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TIRES:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the US:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the Europe:
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Gluing your own donuts:
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The following information came from HERE, with some editing and information added. Thanks Christian!

THIS MAY NEED UPDATING FOR THE NEW BLACK CRC CARPET

Brands:
BSR, CRC, Jaco:
Pro One is no longer selling to the public, but it and the brands above are all mounted by BSR and use the same foam. The nomenclature of the BSR vs Jaco/CRC is a little different in a few instances but is otherwise the same. The BSR foam consists of three families, and can be identifed as synthetics, naturals, and blends.

Synthetics - The old school, light weight, easy to true "dry feeling" tires. These include tires like CRC/Jaco Yellow (BSR White), Black, Gray, etc. These tires offer the highest wear rate and lowest grip. Many racers continue to use these nder high bite conditions.

Naturals - These tires are usually the best alternative for low bite and asphalt. They include Pink, Magenta, Double Pink, Lilac (BSR Team Purple), Purple, and other tires. These tires provide a ton of grip, but tend to get sticky in high bite conditions. This rubber does not wear as easily, and the cars will pick up gunk and fibers from the carpet under most high bite conditions. This is especially bad if the humidity is high.

Blends - These are the tires most people run today. They were initially called "JFT foam" by some, as it was believed that the tires were the same as the JFT tires. We can divide the blends further into two groups: high rubber and low rubber content. The high rubber would be the new rear Orange and Red from the BSR family, and the low rubber would be the Green and Blue varieties. When, asked about the difference, John Foister from BSR Tires said they came from the same "family" of foam, but they offered different grip. According to John, the Green/Blue has more bite than Orange/Red, but from track testing Oranges offer more bite than Green (being equivalent to in hardness) when the grip is high and absolutely no grip when it is lower. The Orange foam has a denser pore structure and the tire is not as prone to chunking. It is also important to note is that BSR Blue rears are not the same as the BSR Blue fronts!

JFT:
JFT stands for Japan Foam Tire. They started the new wave of foam tires we are all using now (Blue/Blu, Green/Greene, Dbl Blue, etc). These tires are a little different than the BSR tire family, but work in very similar conditions. They offers four varieties A (asphalt), C (carpet), S (???), and R (???). This does not mean that those types only work on that surface, but this is what they recommend.

JFT uses the same foam for fronts and rears if the color is the same.

A: Used on asphalt, considered close to the natural rubber variety and are named consistently with other natural tires.
C: Used on carpet, considered a blend.
S: Used on carpet?, tires are ???
R: Used on carpet?, tires are ???

For setup, the JFT foam seem to generate more bite than the BSR, therefore the car tends to be a little more aggressive.

Ulti:
Ulti is another Japanese brand that offers an array of compounds. They have their own way of rating tires, and are difficult to equate to other brands. They have 4 different varieties, each in varying degrees of hardness.

J: High rubber content tire, similar to Pink/ Magenta. Soft would be close to a pink. These offer the most bite and are great for asphalt/carpet front tire. (J hard being very popular)
X: "Balanced" blend, similar to JFT Blue/ Green. Soft is equivalent to Green, medium to Blue in hardness. Great for carpet!
Y: High synthetic blend with lower grip, and is not a very popular variety.
Z: A very expensive "special" foam that is supposed to be magic on asphalt. Only make it in soft shore.
European tires:
There are many great European foam tire brands that use their own types of foam, as well as traditional foams. SOmeone with more knowledge about them will need to fill this in!

Tire Diameter:
If you are racing on carpet, you have to evaluate how much grip your track has. If your track is low to medium grip, you can run bigger tires. If you are on higher bite you have to cut them smaller, there is simply no way around it. Bigger tires are needed for asphalt, especially in the rear. The larger tires provide much needed lateral bite.

Carpet (mm):
Low - Medium Bite
Front: 42.0 - 42.5
Rear: 42.5 - 43.00
Medium - High Bite
Front: 40.5 - 41.0
Rear: 41.5 - 42.0
Big Race
Front: 39.5 - 40.0
Rear: 40.5 - 41.0
Asphalt (mm):
Parking Lot
Front: 43.0 - 44.0
Rear: 44.0 - 45.0
Prepped High Bite
Front: 42.0 - 43.0
Rear: 43.0 - 44.0

Tire Saucing:
Most facilities have moved towards odorless traction additives such as SXT. Some of additives evaporate very quickly and some do not. This seems to be something that is also dependent on tire compound and ambient temperature. For example, saucing a Green compound seems like it never dries, especially when tjhe temperature is lower. We have found that wiping the tires off 15 minutes before we go run allows the sauce to cure, which makes the car come in much quicker with Green rears. Blue compounds on the other hand, do fine when wiped off right before hitting the track.

Saucing half front and full rear is a good initial starting point. If the front of the car is too agressive you can sauce les than half, or for a shorter amount of time.
Tire Fuzzing:
In conditions of increasing grip, foam tires will somewtimes get sticky and pick up fuzz and debris from the track. This is highly dependent on the rubber sedan tire that is being run at your local track and the compound/ type of foam you are running on you car. The softer the sedan tire and the harder/higher rubber content in your foam tire, trouble with fuzzing seems more likely to occur.

There are ways to get around fuzzing under most conditions, and usually involves the selection of the correct foam compound. The more fuzz you get, the softer/lower rubber content you want to run.

Examples:
Problem: Car fuzzes with Lilac/Team Purple fronts and car starts pushing.
Solution: Use a softer front tire and or different family of foam. Replace it with Blue or Double Blue front.

Problem: Car loses rear bite 6 minutes into the run. Blue rear tires look almost clean but have small carpet hairs.
Solution: Use Green rear tires. The softer compound wears instead of getting sticky, minimizing fuzz.

Tire Selection:
Starting out, pick 2 tire compounds for the front and rear. The following should have you covered 99% of the time.

Front - Green and Blue (BSR) or Green and Light Blue (JFT)
Rear - Blue and Double Blue (BSR) or Blue and Dark Blue (JFT)

You may wonder about other compounds out there and if they might be better, trust me, they probably won't be. Even if there are other tires that can be as fast, the synthetic family wears out really fast and the high natural rubber will probably fuzz on you over an 8 minute run. The blends family seems to be the most versatile foam type available today. They last awhile, and sticking to them will make your process of tire selection simpler.
Tire Charts:
BSR/CRC/Jaco



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ELECTRONICS:
ESC:
As of now, ROAR is staying 1S (3.7V nominal; 4.2V fully charged) for 1/12. There are many 1S ESC's with a built in BEC so nothing else is required to power the receiver and servo.

If you don't want to lock yourself into a 1S specific ESC, you do have other options! It is possible to use your 2S ESC without a booster or receiver pack, and the ESC simply supplies the lower voltage. If that does not appeal to you, you will need to use an Rx pack or booster. The Rx pack and booster will both supply the receiver with a higher voltage than the 1S pack.

If you decide to use an Rx pack, MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THE RED WIRE FROM THE ESC PLUG THAT GOES INTO THE RECEIVER!!!

If you choose to use a voltage booster, it works exactly how it sounds. Instead of plugging the ESC into the receiver, it plugs into the booster, and the booster plug goes to the ESC, supplying the higher voltage.

1S ESC:
If there are any missing please add them!!

If anyone would like a need for a chart comparing the ESC's specs PM fenton06 and I'll get one made and put in here!
Voltage Boosters:
If there are any missing please add them!
Servos:
BODIES:
Black Art (CRC - US Dist):
  • Audi R8C - BA002 - .020 Thick



  • Black Market (Mohawk 12) - BA005 - .020



  • Lola B10 - BA006 - .020 thick
  • Toyota TS030 - BA008 - .020 thick

    Lola - black/red, TS030 - green/pink


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Old 07-17-2006, 01:34 PM   #19381
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The track has a website/message board. Maybe ask on the message board or call the track.

http://www.freepowerboards.com/fastl...s-forum-5.html
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Old 07-17-2006, 02:16 PM   #19382
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the best bang for the buck is the cheapest grape soda. grape usually has the most sugar content. go to the dollar store, sav a lot or whatever the discount food store is. stroll down the soda aisle and look at the labels for sugars. around here, $6 will cover my local track. 110x55' i believe.

so there's little reason not to do it unless you are worried about weather goofing it up.

just some notes
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I think Jim meant without spraying the track. There is usually no bite on un-sprayed surfaces for 1/12th.
Here in New Zealand it is against the rules to use any additive on your tires and it is also against the rules to spray anything on the tracks.
But we run 12th on Ashfelt all the time. Infact this past week just gone we had 9 at my local track. Grip was great and in fact I am thinking of going away from pink rears to double pink rears to try and free up the car a little. It has to much rear grip.
I think as a whole the RC community needs to get away from any additives. Most tracks have more than enough grip for our cars with out additives.
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Old 07-17-2006, 03:18 PM   #19384
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You obviously haven't raced on our local asphalt tracks
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Fatbear needs to visit the UK and run a few of their nationals. I think the British invented drifting long before the Japanese

In reality if you spray a track properly it should not be sticky. The true function of sugar water or soda is to keep down any dust that could not be blown off the track when it is being preped.
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and your tires will smell good.
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Here in New Zealand it is against the rules to use any additive on your tires and it is also against the rules to spray anything on the tracks.
Yeah we have a nice racing groove at the albany track now, a few years ago the grip levels were pretty bad.

I think I will need to go to softer fronts, and definately harder rears, as I had more than enough understeer.

Was great fun though
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OH SNAP.................. 11.9

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Here's the A-main...we both did a lot of 11.9's. My motor faded hard at the end...I have to figure out what happened there.

Race# 5 -- 12 scale 19 turn - A Main --
Pos Car Laps time name id
1 1 40 8:08.73 Jason breiner 20
2 2 38 8:05.78 Adrian Martinez 24



-- RACE #5 - 12 scale 19 turn -
Car-> __1__ __2__ __3__ __4__ __5__ __6__ __7__ __8__ __9__ __0__
1 1/ 9.9 2/10.1
2 1/12.2 2/12.3
3 1/12.3 2/12.3
4 1/12.4 2/14.7
5 1/12.1 2/11.9
6 1/12.2 2/12.0
7 1/12.8 2/11.9
8 1/12.4 2/12.0
9 1/12.1 2/11.9
10 1/12.0 2/11.9
11 1/11.9 2/12.1
12 1/12.2 2/12.1
13 1/12.2 2/12.0
14 1/12.3 2/12.2
15 1/12.0 2/12.2
16 1/12.1 2/11.9
17 1/11.9 2/12.1
18 1/12.0 2/12.3
19 1/11.9 2/12.1
20 1/12.0 2/12.2
21 1/12.0 2/12.3
22 1/12.1 2/12.5
23 1/12.1 2/12.3
24 1/11.9 2/14.0
25 1/12.2 2/18.9
26 1/12.1 2/12.9
27 1/12.2 2/12.4
28 1/12.2 2/
29 1/12.4 2/14.6
30 1/12.7 2/14.0
31 1/12.2 2/13.8
32 1/12.4 2/12.7
33 1/12.3 2/12.5
34 1/12.2 2/12.5
35 1/12.3 2/12.7
36 1/12.2 2/13.1
37 1/12.3 2/12.7
38 1/12.6 2/12.9
39 1/12.3 2/14.7
40 1/12.8 2/
_____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____
laps 40 38
time 488.7 485.7
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damn brutha,i didnt see the main results.your motor fell off pretty bad bro.i remember you telling me that but i didnt see how much.you shoulda asked for my motor from the heats bro.it was fast and stayed really good throughout the race.actually,i liked it better than the one i ran in the main i think.what do you say we run some mod next time so we dont need to keep pissing around for power on the 19's.i talked to Pdub about it today.he said he may run with us too.it will be fun.race to see who can break there car faster.
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hey adrian,by the way,you were really fast this weekend bro in touring and 1/12th.you had some bad luck but really did run good.had a blast this weekend bro.
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I am willing to pay for all of the cherry Coke and the sprayer if they will allow us to spray. It will not do anything to the surface of the parking lot and its environmental friendly as it's just sugar water. But of course, I guess this is a question to put to the race promoters.
Its at a Highschool and the city won't let them spray. Yeah it might me 30spf time!!!

feel free to ask questions here in this thread...

http://www.rctech.net/forum/showthre...80#post2511080
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hey adrian,by the way,you were really fast this weekend bro in touring and 1/12th.you had some bad luck but really did run good.had a blast this weekend bro.
Hey the best man won. I had to take chances just to keep up and I paid for it with a launch off the dots here or there.

I had a blast and getting 2nd is cool if the racing is fast and clean. I was not at all dissapointed in my results.

I am all for running Mod 12!!! Brushed or Brushless?
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brushed!! the brushless is too damn big for my liking. plus,all i got for mod brushless is a 4.5.i would be pulling some evil kenevil stunts off the dots with that bad boy. i figure something mild like a 10 turn.what do you think?
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At the 05' Nats Lufaso ran a Reedy Neo One 6.5T (3Star?) and won. Blackstock and PW ran Reedy Ti3 10's.

10's wont be mild at all but thats the right motor to run.
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yeah,the LRP dont have the heatsink on the speedo though.my speedo would stick out of the body like a nitro engine. i ran a 10 in mine at b and b.it was really smoothe and pretty easy to drive.i just dont wanna do no 7's in the car ya know
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