Schumacher Corner
10-10-2005, 01:02 AM
where an i find PW set up for the carpet with foams
10-10-2005, 04:17 AM
Tech Regular
10-10-2005, 07:41 AM
Tech Elite
Drove My Mi2 for the first time yesterday at my local track. It was good very predictable car. Just wanted to throw out a big thank you to Don V and Kohn Kerr for all their help.
10-10-2005, 08:06 AM
Originally Posted by howard hudson
Drove My Mi2 for the first time yesterday at my local track. It was good very predictable car. Just wanted to throw out a big thank you to Don V and Kohn Kerr for all their help.
No prob Howie. We're happy to help.I finally got a handle on the car for the main and after we had a sketchy start I paced Donny's lap times within a tenth or two for the last 4 minutes.
And Donny swept the Expert Mod and 19 turn classes.
10-10-2005, 08:10 AM
Tech Elite
Originally Posted by Jon Kerr
Kohn? No prob Howie. We're happy to help.
I finally got a handle on the car for the main and after we had a sketchy start I paced Donny's lap times within a tenth or two for the last 4 minutes.
And Donny swept the Expert Mod and 19 turn classes.
No prob Howie. We're happy to help.I finally got a handle on the car for the main and after we had a sketchy start I paced Donny's lap times within a tenth or two for the last 4 minutes.
And Donny swept the Expert Mod and 19 turn classes.
sorry John. (note to self. before typing wake up first )
10-10-2005, 08:17 AM
Originally Posted by Jon Kerr
No because under power your inside tire may still exceed what you've got it limited to on the radio. By doing it physically on the car, you eliminate that possibility.
10-10-2005, 08:30 AM
Anytime 
10-10-2005, 12:18 PM
PW- you mentioned you were coming to California for a hobby show. When and where? 
10-10-2005, 03:00 PM
Tech Apprentice
mi2
hi john kerr do u have PWs set up cause i cant find it on gearchart.com
thanxs
thanxs
10-10-2005, 03:01 PM
Originally Posted by Jon Kerr
PW- you mentioned you were coming to California for a hobby show. When and where?
We will be at the I Hobby Expo/Tradeshow at the LA Convention Center from the 20th-23rd.
Check the www.ihobbyexpo.com website for what days the pubilc is allowed in.
10-10-2005, 03:07 PM
Originally Posted by snap_u2000
hi john kerr do u have PWs set up cause i cant find it on gearchart.com
thanxs
thanxs
10-10-2005, 11:02 PM
Tech Apprentice
mi2
thanks for that john
10-11-2005, 12:39 AM
Guys,
I need some input with setups because I have reached my limit with my Mi2. I have been running this car for 6 months and can't get close to a decent setup yet
I have tried just about every setup I could find on the net, and have added most of the "required" hopups to get this car working, but it isn't happening.
To summarise, I race on fairly low-grip asphalt and concrete tracks with rubber tyres, usually take-off 27's or sorex 36's with various inserts. The trouble is my car suffers from huge understeer everywhere, turn-in, mid corner, exiting corners, low speed, high speed
Nothing I change seems to fix it - when I make a gain in one part of the turn, I compromise another area so much that overall, my car is no quicker round the track
I have yet to find an adjustment that helps in ALL areas of steering, and frankly I'm pretty pi$$ed off with this car.
The car has the following mods:
Alloy rear suspension blocks
New Schuie springs
Tamiya shocks on low towers
Delrin pullets and gear adaptor
The weird thing is - at the two tracks I race on - when the track is in a really dusty state (before being blown off) - my car feels very good, with a good balance of grip and steering. But once the track is clean, and the grip comes up, then it loses all steering!
So, if you had to run an "ultimate steering" setup - one that would provide oversteer everywhere, what would it be? - because that's what I need to get this car to work
I need some input with setups because I have reached my limit with my Mi2. I have been running this car for 6 months and can't get close to a decent setup yet
I have tried just about every setup I could find on the net, and have added most of the "required" hopups to get this car working, but it isn't happening.
To summarise, I race on fairly low-grip asphalt and concrete tracks with rubber tyres, usually take-off 27's or sorex 36's with various inserts. The trouble is my car suffers from huge understeer everywhere, turn-in, mid corner, exiting corners, low speed, high speed
Nothing I change seems to fix it - when I make a gain in one part of the turn, I compromise another area so much that overall, my car is no quicker round the track
I have yet to find an adjustment that helps in ALL areas of steering, and frankly I'm pretty pi$$ed off with this car.
The car has the following mods:
Alloy rear suspension blocks
New Schuie springs
Tamiya shocks on low towers
Delrin pullets and gear adaptor
The weird thing is - at the two tracks I race on - when the track is in a really dusty state (before being blown off) - my car feels very good, with a good balance of grip and steering. But once the track is clean, and the grip comes up, then it loses all steering!
So, if you had to run an "ultimate steering" setup - one that would provide oversteer everywhere, what would it be? - because that's what I need to get this car to work
10-11-2005, 12:46 AM
have you raised the real R/C blocks? as they are .5mm lower than the standard parts, hence you have a lower rear Roll Centre then front if they are both at standard heights.
I would try:
30 weight front oil / 35 weight rear
Schuey white springs f+R as a starting point.
Raise the rear blocks 1mm (1.5mm in your case as you have plastic front blocks) just a recommended starting point.
There is something not right here, Ive never suffered uncurable understeer with the Mi2, but I have had oversteer / unstability in the conditions you describe.
You are wanting to keep the weight over the front tires, I recommend reducing front droop relative to the rear. for Instance I usually run around 2mm front droop with 3 rear droop.
Run the car with .5mm ride height higher in the rear of the car also.
Do you have the alloy rear hubs or standard?..the alloy ones are good at freeing the rear of the car up to cure understeer and they are tunable.
post your entire setup, we can probably diagnose from there.
I would try:
30 weight front oil / 35 weight rear
Schuey white springs f+R as a starting point.
Raise the rear blocks 1mm (1.5mm in your case as you have plastic front blocks) just a recommended starting point.
There is something not right here, Ive never suffered uncurable understeer with the Mi2, but I have had oversteer / unstability in the conditions you describe.
You are wanting to keep the weight over the front tires, I recommend reducing front droop relative to the rear. for Instance I usually run around 2mm front droop with 3 rear droop.
Run the car with .5mm ride height higher in the rear of the car also.
Do you have the alloy rear hubs or standard?..the alloy ones are good at freeing the rear of the car up to cure understeer and they are tunable.
post your entire setup, we can probably diagnose from there.
10-11-2005, 02:21 AM
I don't have a normal setup as the car is never any good!
A few notes from the tips you mentioned:
I run the front ride height between 0.5-1mm lower than the rear as you've suggested.
I run less droop in the front than rear (2.5-3mm front - 3-4mm rear)
Usually run Schuie Green or Blue front springs with Blue or White rears.
Usually run 35w oil front - 40w rear.
I have been through every adjustment on the car but as I said - whenever I gain in one area - I lose in another (to equal level) so the car's lap times don't improve.
Some adjustments I have tried:
Raising the rear roll centre = lost turn-in
2 degree castor blocks = lost exit steering
white front springs = lost turn in
anti squat = lost exit steering
anti dive = lost exit steering
raised front roll centre = lost exit steering
lowered front roll centre = lost turn-in
cells forward = lost turn-in
cells rearward = lost exit steering
This is why I'm ready to give up.
I don't have the alloy rear hubs but I don't want to buy them - I've already spent too much on this car and I don't think it would give me the steering gain I'm after - surely by moving the camber link on the standard hubs you could adjust the roll centre to a similar degree?
A few notes from the tips you mentioned:
I run the front ride height between 0.5-1mm lower than the rear as you've suggested.
I run less droop in the front than rear (2.5-3mm front - 3-4mm rear)
Usually run Schuie Green or Blue front springs with Blue or White rears.
Usually run 35w oil front - 40w rear.
I have been through every adjustment on the car but as I said - whenever I gain in one area - I lose in another (to equal level) so the car's lap times don't improve.
Some adjustments I have tried:
Raising the rear roll centre = lost turn-in
2 degree castor blocks = lost exit steering
white front springs = lost turn in
anti squat = lost exit steering
anti dive = lost exit steering
raised front roll centre = lost exit steering
lowered front roll centre = lost turn-in
cells forward = lost turn-in
cells rearward = lost exit steering
This is why I'm ready to give up.
I don't have the alloy rear hubs but I don't want to buy them - I've already spent too much on this car and I don't think it would give me the steering gain I'm after - surely by moving the camber link on the standard hubs you could adjust the roll centre to a similar degree?