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TIRES:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the US:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the Europe:
  • Hot Race ??

Gluing your own donuts:
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The following information came from HERE, with some editing and information added. Thanks Christian!

THIS MAY NEED UPDATING FOR THE NEW BLACK CRC CARPET

Brands:
BSR, CRC, Jaco:
Pro One is no longer selling to the public, but it and the brands above are all mounted by BSR and use the same foam. The nomenclature of the BSR vs Jaco/CRC is a little different in a few instances but is otherwise the same. The BSR foam consists of three families, and can be identifed as synthetics, naturals, and blends.

Synthetics - The old school, light weight, easy to true "dry feeling" tires. These include tires like CRC/Jaco Yellow (BSR White), Black, Gray, etc. These tires offer the highest wear rate and lowest grip. Many racers continue to use these nder high bite conditions.

Naturals - These tires are usually the best alternative for low bite and asphalt. They include Pink, Magenta, Double Pink, Lilac (BSR Team Purple), Purple, and other tires. These tires provide a ton of grip, but tend to get sticky in high bite conditions. This rubber does not wear as easily, and the cars will pick up gunk and fibers from the carpet under most high bite conditions. This is especially bad if the humidity is high.

Blends - These are the tires most people run today. They were initially called "JFT foam" by some, as it was believed that the tires were the same as the JFT tires. We can divide the blends further into two groups: high rubber and low rubber content. The high rubber would be the new rear Orange and Red from the BSR family, and the low rubber would be the Green and Blue varieties. When, asked about the difference, John Foister from BSR Tires said they came from the same "family" of foam, but they offered different grip. According to John, the Green/Blue has more bite than Orange/Red, but from track testing Oranges offer more bite than Green (being equivalent to in hardness) when the grip is high and absolutely no grip when it is lower. The Orange foam has a denser pore structure and the tire is not as prone to chunking. It is also important to note is that BSR Blue rears are not the same as the BSR Blue fronts!

JFT:
JFT stands for Japan Foam Tire. They started the new wave of foam tires we are all using now (Blue/Blu, Green/Greene, Dbl Blue, etc). These tires are a little different than the BSR tire family, but work in very similar conditions. They offers four varieties A (asphalt), C (carpet), S (???), and R (???). This does not mean that those types only work on that surface, but this is what they recommend.

JFT uses the same foam for fronts and rears if the color is the same.

A: Used on asphalt, considered close to the natural rubber variety and are named consistently with other natural tires.
C: Used on carpet, considered a blend.
S: Used on carpet?, tires are ???
R: Used on carpet?, tires are ???

For setup, the JFT foam seem to generate more bite than the BSR, therefore the car tends to be a little more aggressive.

Ulti:
Ulti is another Japanese brand that offers an array of compounds. They have their own way of rating tires, and are difficult to equate to other brands. They have 4 different varieties, each in varying degrees of hardness.

J: High rubber content tire, similar to Pink/ Magenta. Soft would be close to a pink. These offer the most bite and are great for asphalt/carpet front tire. (J hard being very popular)
X: "Balanced" blend, similar to JFT Blue/ Green. Soft is equivalent to Green, medium to Blue in hardness. Great for carpet!
Y: High synthetic blend with lower grip, and is not a very popular variety.
Z: A very expensive "special" foam that is supposed to be magic on asphalt. Only make it in soft shore.
European tires:
There are many great European foam tire brands that use their own types of foam, as well as traditional foams. SOmeone with more knowledge about them will need to fill this in!

Tire Diameter:
If you are racing on carpet, you have to evaluate how much grip your track has. If your track is low to medium grip, you can run bigger tires. If you are on higher bite you have to cut them smaller, there is simply no way around it. Bigger tires are needed for asphalt, especially in the rear. The larger tires provide much needed lateral bite.

Carpet (mm):
Low - Medium Bite
Front: 42.0 - 42.5
Rear: 42.5 - 43.00
Medium - High Bite
Front: 40.5 - 41.0
Rear: 41.5 - 42.0
Big Race
Front: 39.5 - 40.0
Rear: 40.5 - 41.0
Asphalt (mm):
Parking Lot
Front: 43.0 - 44.0
Rear: 44.0 - 45.0
Prepped High Bite
Front: 42.0 - 43.0
Rear: 43.0 - 44.0

Tire Saucing:
Most facilities have moved towards odorless traction additives such as SXT. Some of additives evaporate very quickly and some do not. This seems to be something that is also dependent on tire compound and ambient temperature. For example, saucing a Green compound seems like it never dries, especially when tjhe temperature is lower. We have found that wiping the tires off 15 minutes before we go run allows the sauce to cure, which makes the car come in much quicker with Green rears. Blue compounds on the other hand, do fine when wiped off right before hitting the track.

Saucing half front and full rear is a good initial starting point. If the front of the car is too agressive you can sauce les than half, or for a shorter amount of time.
Tire Fuzzing:
In conditions of increasing grip, foam tires will somewtimes get sticky and pick up fuzz and debris from the track. This is highly dependent on the rubber sedan tire that is being run at your local track and the compound/ type of foam you are running on you car. The softer the sedan tire and the harder/higher rubber content in your foam tire, trouble with fuzzing seems more likely to occur.

There are ways to get around fuzzing under most conditions, and usually involves the selection of the correct foam compound. The more fuzz you get, the softer/lower rubber content you want to run.

Examples:
Problem: Car fuzzes with Lilac/Team Purple fronts and car starts pushing.
Solution: Use a softer front tire and or different family of foam. Replace it with Blue or Double Blue front.

Problem: Car loses rear bite 6 minutes into the run. Blue rear tires look almost clean but have small carpet hairs.
Solution: Use Green rear tires. The softer compound wears instead of getting sticky, minimizing fuzz.

Tire Selection:
Starting out, pick 2 tire compounds for the front and rear. The following should have you covered 99% of the time.

Front - Green and Blue (BSR) or Green and Light Blue (JFT)
Rear - Blue and Double Blue (BSR) or Blue and Dark Blue (JFT)

You may wonder about other compounds out there and if they might be better, trust me, they probably won't be. Even if there are other tires that can be as fast, the synthetic family wears out really fast and the high natural rubber will probably fuzz on you over an 8 minute run. The blends family seems to be the most versatile foam type available today. They last awhile, and sticking to them will make your process of tire selection simpler.
Tire Charts:
BSR/CRC/Jaco



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JFT (Japan Foam Tire)



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Enneti (Xceed)



ELECTRONICS:
ESC:
As of now, ROAR is staying 1S (3.7V nominal; 4.2V fully charged) for 1/12. There are many 1S ESC's with a built in BEC so nothing else is required to power the receiver and servo.

If you don't want to lock yourself into a 1S specific ESC, you do have other options! It is possible to use your 2S ESC without a booster or receiver pack, and the ESC simply supplies the lower voltage. If that does not appeal to you, you will need to use an Rx pack or booster. The Rx pack and booster will both supply the receiver with a higher voltage than the 1S pack.

If you decide to use an Rx pack, MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THE RED WIRE FROM THE ESC PLUG THAT GOES INTO THE RECEIVER!!!

If you choose to use a voltage booster, it works exactly how it sounds. Instead of plugging the ESC into the receiver, it plugs into the booster, and the booster plug goes to the ESC, supplying the higher voltage.

1S ESC:
If there are any missing please add them!!

If anyone would like a need for a chart comparing the ESC's specs PM fenton06 and I'll get one made and put in here!
Voltage Boosters:
If there are any missing please add them!
Servos:
BODIES:
Black Art (CRC - US Dist):
  • Audi R8C - BA002 - .020 Thick



  • Black Market (Mohawk 12) - BA005 - .020



  • Lola B10 - BA006 - .020 thick
  • Toyota TS030 - BA008 - .020 thick

    Lola - black/red, TS030 - green/pink


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Old 07-30-2006, 04:36 PM   #19636
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i ran the prototype today with a 10x1.the car was very good.very easy to drive and very predictable.i will need to try a little more set up on it to get a slight bit more steering out of it being that it is a 2.25mm chassis plate.this roll center change may have planted the rear too much.if i can get a little more steering for the tight sections,it will be perfect.this will make it a do all surface chassis kit.it seemed to only push slightly in 1 turn coming off a high speed sweeper.the turn is very tight.i may be being picky but i want perfection.im about 99% with the new car.i know exactly what i want to do to fix this also.i should have it ready for production shortly.3-4 weeks tops.overall i am very happy so far.it ran well enough for a TQ and win today.
My DB12 did really good but not even near as Jason's!! Jason's car was planted, I think that the brushless has too much rip out of the corner, well maybe nest time "Jason I need your setup!!!" by the way Jason had no problems with a 10t motor with the spektrum receiver , he didnt use a power cap or a receiver pack and had plenty of runtime.

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The DB12 sounds like it will be my next car. Will it be a full kit or just another after market chassis kit/ upgrade? This car sounds to be like it might handle the track I run on real well. I am looking forward to more information about the DB12 from those who have run or tested it.
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The DB12 sounds like it will be my next car. Will it be a full kit or just another after market chassis kit/ upgrade? This car sounds to be like it might handle the track I run on real well. I am looking forward to more information about the DB12 from those who have run or tested it.
I ran it today and it was awesome alot better than my AH12.As far as the kit Jason should be able to give you more info, Today it was my first full race day with it Im going to change some things that Jason suggested and Ill be running it again this weekend carpet then asphalt on sunday ( Ill need help J!! )
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Can anyone here post the link where I can get the optional diff thrust bearings. I can't remember it now.

I read that it makes diffs last longer and smoother as well.
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Can anyone here post the link where I can get the optional diff thrust bearings. I can't remember it now.

I read that it makes diffs last longer and smoother as well.
Here you go: http://www.slapmastertools.com/

I have been running it in my 12th for the past few weeks and my diff is still perfect. It's worth the cash.

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The DB12 sounds like it will be my next car. Will it be a full kit or just another after market chassis kit/ upgrade? This car sounds to be like it might handle the track I run on real well. I am looking forward to more information about the DB12 from those who have run or tested it.
i have been doing extensive testing on all forms of surfaces of varying traction.i have been able to tune the car to each condition i have thrown at it.with this new kit,my task is to remove weight and lower the cg with minimal to no roll center change from the existing BMI kit.i am very pleased with the performance of the existing 1/12th conversion.it was just a bit heavier than i would like.i am working on a sleek new look,extreme light weight,and handling improvement(never ending task).
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there will be a full car but will probably make its debut as a conversion first.
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Just wanted to post some pics of the new prototype D12 V2 that will be available this fall from Diggity Designs. The new battery brace/top plate allows the use of 2 CEFX dampeners or you can use 2 side shocks. The bottom and top pod plates are both redesigned along with a skinnier chassis, shorter lower links to allow mounting the electronics farther to the rear and the chassis has both mounting holes for either size front body posts. The kit will be available only in black at first but then in this silver. We expect it to be available to the public by the end of August beginning of September. This is a conversion kit and will eventually be available as a complete kit. www.diggitydesigns.com





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Dude! I want that! Cant wait for the Black Kit. Better hold off on buying a 12th scale!
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looks like alot of work to change batteries
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looks like alot of work to change batteries
looks like you take out three screws and the entire top deck can lift up. better then tape

does it use really small tweak springs or ? I see something below the set-screw but can't make it out.
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yes it does use tweak springs.
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looks like you take out three screws and the entire top deck can lift up. better then tape

does it use really small tweak springs or ? I see something below the set-screw but can't make it out.
Ill stick with tape anyday
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Looks like the Rug burn will be doing its thing at the minnreg this weekend.
Man I am am wanting to hang corners on rails!

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