

Carpet (mm):
Low - Medium Bite
Front: 42.0 - 42.5
Rear: 42.5 - 43.00
Medium - High Bite
Front: 40.5 - 41.0
Rear: 41.5 - 42.0
Big Race
Front: 39.5 - 40.0
Rear: 40.5 - 41.0
Asphalt (mm):
Parking Lot
Front: 43.0 - 44.0
Rear: 44.0 - 45.0
Prepped High Bite
Front: 42.0 - 43.0
Rear: 43.0 - 44.0

Tire Saucing:
Most facilities have moved towards odorless traction additives such as SXT. Some of additives evaporate very quickly and some do not. This seems to be something that is also dependent on tire compound and ambient temperature. For example, saucing a Green compound seems like it never dries, especially when tjhe temperature is lower. We have found that wiping the tires off 15 minutes before we go run allows the sauce to cure, which makes the car come in much quicker with Green rears. Blue compounds on the other hand, do fine when wiped off right before hitting the track.

Saucing half front and full rear is a good initial starting point. If the front of the car is too agressive you can sauce les than half, or for a shorter amount of time.
Tire Fuzzing:
In conditions of increasing grip, foam tires will somewtimes get sticky and pick up fuzz and debris from the track. This is highly dependent on the rubber sedan tire that is being run at your local track and the compound/ type of foam you are running on you car. The softer the sedan tire and the harder/higher rubber content in your foam tire, trouble with fuzzing seems more likely to occur.

There are ways to get around fuzzing under most conditions, and usually involves the selection of the correct foam compound. The more fuzz you get, the softer/lower rubber content you want to run.

Examples:
Problem: Car fuzzes with Lilac/Team Purple fronts and car starts pushing.
Solution: Use a softer front tire and or different family of foam. Replace it with Blue or Double Blue front.

Problem: Car loses rear bite 6 minutes into the run. Blue rear tires look almost clean but have small carpet hairs.
Solution: Use Green rear tires. The softer compound wears instead of getting sticky, minimizing fuzz.

Tire Selection:
Starting out, pick 2 tire compounds for the front and rear. The following should have you covered 99% of the time.

Front - Green and Blue (BSR) or Green and Light Blue (JFT)
Rear - Blue and Double Blue (BSR) or Blue and Dark Blue (JFT)

You may wonder about other compounds out there and if they might be better, trust me, they probably won't be. Even if there are other tires that can be as fast, the synthetic family wears out really fast and the high natural rubber will probably fuzz on you over an 8 minute run. The blends family seems to be the most versatile foam type available today. They last awhile, and sticking to them will make your process of tire selection simpler.
Tire Charts:
BSR/CRC/Jaco



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ELECTRONICS:
ESC:
As of now, ROAR is staying 1S (3.7V nominal; 4.2V fully charged) for 1/12. There are many 1S ESC's with a built in BEC so nothing else is required to power the receiver and servo.

If you don't want to lock yourself into a 1S specific ESC, you do have other options! It is possible to use your 2S ESC without a booster or receiver pack, and the ESC simply supplies the lower voltage. If that does not appeal to you, you will need to use an Rx pack or booster. The Rx pack and booster will both supply the receiver with a higher voltage than the 1S pack.

If you decide to use an Rx pack, MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THE RED WIRE FROM THE ESC PLUG THAT GOES INTO THE RECEIVER!!!

If you choose to use a voltage booster, it works exactly how it sounds. Instead of plugging the ESC into the receiver, it plugs into the booster, and the booster plug goes to the ESC, supplying the higher voltage.

1S ESC:
If there are any missing please add them!!

If anyone would like a need for a chart comparing the ESC's specs PM fenton06 and I'll get one made and put in here!
Voltage Boosters:
If there are any missing please add them!
Servos:
BODIES:
Black Art (CRC - US Dist):
  • Audi R8C - BA002 - .020 Thick



  • Black Market (Mohawk 12) - BA005 - .020



  • Lola B10 - BA006 - .020 thick
  • Toyota TS030 - BA008 - .020 thick

    Lola - black/red, TS030 - green/pink


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Old 10-01-2006, 09:49 PM   #20956
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ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

i just noticed on the block where the blade is mounted

it goes from 80 to 70 down to 60

i'm going to guess those are MM measurements


where can i find another block for the blade that goes in for a deeper cut

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Keep in mind, that esc is absolutely a non-starter for pretty much any organized racing. Reverse not allowed unless it can be de-activated, and it usually needs buttons (user programable) to accomplish that.

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So I did a little research on the cars, and have pretty much changed my mind to the Speedmerchant Rev 4.5. I like the lower CG rear pod, and the narrower chassis on the 4.5 over the 3.2R. Is Speedmerchant the only place to get the car or is it carried elsewhere for lower prices?
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I got my Rev 4.5 from hobbyetc.com. I'm pretty sure they're the same price though.
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As has been mentioned, that is not ROAR legal for ROAR sanctioned races. However, if you are on a budget and can't afford a non-reversable speedo, when you are racing at your local track, just make sure you don't use reverse. If you plan on going to a ROAR sanctioned race, then you'll need to change to a non-reversable speedo.

You should be able to make 8 minutes with it. I ran a Quantum Sport for local racing for a while and was still competitive with it and made 8 minutes. The difference in resistance in the speedos isn't that great to drastically affect run-time -- it is primarily how your car is handling and your throttle finger.

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THX for the info, I'll try it. I've been racing a long time and know all about the reverse curse...
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apart from the chassis conversion kits out there,

are there any top plate/radio tray/damper tube kits only for the L4?
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apart from the chassis conversion kits out there,

are there any top plate/radio tray/damper tube kits only for the L4?
I've looked and I had to buy those pieces separately. You can purchase those items separately from either CRC or IRS.
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Has any one used the Novak Super Sport Stock Brushless system on the 1/12s?

Or any brushless?
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Has any one used the Novak Super Sport Stock Brushless system on the 1/12s?

Or any brushless?
I guess I'm getting confused. First you're wondering about making run-time with one of the cheapest esc's on the planet, and one that even if you "know about the reverse curse" our club and many others (pretty much any club subscribing to ROAR rules) would not allow you to run anywhere but the novice class.

Now you're ready to step up to brushless?

Yes, I run brushless (Novak GTB/Velociti 6.5) in 1/12 mod. It can be done.

For your own sake I'd say you need to get VERY clear in your mind (and budget) with what you're expecting out of your racing program because you've proposed two very different routes in two days. Not being flippant--I'm trying to get you to take a very serious look at your racing program.

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Ray, your rollout was spot on, I had the fastest car in qualifying, running about half a sec a lap faster, but in the main, they picked it up and I ended up 2nd ,all in all, the 12x is awesome out of the box, I have a few things im going to try and Ill keep you guys posted.

thanks again
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I guess I'm getting confused. First you're wondering about making run-time with one of the cheapest esc's on the planet, and one that even if you "know about the reverse curse" our club and many others (pretty much any club subscribing to ROAR rules) would not allow you to run anywhere but the novice class.

Now you're ready to step up to brushless?

Yes, I run brushless (Novak GTB/Velociti 6.5) in 1/12 mod. It can be done.

For your own sake I'd say you need to get VERY clear in your mind (and budget) with what you're expecting out of your racing program because you've proposed two very different routes in two days. Not being flippant--I'm trying to get you to take a very serious look at your racing program.

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I hope this clears it up a little....
Not really 2 routes but looking at all my options..
I got the "cheap" ESC for nothing and was wondering if it was worth the time or trouble to install it after hearing both good/bad things about it. I really don't want to use the LRP but I've got to replace an ESC ( I fried one of my GMVCS12 on my Xray T2 last Saturday and moved the VCS12 from the 1/12 to the xray for the rest of the races) but want to look at all my options.

The track I race at is having a 10 race point series ( Electric 10 and 12 scale classes ) and brushless is allowed for the 1/12 class. I've been looking at Brushless systems for a while and this might be the opportunity to get into that type of system. I want to keep all options open....

THX for the info Scottrik,
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Hey Ray,
do you have any idea of what roll out to run 9turn or 10 turn on the gate track for 1/12 scale?
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