Originally Posted by badKarma
so why are all the experianced racers that run 17.5 not running 13.5? I dont understand? if your not a beginner, then step up to the next level...
look can someone just answer this...if you have been in the hobby for years and have a great deal of set up knowledge and driving skill, THEN WHY STAY IN 17.5? why not tackle the challege of 13.5??
For the same reason I like to do it. Value at the track. I want to run 2 cars. Not 2 completely different cars with different parts and tires etc. To do run 2 similar cars, I only have that choice, 13.5 and 17.5 (if that's what's offered) Saves me time and money and I can share setup information between the cars. Better bang for the racing buck. Why would I want to run touring 13.5 and 1/12th 13.5 when I could run two 1/12th classes? Or whatever. Costs twice as much in spares and doubles your aggravation level. I spend most of my time in the pits wondering why my car handles like butt. I don't need to 2 completely different cars to complicate the matter any further.
Originally Posted by or8ital
I know if I saw today's 17.5 run and was told that was the slowest TC class I could be in I might think twice about if I wanted to join the hobby.
Spend a little time behind the counter of our shop or any shop. You know what sells? The RTR box with the biggest MPH potential printed on it. It's exactly the opposite of what you're feeling, relative to joining the hobby. This one says 30, that one says 65, look similar enough to Joe average and the prices are close... you can see where that's probably going to lead. especially if it's two buddies gonna beat 'em up and down the street. They don't want to join the hobby at 15mph.
Originally Posted by Joel Lagace
Maybe we should stop tying to convince ourselves and the non rc community(the ones we want to join our fun) that rc racing is affordable?(racing is not affordable).
Bottom line is it cost money to race. There should be levels of speed to separate classes not income level or sponsorship level.
People say it's about money, it never is. It's about fun. If it was only about money, there would be no legitimate way to explain the 400-500 entries at your local motocross events with new bikes in the $6500 range. I paid more for my last MX helmet than a Revo 3.3, and that's pretty common... Did you know you can get a fishing reel in the $1000 range? now THAT is ridiculous... ...lol... People, as a rule, never quit doing something that is fun. People do
quit things that are no longer fun and blame everything else.
I've seen guys gripe about the expense, show up at the track to hang out (2 weeks later) with a new $6500 dirt bike in the back. You've all seen something like it. Think about the $1000 fishing reel, or spend $4000 on a paintball machine gun?
It ain't about the money, it's about the fun. Or no hobby product on earth would ever sell if it was more than $20 bucks.
Originally Posted by Davidka
This hobby has been dying a slow and painful death when I started in the mid-80s, it'll still be dying the same slow, painful death when we've all moved on to something else. We always talk about growing the hobby but it's always been about the same size. Those of us that talk about the glory days are just remembering back to a time when we were surprised about the size of a given race.
Personally, here's what I think is going on. In "the day", we didn't have anywhere to run. So we ran in parking lot's, malls, car shows, anywhere we could beg borrow or steal a place to setup a track and hand count laps. That usually put us right in front of the crowds and people with free time. New people saw us, the kind of people that just "happen" to see it, not go looking for it. Gradually, over time, we thought it would be AWESOME to have our own tracks, most of which are indoors and generally not in high traffic locations. Guess what, we are basically an underground activity now. because it's what we wanted (our own race facilities) and most are hard to find. In an era where everything is easy to find. Somebody else is gonna have a better shot at a new guy.
And a quick thought on sponsored drivers that nobody brought up. Aren't 99% of kids under the age of 16 fully sponsored drivers? You get ALL your lodging paid, all your parts, travel, entry fees paid, etc. No need to post that your 14 and buying your own stuff, you're not the majority, but good for you if you are.
My son has never bought a part in his life, he's not sponsored by anybody more than the next kids dad is paying for his kids to enjoy some family time. I'm not getting anything for free, am I sponsored? How exactly are we going to determine that?
It's all lip service. Post up some rules, not some "ideas".
Racing flourishes where it's fun, dies where it is not. It's as simple as that.
People with a bit of spare income are looking for some fun. They'll find it. If not, they'll move on. Why do something that's not fun, just because somebody else decided you had a fair shot? It's not about fair or money, it's about fun.
Yes there are exceptions to every rule. but only if you want to argue for the sake of hearing yourself. ...lol... Nobody quits doing something that's fun and puts a smile on their face or the faces of people in their families. That's it folks. It's that simple. No amount of rules changes, and griping about what somebody else has that you might not, will change it.
People gripe they want good equipment. That is until equipment comes out that they feel is better than the equipment they had... then it's "unfair" (even though it was perfectly fair when they
had the "better" equipment). We're "racing" aren't we? Cars aren't a "forever" kind of thing. neither are speedo's or radios. Nobody bitches about the guy with the most expensive radio racing a guy that doesn't even have dual rate. I don't see anybody from the VCR council of America worried about me having a DVD player. It's technology, it marches on, with or without us and our bag phones and laser disc players. My new cell phone has more technology in it than the first space shuttle did.... and don't call my cell either... I'm still trying to figure out how to answer this new one... CRIPES....
get outta the cellar and get back to the malls and auto shows. Hiding in old warehouses ain't getting us visibility or showing us to anybody new.
<---goes and digs a big flame resistant hole and jumps in.