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Click links to go to manufacturer product page. If any are missing please add them!

TIRES:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the US:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the Europe:
  • Hot Race ??

Gluing your own donuts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7z1rz-74s - Special thanks to Edward Pickering!
Truing tires:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wqHOLWq6Uc - Special thanks to Edward Pickering!

The following information came from HERE, with some editing and information added. Thanks Christian!

THIS MAY NEED UPDATING FOR THE NEW BLACK CRC CARPET

Brands:
BSR, CRC, Jaco:
Pro One is no longer selling to the public, but it and the brands above are all mounted by BSR and use the same foam. The nomenclature of the BSR vs Jaco/CRC is a little different in a few instances but is otherwise the same. The BSR foam consists of three families, and can be identifed as synthetics, naturals, and blends.

Synthetics - The old school, light weight, easy to true "dry feeling" tires. These include tires like CRC/Jaco Yellow (BSR White), Black, Gray, etc. These tires offer the highest wear rate and lowest grip. Many racers continue to use these nder high bite conditions.

Naturals - These tires are usually the best alternative for low bite and asphalt. They include Pink, Magenta, Double Pink, Lilac (BSR Team Purple), Purple, and other tires. These tires provide a ton of grip, but tend to get sticky in high bite conditions. This rubber does not wear as easily, and the cars will pick up gunk and fibers from the carpet under most high bite conditions. This is especially bad if the humidity is high.

Blends - These are the tires most people run today. They were initially called "JFT foam" by some, as it was believed that the tires were the same as the JFT tires. We can divide the blends further into two groups: high rubber and low rubber content. The high rubber would be the new rear Orange and Red from the BSR family, and the low rubber would be the Green and Blue varieties. When, asked about the difference, John Foister from BSR Tires said they came from the same "family" of foam, but they offered different grip. According to John, the Green/Blue has more bite than Orange/Red, but from track testing Oranges offer more bite than Green (being equivalent to in hardness) when the grip is high and absolutely no grip when it is lower. The Orange foam has a denser pore structure and the tire is not as prone to chunking. It is also important to note is that BSR Blue rears are not the same as the BSR Blue fronts!

JFT:
JFT stands for Japan Foam Tire. They started the new wave of foam tires we are all using now (Blue/Blu, Green/Greene, Dbl Blue, etc). These tires are a little different than the BSR tire family, but work in very similar conditions. They offers four varieties A (asphalt), C (carpet), S (???), and R (???). This does not mean that those types only work on that surface, but this is what they recommend.

JFT uses the same foam for fronts and rears if the color is the same.

A: Used on asphalt, considered close to the natural rubber variety and are named consistently with other natural tires.
C: Used on carpet, considered a blend.
S: Used on carpet?, tires are ???
R: Used on carpet?, tires are ???

For setup, the JFT foam seem to generate more bite than the BSR, therefore the car tends to be a little more aggressive.

Ulti:
Ulti is another Japanese brand that offers an array of compounds. They have their own way of rating tires, and are difficult to equate to other brands. They have 4 different varieties, each in varying degrees of hardness.

J: High rubber content tire, similar to Pink/ Magenta. Soft would be close to a pink. These offer the most bite and are great for asphalt/carpet front tire. (J hard being very popular)
X: "Balanced" blend, similar to JFT Blue/ Green. Soft is equivalent to Green, medium to Blue in hardness. Great for carpet!
Y: High synthetic blend with lower grip, and is not a very popular variety.
Z: A very expensive "special" foam that is supposed to be magic on asphalt. Only make it in soft shore.
European tires:
There are many great European foam tire brands that use their own types of foam, as well as traditional foams. SOmeone with more knowledge about them will need to fill this in!

Tire Diameter:
If you are racing on carpet, you have to evaluate how much grip your track has. If your track is low to medium grip, you can run bigger tires. If you are on higher bite you have to cut them smaller, there is simply no way around it. Bigger tires are needed for asphalt, especially in the rear. The larger tires provide much needed lateral bite.

Carpet (mm):
Low - Medium Bite
Front: 42.0 - 42.5
Rear: 42.5 - 43.00
Medium - High Bite
Front: 40.5 - 41.0
Rear: 41.5 - 42.0
Big Race
Front: 39.5 - 40.0
Rear: 40.5 - 41.0
Asphalt (mm):
Parking Lot
Front: 43.0 - 44.0
Rear: 44.0 - 45.0
Prepped High Bite
Front: 42.0 - 43.0
Rear: 43.0 - 44.0

Tire Saucing:
Most facilities have moved towards odorless traction additives such as SXT. Some of additives evaporate very quickly and some do not. This seems to be something that is also dependent on tire compound and ambient temperature. For example, saucing a Green compound seems like it never dries, especially when tjhe temperature is lower. We have found that wiping the tires off 15 minutes before we go run allows the sauce to cure, which makes the car come in much quicker with Green rears. Blue compounds on the other hand, do fine when wiped off right before hitting the track.

Saucing half front and full rear is a good initial starting point. If the front of the car is too agressive you can sauce les than half, or for a shorter amount of time.
Tire Fuzzing:
In conditions of increasing grip, foam tires will somewtimes get sticky and pick up fuzz and debris from the track. This is highly dependent on the rubber sedan tire that is being run at your local track and the compound/ type of foam you are running on you car. The softer the sedan tire and the harder/higher rubber content in your foam tire, trouble with fuzzing seems more likely to occur.

There are ways to get around fuzzing under most conditions, and usually involves the selection of the correct foam compound. The more fuzz you get, the softer/lower rubber content you want to run.

Examples:
Problem: Car fuzzes with Lilac/Team Purple fronts and car starts pushing.
Solution: Use a softer front tire and or different family of foam. Replace it with Blue or Double Blue front.

Problem: Car loses rear bite 6 minutes into the run. Blue rear tires look almost clean but have small carpet hairs.
Solution: Use Green rear tires. The softer compound wears instead of getting sticky, minimizing fuzz.

Tire Selection:
Starting out, pick 2 tire compounds for the front and rear. The following should have you covered 99% of the time.

Front - Green and Blue (BSR) or Green and Light Blue (JFT)
Rear - Blue and Double Blue (BSR) or Blue and Dark Blue (JFT)

You may wonder about other compounds out there and if they might be better, trust me, they probably won't be. Even if there are other tires that can be as fast, the synthetic family wears out really fast and the high natural rubber will probably fuzz on you over an 8 minute run. The blends family seems to be the most versatile foam type available today. They last awhile, and sticking to them will make your process of tire selection simpler.
Tire Charts:
BSR/CRC/Jaco



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JFT (Japan Foam Tire)



Ulti



Enneti (Xceed)



ELECTRONICS:
ESC:
As of now, ROAR is staying 1S (3.7V nominal; 4.2V fully charged) for 1/12. There are many 1S ESC's with a built in BEC so nothing else is required to power the receiver and servo.

If you don't want to lock yourself into a 1S specific ESC, you do have other options! It is possible to use your 2S ESC without a booster or receiver pack, and the ESC simply supplies the lower voltage. If that does not appeal to you, you will need to use an Rx pack or booster. The Rx pack and booster will both supply the receiver with a higher voltage than the 1S pack.

If you decide to use an Rx pack, MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THE RED WIRE FROM THE ESC PLUG THAT GOES INTO THE RECEIVER!!!

If you choose to use a voltage booster, it works exactly how it sounds. Instead of plugging the ESC into the receiver, it plugs into the booster, and the booster plug goes to the ESC, supplying the higher voltage.

1S ESC:
If there are any missing please add them!!

If anyone would like a need for a chart comparing the ESC's specs PM fenton06 and I'll get one made and put in here!
Voltage Boosters:
If there are any missing please add them!
Servos:
BODIES:
Black Art (CRC - US Dist):
  • Audi R8C - BA002 - .020 Thick



  • Black Market (Mohawk 12) - BA005 - .020



  • Lola B10 - BA006 - .020 thick
  • Toyota TS030 - BA008 - .020 thick

    Lola - black/red, TS030 - green/pink


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Old 10-23-2005, 08:23 PM   #15076
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I have a question I have a 12L4 1/12th scale and I noticed that guys who run on carpet mount there servos flat on the chassis just curious I heard this gives the car more steering entring the turn is this true and what other handling characterisics does this provide to the car any help would be greatly appreciated
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Old 10-23-2005, 08:39 PM   #15077
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lowers cg and reduces ackerman which means less speed scrub in the turns due to the near mirrowed movement of the front wheels.

with angle mount servo ususally the inside wheel turns sharper than the outside.

it comes down to preference some run flat and some run angled.

i run carpet and like the angled mount, yes i've tried both
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Old 10-23-2005, 08:48 PM   #15078
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Does anyone of you guys (or gals ) know where i can stil get a hold of some TRC Yellow 1/12th donuts?
Now i know a lot of you will start with "don't buy those, buy brand X with Y compound", but please try not to

Thanks
haven't seen any for sale for quite awhile. price coming down over here on premounts made it not worth dealing with doing up my own tires. you may have to contact TRC/Trinity direct and check on availability? or get ahold of GRP in Europe (Italy?) direct they make the 1/12 foams for TRC and Parma
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Old 10-23-2005, 10:35 PM   #15079
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There are so many different discussions going on in this 12th scale thread. Who is the administrator of these forums? He really needs to set up individual forums and sub forums for each class. Here is an example:



Electric
On Road
1/10th scale
1/12th scale
1/18th scale


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1/10th scale
1/18th scale
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1/10th scale
1/12th scale
1/18th scale
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1/10th scale
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When you have these really long threads like we do now, it's nearly impossible to search and find the keyword(s) in the long thread. Example: when search for something, it will always show a search result with the thread called "1/12th forum". Well, that's nice, but you don't know what page your search keyword was found on. So you load the thread and search again using "search within this thread". This shows you a small portion of the individual posts with that keyword, but you still can't read the full post nor do you know what page it's on.

I was really surprised to see 90% of the 12th scale talk all inside one single long thread! It's time to make some sub forums. Seriously, this is getting silly. I'd be glad to help volunteer to help move the current threads into the appropriate forums.

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Old 10-23-2005, 11:26 PM   #15080
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i like the one long continuing thread. there are quite a few other 1/12 related threads for specific cars (9+ for sure), pictures, what's hot, etc. many of them fade away or eventually die till someone wakes it up. with alot happening in one thread it's easy to keep up, ask Q's, findout, etc. one stop shopping
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Old 10-23-2005, 11:28 PM   #15081
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I was really surprised to see 90% of the 12th scale talk all inside one single long thread! It's time to make some sub forums. Seriously, this is getting silly. I'd be glad to help volunteer to help move the current threads into the appropriate forums.
Seems to me it's 100% 1/12th. I've never seen anyone post 1/8th, 1/10th, or 1/18th comments on this forum, other than the odd reference. There are already seperate forums for those scales.

Why fragment the thread? Do you really want a "1/12th servo thread" and a "1/12th tire thread"? If you race 1/12th scale you should read this thread every day. No need for searches.
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Old 10-23-2005, 11:48 PM   #15082
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click on the links for some short video clips from our recent 12th National @ Crewe here in the UK. Then either save or play.

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Thanks for the videos. They are always fun to watch!
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i like the one long continuing thread. there are quite a few other 1/12 related threads for specific cars (9+ for sure), pictures, what's hot, etc. many of them fade away or eventually die till someone wakes it up. with alot happening in one thread it's easy to keep up, ask Q's, findout, etc. one stop shopping
Agreed. It is one of the 5-6 RCTech threads I religiously follow.
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Seems to me it's 100% 1/12th. I've never seen anyone post 1/8th, 1/10th, or 1/18th comments on this forum, other than the odd reference. There are already seperate forums for those scales.

Why fragment the thread? Do you really want a "1/12th servo thread" and a "1/12th tire thread"? If you race 1/12th scale you should read this thread every day. No need for searches.
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Old 10-24-2005, 12:01 AM   #15085
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My dad's ok, it's me that's hurtin; I'm jones'n for 1/12th scale.
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Seems to me it's 100% 1/12th. I've never seen anyone post 1/8th, 1/10th, or 1/18th comments on this forum, other than the odd reference. There are already seperate forums for those scales.

Why fragment the thread? Do you really want a "1/12th servo thread" and a "1/12th tire thread"? If you race 1/12th scale you should read this thread every day. No need for searches.
I agree with Odpurple. No need for other threads. You can find anything about 1/12th in this one long thread. If you can't find it, you can always ask the experts again and they'll be happy to help out. And I do read this thread everyday too .
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A 15,000+ post single thread simply doesn't work. For example, if you want to see what servos everyone is running in their 12th scale, you can't find it all since the search function doesn't nail down individual fully readable posts... even if you "search within this thread".

This site is active enough to easily have very full and active sub forums.
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A 15,000+ post single thread simply doesn't work. For example, if you want to see what servos everyone is running in their 12th scale, you can't find it all since the search function doesn't nail down individual fully readable posts... even if you "search within this thread".

This site is active enough to easily have very full and active sub forums.
That's the thing...it's active! There are new posts every day. If you split it up there won't be. Screw search, I never use it. If you have a question, ask it.
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I run a spektrum and have noticed that my servo slows down at the end of the run. I want to try a Li-Po pack. Has anyone tried this? Where do I get them? How many do I need? and How do I set them up? Thanks
The Spektrum does not control the voltage to the servos and if your using LiPo it will pass the full voltage to them. I have heard that they catch fire if you do this!!

You need to fit a voltage regulator but i dont have details, i am trying to find out

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one question about the T-bar.
I know the tweak screws are for you to adjust the tweak. But you can tighten the screws 30% in, 50% in or 100% in and still can balance the car. so what's the difference?
anyone? or no one undersstand what i mean?
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