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Old 11-08-2005, 09:42 AM   #11671
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This is pretty amazing stuff. A European company developing a ground up foam tire car. If it goes as well as Seaballs Mi2-youve got a winner on your hands. I am glad to see your addressing the shocks and diffs on the Schuie across the board too.
A lot of seaball's ideas and input were taken into account for this car
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All the Schuie Rug Rats are going to enjoy this car.
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Old 11-08-2005, 09:47 AM   #11673
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Forget Seaball's car ...if its as good as PW's car at the IIC then Schumacher has a real winner on its hands.
Thanks Kevin! My car was much better than me at the IIC race All I could think about was if only Pauly was wheelin my ride around since he was "sedanless" for that event
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Old 11-08-2005, 10:14 AM   #11674
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Forget Seaball's car
until it pulls up on you in your qualifier. eat it kane.

the silence has been broken. this thread is in for a world of hurt now.
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Old 11-08-2005, 10:25 AM   #11675
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I CAN'T WAIT TO GET MINE FREAKIN' RDX'S BETTER WATCH OUT.
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I have a few questions..Why a 2.5 chassis ? This seems a bit on the thin side considering that most of the manufactures spec. "carpet " chassis at 3mm or above.Why no rear sway bar ?
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It all depends on the make up of the carbon. You can't look purely at thickness. The HB cyclone has i think 2.5 as std, but it is softer than the 2.0mm chassis that i have on my cars. Same with Tamiya, their carbon is soft. The make up of our carbon natually makes it stiff.
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This might be a really silly question but I run inside with rubber not foams, which EC kit would you suggest buying and the reasons for this? I'm keeping my standard Mi2 for ourside on the few occasions I get to run outdoors

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Old 11-08-2005, 12:19 PM   #11679
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It all depends on the make up of the carbon. You can't look purely at thickness. The HB cyclone has i think 2.5 as std, but it is softer than the 2.0mm chassis that i have on my cars. Same with Tamiya, their carbon is soft. The make up of our carbon natually makes it stiff.
The reason why I ask is I do have the 2.5mm chassis and it does have some flex in it,more than what the BMI or the 2.9 RDX chassis does.I'm in the market for a new carpet car and the Only reason why I'm even looking at the EC is i do know some team drivers that would not steer me wrong,I just want to see how the car stacks up to the RDX..
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I have a few questions..Why a 2.5 chassis ? This seems a bit on the thin side considering that most of the manufactures spec. "carpet " chassis at 3mm or above.Why no rear sway bar ?
Why 2.5?

Because in our testing we found that that extra .5mm of graphite did little to nothing for stiffness. The thicker graphite add weight,
raises the center of gravity of the car more and alters shock mounting, roll center and camber link locations.

Cars like the RDX and the 415MXS have low top decks. The lower the top deck the less braced the car becomes and thus these cars need thicker graphite to keep them stiff.

The Mi2's (and Xray's for example) can run thinner lighter graphite and still be rock solid.

Why no rear sway bar?

Because no one uses them on foam tires. Just look at all the cars in the A-Main at the IIC. We have not come across a race condition where is was ever good to run a rear sway bar on foam tires. You can do other more effective setup changes to get what you want before using a rear bar.
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Old 11-08-2005, 12:24 PM   #11681
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until it pulls up on you in your qualifier. eat it kane.

the silence has been broken. this thread is in for a world of hurt now.
For me and you to be in the same qualifier you need to cross the great mistake aka Indy and come over this way and race. Come on over on the 4th and lets see what that car is all about at some place other then your basement. We will save all that hurt for a later point in time.
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It all depends on the make up of the carbon. You can't look purely at thickness. The HB cyclone has i think 2.5 as std, but it is softer than the 2.0mm chassis that i have on my cars. Same with Tamiya, their carbon is soft. The make up of our carbon natually makes it stiff.
You are exactly right. For example we have checked an Xray FK04 3.9mm chassis against our 2.5mm graphite and they are VERY close in torsional and longitudinal flex.

Schumacher pays a lot for its graphite. We could get stuff that costs as much as half what we are paying now but the cars performance would suffer. Our carbon is the best in the industry.
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This might be a really silly question but I run inside with rubber not foams, which EC kit would you suggest buying and the reasons for this? I'm keeping my standard Mi2 for ourside on the few occasions I get to run outdoors

Look forward to hearing your views

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You would want to get the Standard Mi2EC not the Foam Spec. The bonus is that it is great on carpet AND asphalt on rubber tires.
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You are exactly right. For example we have checked an Xray FK04 3.9mm chassis against our 2.5mm graphite and they are VERY close in torsional and longitudinal flex.

Schumacher pays a lot for its graphite. We could get stuff that costs as much as half what we are paying now but the cars performance would suffer.
I had a BMI 3mm chassis for my 04FK and no way is the 2.5 teemu stiffer than that chassis,But if you guys say it's ok then i guess it is.
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You would want to get the Standard Mi2EC not the Foam Spec. The bonus is that it is great on carpet AND asphalt on rubber tires.
Thanks Adrian, My order will be put in as soon as it becomes available - Is there a firm date yet?
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