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TIRES:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the US:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the Europe:
  • Hot Race ??

Gluing your own donuts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7z1rz-74s - Special thanks to Edward Pickering!
Truing tires:
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The following information came from HERE, with some editing and information added. Thanks Christian!

THIS MAY NEED UPDATING FOR THE NEW BLACK CRC CARPET

Brands:
BSR, CRC, Jaco:
Pro One is no longer selling to the public, but it and the brands above are all mounted by BSR and use the same foam. The nomenclature of the BSR vs Jaco/CRC is a little different in a few instances but is otherwise the same. The BSR foam consists of three families, and can be identifed as synthetics, naturals, and blends.

Synthetics - The old school, light weight, easy to true "dry feeling" tires. These include tires like CRC/Jaco Yellow (BSR White), Black, Gray, etc. These tires offer the highest wear rate and lowest grip. Many racers continue to use these nder high bite conditions.

Naturals - These tires are usually the best alternative for low bite and asphalt. They include Pink, Magenta, Double Pink, Lilac (BSR Team Purple), Purple, and other tires. These tires provide a ton of grip, but tend to get sticky in high bite conditions. This rubber does not wear as easily, and the cars will pick up gunk and fibers from the carpet under most high bite conditions. This is especially bad if the humidity is high.

Blends - These are the tires most people run today. They were initially called "JFT foam" by some, as it was believed that the tires were the same as the JFT tires. We can divide the blends further into two groups: high rubber and low rubber content. The high rubber would be the new rear Orange and Red from the BSR family, and the low rubber would be the Green and Blue varieties. When, asked about the difference, John Foister from BSR Tires said they came from the same "family" of foam, but they offered different grip. According to John, the Green/Blue has more bite than Orange/Red, but from track testing Oranges offer more bite than Green (being equivalent to in hardness) when the grip is high and absolutely no grip when it is lower. The Orange foam has a denser pore structure and the tire is not as prone to chunking. It is also important to note is that BSR Blue rears are not the same as the BSR Blue fronts!

JFT:
JFT stands for Japan Foam Tire. They started the new wave of foam tires we are all using now (Blue/Blu, Green/Greene, Dbl Blue, etc). These tires are a little different than the BSR tire family, but work in very similar conditions. They offers four varieties A (asphalt), C (carpet), S (???), and R (???). This does not mean that those types only work on that surface, but this is what they recommend.

JFT uses the same foam for fronts and rears if the color is the same.

A: Used on asphalt, considered close to the natural rubber variety and are named consistently with other natural tires.
C: Used on carpet, considered a blend.
S: Used on carpet?, tires are ???
R: Used on carpet?, tires are ???

For setup, the JFT foam seem to generate more bite than the BSR, therefore the car tends to be a little more aggressive.

Ulti:
Ulti is another Japanese brand that offers an array of compounds. They have their own way of rating tires, and are difficult to equate to other brands. They have 4 different varieties, each in varying degrees of hardness.

J: High rubber content tire, similar to Pink/ Magenta. Soft would be close to a pink. These offer the most bite and are great for asphalt/carpet front tire. (J hard being very popular)
X: "Balanced" blend, similar to JFT Blue/ Green. Soft is equivalent to Green, medium to Blue in hardness. Great for carpet!
Y: High synthetic blend with lower grip, and is not a very popular variety.
Z: A very expensive "special" foam that is supposed to be magic on asphalt. Only make it in soft shore.
European tires:
There are many great European foam tire brands that use their own types of foam, as well as traditional foams. SOmeone with more knowledge about them will need to fill this in!

Tire Diameter:
If you are racing on carpet, you have to evaluate how much grip your track has. If your track is low to medium grip, you can run bigger tires. If you are on higher bite you have to cut them smaller, there is simply no way around it. Bigger tires are needed for asphalt, especially in the rear. The larger tires provide much needed lateral bite.

Carpet (mm):
Low - Medium Bite
Front: 42.0 - 42.5
Rear: 42.5 - 43.00
Medium - High Bite
Front: 40.5 - 41.0
Rear: 41.5 - 42.0
Big Race
Front: 39.5 - 40.0
Rear: 40.5 - 41.0
Asphalt (mm):
Parking Lot
Front: 43.0 - 44.0
Rear: 44.0 - 45.0
Prepped High Bite
Front: 42.0 - 43.0
Rear: 43.0 - 44.0

Tire Saucing:
Most facilities have moved towards odorless traction additives such as SXT. Some of additives evaporate very quickly and some do not. This seems to be something that is also dependent on tire compound and ambient temperature. For example, saucing a Green compound seems like it never dries, especially when tjhe temperature is lower. We have found that wiping the tires off 15 minutes before we go run allows the sauce to cure, which makes the car come in much quicker with Green rears. Blue compounds on the other hand, do fine when wiped off right before hitting the track.

Saucing half front and full rear is a good initial starting point. If the front of the car is too agressive you can sauce les than half, or for a shorter amount of time.
Tire Fuzzing:
In conditions of increasing grip, foam tires will somewtimes get sticky and pick up fuzz and debris from the track. This is highly dependent on the rubber sedan tire that is being run at your local track and the compound/ type of foam you are running on you car. The softer the sedan tire and the harder/higher rubber content in your foam tire, trouble with fuzzing seems more likely to occur.

There are ways to get around fuzzing under most conditions, and usually involves the selection of the correct foam compound. The more fuzz you get, the softer/lower rubber content you want to run.

Examples:
Problem: Car fuzzes with Lilac/Team Purple fronts and car starts pushing.
Solution: Use a softer front tire and or different family of foam. Replace it with Blue or Double Blue front.

Problem: Car loses rear bite 6 minutes into the run. Blue rear tires look almost clean but have small carpet hairs.
Solution: Use Green rear tires. The softer compound wears instead of getting sticky, minimizing fuzz.

Tire Selection:
Starting out, pick 2 tire compounds for the front and rear. The following should have you covered 99% of the time.

Front - Green and Blue (BSR) or Green and Light Blue (JFT)
Rear - Blue and Double Blue (BSR) or Blue and Dark Blue (JFT)

You may wonder about other compounds out there and if they might be better, trust me, they probably won't be. Even if there are other tires that can be as fast, the synthetic family wears out really fast and the high natural rubber will probably fuzz on you over an 8 minute run. The blends family seems to be the most versatile foam type available today. They last awhile, and sticking to them will make your process of tire selection simpler.
Tire Charts:
BSR/CRC/Jaco



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ELECTRONICS:
ESC:
As of now, ROAR is staying 1S (3.7V nominal; 4.2V fully charged) for 1/12. There are many 1S ESC's with a built in BEC so nothing else is required to power the receiver and servo.

If you don't want to lock yourself into a 1S specific ESC, you do have other options! It is possible to use your 2S ESC without a booster or receiver pack, and the ESC simply supplies the lower voltage. If that does not appeal to you, you will need to use an Rx pack or booster. The Rx pack and booster will both supply the receiver with a higher voltage than the 1S pack.

If you decide to use an Rx pack, MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THE RED WIRE FROM THE ESC PLUG THAT GOES INTO THE RECEIVER!!!

If you choose to use a voltage booster, it works exactly how it sounds. Instead of plugging the ESC into the receiver, it plugs into the booster, and the booster plug goes to the ESC, supplying the higher voltage.

1S ESC:
If there are any missing please add them!!

If anyone would like a need for a chart comparing the ESC's specs PM fenton06 and I'll get one made and put in here!
Voltage Boosters:
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Servos:
BODIES:
Black Art (CRC - US Dist):
  • Audi R8C - BA002 - .020 Thick



  • Black Market (Mohawk 12) - BA005 - .020



  • Lola B10 - BA006 - .020 thick
  • Toyota TS030 - BA008 - .020 thick

    Lola - black/red, TS030 - green/pink


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Old 09-09-2006, 09:30 PM   #20431
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Old 09-09-2006, 09:38 PM   #20432
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Where can I check out more info on the OD12 and where can I purchase one? Also, how much? What about support and parts...is there a website or shops that carry them?
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yes you do want to run traction compound.there are alot of different combinations that people use and they all work very well.i use paragon and suntan lotion.what i do is i apply paragon to tires first doing the full rear tire on both and on the front i only put in on the inside 1/2 of the tire.i let it sit for about 15 minutes and then apply high SPF(30 plus) thin cheap watery suntan lotion over the top of the paragon.i leave it on until about 1 minute before my race and wipe the tires off really good.before you race do some slow runs through the corners to scrub the tires in to wipe off the remainder of the slick surface of the foam.you will feel it come into check.once the car feels locked down to the track,put her on the starting grid and lay it down!!
OK. I'll try some paragon I think. What does the sunscreen do for it? Also, how often do you apply the stuff. I havent raced yet, just trying to get used to the car on some smooth parking lots before I hit up the track. It would be nice to get past half throttle for once. Thanks.
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the sunscreen keeps the conditions the foam and keeps the foam clean throughout the run.you will see a big change in traction
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i apply this before each run.
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Old 09-09-2006, 10:17 PM   #20436
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i have our DB12 car as coming soon on our website.the conversion has been around for over a year now.it has won and made the top 3 at a bunch of national event both indoors and outdoors.pretty much all the 1/12th cars will work on asphalt.i have not seen many asphalt specific cars to be honest with you.being that the majority of flex is aborbed by a T plate or sidesprings,a flexi chassis does not necesarily make a good asphalt car.Adrian M will tell you the same thing.we did testing on flexi and rigid chassis on asphalt.the flexi car was not as good.Paul Wynn has tried both also and prefers the more rigid car.the stock 12L4 is an excelent asphalt car and is also not a flexi car.the only car that i can see being specific for asphalt is the yokomo which also seems to be suited more toward a large sweeping track due to the further spread battery location.
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That's not the OD12, I don't know what Diggity Designs calls that car but it couldn't be further from the design of my car.

www.OD12.com
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This is a pretty long thread, so I'll ask this here instead of trying to search for this...

Has anyone on this forum used a MaxAmps 7.4 Saddle pack lipo in a 12th scale?? I have a CRC T Fource and I'm thinking about purchasing a 6 cell chassis for it and using that lipo pack.


a) Does the reduced weight of the lipo make the car's handling unstable and perhaps undrivable (These things seem twitchy already... I can't imagine how they'd handle with up to a third less weight ..)???

2) How tight is the electronics fit when using this pack?? I utilize a GTX speedo, mini servo (not a micro, ultra small one), and a JR 310 receiver.

3) I would like to see if I can race this setup in our 19 turn class . However, while the other racers would be using a 4 cell IB4200/ 19 turn motor combo, I would use a 7.2 lipo, P2K stock motor (with an Orion V2 stock motor endbell) combo..... I'm guessing, weight differences not withstanding, that my combo would probably have more power and thus be deemed illegal by my fellow racers.... what do you think???

I'm just tired of running nimhs.. out of six 4 cell matched IB3800 packs, only 3 are operating at full capacity after 3 months of racing...the other three packs have bad cells .. I do hit things quite hard with that car, so that may account for some of it ... But I really like the Orion lipos I'm running in offroad, and was hoping that I could utilize that technology in 12th scale..

Any thoughts??

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As far as asphalt is concerned I've been running the Slapmaster MS2.3 which actually turned out to be a pretty outstanding asphalt machine but this winter I'm putting up my OD12 against it
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Go Mr. Bee!!
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car looks nice OD.
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car looks nice OD.
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I'd have to agree, looks pretty nice OD...
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That's not the OD12, I don't know what Diggity Designs calls that car but it couldn't be further from the design of my car.

www.OD12.com
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Thanks very much, guys

Marcos, you'll have to agree it is a slightly different design philosophy

here's the car we'll be running at Vegas:
looks the same but its shorter, narrower and stiffer
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