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TIRES:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the US:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the Europe:
  • Hot Race ??

Gluing your own donuts:
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Truing tires:
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The following information came from HERE, with some editing and information added. Thanks Christian!

THIS MAY NEED UPDATING FOR THE NEW BLACK CRC CARPET

Brands:
BSR, CRC, Jaco:
Pro One is no longer selling to the public, but it and the brands above are all mounted by BSR and use the same foam. The nomenclature of the BSR vs Jaco/CRC is a little different in a few instances but is otherwise the same. The BSR foam consists of three families, and can be identifed as synthetics, naturals, and blends.

Synthetics - The old school, light weight, easy to true "dry feeling" tires. These include tires like CRC/Jaco Yellow (BSR White), Black, Gray, etc. These tires offer the highest wear rate and lowest grip. Many racers continue to use these nder high bite conditions.

Naturals - These tires are usually the best alternative for low bite and asphalt. They include Pink, Magenta, Double Pink, Lilac (BSR Team Purple), Purple, and other tires. These tires provide a ton of grip, but tend to get sticky in high bite conditions. This rubber does not wear as easily, and the cars will pick up gunk and fibers from the carpet under most high bite conditions. This is especially bad if the humidity is high.

Blends - These are the tires most people run today. They were initially called "JFT foam" by some, as it was believed that the tires were the same as the JFT tires. We can divide the blends further into two groups: high rubber and low rubber content. The high rubber would be the new rear Orange and Red from the BSR family, and the low rubber would be the Green and Blue varieties. When, asked about the difference, John Foister from BSR Tires said they came from the same "family" of foam, but they offered different grip. According to John, the Green/Blue has more bite than Orange/Red, but from track testing Oranges offer more bite than Green (being equivalent to in hardness) when the grip is high and absolutely no grip when it is lower. The Orange foam has a denser pore structure and the tire is not as prone to chunking. It is also important to note is that BSR Blue rears are not the same as the BSR Blue fronts!

JFT:
JFT stands for Japan Foam Tire. They started the new wave of foam tires we are all using now (Blue/Blu, Green/Greene, Dbl Blue, etc). These tires are a little different than the BSR tire family, but work in very similar conditions. They offers four varieties A (asphalt), C (carpet), S (???), and R (???). This does not mean that those types only work on that surface, but this is what they recommend.

JFT uses the same foam for fronts and rears if the color is the same.

A: Used on asphalt, considered close to the natural rubber variety and are named consistently with other natural tires.
C: Used on carpet, considered a blend.
S: Used on carpet?, tires are ???
R: Used on carpet?, tires are ???

For setup, the JFT foam seem to generate more bite than the BSR, therefore the car tends to be a little more aggressive.

Ulti:
Ulti is another Japanese brand that offers an array of compounds. They have their own way of rating tires, and are difficult to equate to other brands. They have 4 different varieties, each in varying degrees of hardness.

J: High rubber content tire, similar to Pink/ Magenta. Soft would be close to a pink. These offer the most bite and are great for asphalt/carpet front tire. (J hard being very popular)
X: "Balanced" blend, similar to JFT Blue/ Green. Soft is equivalent to Green, medium to Blue in hardness. Great for carpet!
Y: High synthetic blend with lower grip, and is not a very popular variety.
Z: A very expensive "special" foam that is supposed to be magic on asphalt. Only make it in soft shore.
European tires:
There are many great European foam tire brands that use their own types of foam, as well as traditional foams. SOmeone with more knowledge about them will need to fill this in!

Tire Diameter:
If you are racing on carpet, you have to evaluate how much grip your track has. If your track is low to medium grip, you can run bigger tires. If you are on higher bite you have to cut them smaller, there is simply no way around it. Bigger tires are needed for asphalt, especially in the rear. The larger tires provide much needed lateral bite.

Carpet (mm):
Low - Medium Bite
Front: 42.0 - 42.5
Rear: 42.5 - 43.00
Medium - High Bite
Front: 40.5 - 41.0
Rear: 41.5 - 42.0
Big Race
Front: 39.5 - 40.0
Rear: 40.5 - 41.0
Asphalt (mm):
Parking Lot
Front: 43.0 - 44.0
Rear: 44.0 - 45.0
Prepped High Bite
Front: 42.0 - 43.0
Rear: 43.0 - 44.0

Tire Saucing:
Most facilities have moved towards odorless traction additives such as SXT. Some of additives evaporate very quickly and some do not. This seems to be something that is also dependent on tire compound and ambient temperature. For example, saucing a Green compound seems like it never dries, especially when tjhe temperature is lower. We have found that wiping the tires off 15 minutes before we go run allows the sauce to cure, which makes the car come in much quicker with Green rears. Blue compounds on the other hand, do fine when wiped off right before hitting the track.

Saucing half front and full rear is a good initial starting point. If the front of the car is too agressive you can sauce les than half, or for a shorter amount of time.
Tire Fuzzing:
In conditions of increasing grip, foam tires will somewtimes get sticky and pick up fuzz and debris from the track. This is highly dependent on the rubber sedan tire that is being run at your local track and the compound/ type of foam you are running on you car. The softer the sedan tire and the harder/higher rubber content in your foam tire, trouble with fuzzing seems more likely to occur.

There are ways to get around fuzzing under most conditions, and usually involves the selection of the correct foam compound. The more fuzz you get, the softer/lower rubber content you want to run.

Examples:
Problem: Car fuzzes with Lilac/Team Purple fronts and car starts pushing.
Solution: Use a softer front tire and or different family of foam. Replace it with Blue or Double Blue front.

Problem: Car loses rear bite 6 minutes into the run. Blue rear tires look almost clean but have small carpet hairs.
Solution: Use Green rear tires. The softer compound wears instead of getting sticky, minimizing fuzz.

Tire Selection:
Starting out, pick 2 tire compounds for the front and rear. The following should have you covered 99% of the time.

Front - Green and Blue (BSR) or Green and Light Blue (JFT)
Rear - Blue and Double Blue (BSR) or Blue and Dark Blue (JFT)

You may wonder about other compounds out there and if they might be better, trust me, they probably won't be. Even if there are other tires that can be as fast, the synthetic family wears out really fast and the high natural rubber will probably fuzz on you over an 8 minute run. The blends family seems to be the most versatile foam type available today. They last awhile, and sticking to them will make your process of tire selection simpler.
Tire Charts:
BSR/CRC/Jaco



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ELECTRONICS:
ESC:
As of now, ROAR is staying 1S (3.7V nominal; 4.2V fully charged) for 1/12. There are many 1S ESC's with a built in BEC so nothing else is required to power the receiver and servo.

If you don't want to lock yourself into a 1S specific ESC, you do have other options! It is possible to use your 2S ESC without a booster or receiver pack, and the ESC simply supplies the lower voltage. If that does not appeal to you, you will need to use an Rx pack or booster. The Rx pack and booster will both supply the receiver with a higher voltage than the 1S pack.

If you decide to use an Rx pack, MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THE RED WIRE FROM THE ESC PLUG THAT GOES INTO THE RECEIVER!!!

If you choose to use a voltage booster, it works exactly how it sounds. Instead of plugging the ESC into the receiver, it plugs into the booster, and the booster plug goes to the ESC, supplying the higher voltage.

1S ESC:
If there are any missing please add them!!

If anyone would like a need for a chart comparing the ESC's specs PM fenton06 and I'll get one made and put in here!
Voltage Boosters:
If there are any missing please add them!
Servos:
BODIES:
Black Art (CRC - US Dist):
  • Audi R8C - BA002 - .020 Thick



  • Black Market (Mohawk 12) - BA005 - .020



  • Lola B10 - BA006 - .020 thick
  • Toyota TS030 - BA008 - .020 thick

    Lola - black/red, TS030 - green/pink


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Old 04-16-2006, 04:00 AM   #18136
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thank you for your advise, very useful piece of info. for me!

so what about the parma "Zytec 04S Body"?

thanks

In my experience the zytek isn't so hot. The speed 8 is dialed for stock and the 12 is the best choice generally for mod and 19t.
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In my experience the zytek isn't so hot. The speed 8 is dialed for stock and the 12 is the best choice generally for mod and 19t.

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I've heard that we should CA the tire sidewalls. Any particular brand or type of CA is preferred?
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The Zytec seems to work well when there's not too much traction. It's often used at the tGerman track I run 12th scale at.
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I've heard that we should CA the tire sidewalls. Any particular brand or type of CA is preferred?
Hi Jas,

The only time you really need to glue the sidewalls is when there's a huge amount of traction that's going to cause the car to traction roll. This usually only happens at larger events with many cars putting lots of rubber and compound on the surface or at tracks that are spraying the surface heavily.

In the past I have used a thin Losi CA to cover the sidewall and followed that up with a light sanding to make the surface smooth. After the thin layer of glue has set I would put them on the truer and use a 400 grit sandpaper to take any burrs off.

That's really all there is to it, never had a problem with that process. I have seen many guys just hit the tire with the CA and create a very smooth layer, I just don't have that touch.

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Thanks for the explaination, Nick!
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1 thick layer of blue losi ca then leave it alone. Apply it to the front tires while they are on the car laying down a bead and rotating the tire slowly.
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1 thick layer of blue losi ca then leave it alone. Apply it to the front tires while they are on the car laying down a bead and rotating the tire slowly.
Please note, he's one of those people I mentioned above. Coordination and looks, deadly package.

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You up for some 12th scale on Tuesday?
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I hope so, I'm finishing up all my work from last week right now. So hopefully tuesday will be free all day.

I'll probably just run 12th.
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A week ago I posted a pic of my new PRC Rug Burn and a few eagle eyed readers spotted my Riemon Speed Works Woven Carbon Hollow Tubular Axle and wanted more info. Here is the pricing on the axles and a few other cool parts. Note that the pics are old and all the axles and right hubs are set up for standard "Big D"style diff rings.

Its all a little expensive but this is premium stuff. Riemon Speed Works takes not short cuts and only uses the finest materials. If the products currently available here in the US are like Honda parts these are like Bentley parts

Riemon Speed Works Price
RY001A1 Riemon Woven Carbon Hollow Rear Axle (Big D-Ring) 36.99
RY001CA1 Riemon Clamping Left Hub 24.99
RY005A11 Riemon Right Hub (Big D-Ring) 19.99
RY01401B Riemon Locking Upper Hinge Pin AE Dynamic Front 15.99
RY018A1 Riemon 6/4 Ti Front Axle 11.99
RY02516S Riemon 16pc Alloy Spacer Kit 9.99
RY051ARS Riemon Rear Axle Set (Axle, R.Hub, thrust cone, spring) 69.99
RY058FP Riemon Precision Damper plates and Post 19.99

The Woven Axle is 4x stiffer than a conventional graphite axle and is a lot lighter. I will weigh one tomorrow.

The locking upper hinge pin is really cool. It works with the old or new reactive caster blocks.

The Ti axle has a flange at the base of the axle and is secured with a 4-40 nut behind the spindle so it wont push in or pull out.

The 16pc spacer kit is for making ride height adjustments to the front suspension in .25mm increments. I bet most of these will go to sedan guys as wheels spacers.

The complete rear axle (sort of) gets you most of what you need. You get an axle, right hub, thrust washer and cone spring. You will need a left hub, spur gear, diff balls, diff rings and bearings for complete the axle.

The Damper Plate and Post are the ultimate setup for the damper plate faithful. The plates are dead flat on the bottom and come with an alloy damper post.
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Adrian,

I am interested in the axle, where can i get one.

Thanks
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Adrian,

Is Schumacher going to be a US importer? In other words my LHS is a Schumacher dealer, can I place a order for this stuff through them?
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