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Old 11-28-2004, 05:43 PM   #8221
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Has anyone else experiencing this?

My Mi2 has developed some front end slop which I assume is normal after a few runs. However, what troubles me is that the steering post on left side (looking from the rear) at the top brace shows some play when I look down at it.

Some suggesting using some CA to seal those holes to prevent them from getting worse. At the moment, I am using teflon tape.

Any suggestions for removing the play?

I hope in a future mod the team thinks of using bushings on the top brace similar to the Xray
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Old 11-28-2004, 06:03 PM   #8222
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a Q tip dipped in C.A glue, then dab in in teh hole of the topdeck to seal the Carbon, and provide a nice little durable coating, it also takes out the slop...

let it dry and do a test fit over the posts, you dont want it tight, as it could intoduce tweak, just a slightest amount of movement.

otherwise the teflon tape is a good alternative.

a pressed fit bushing is a good idea.
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Old 11-28-2004, 07:14 PM   #8223
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The indoor season has started and i was very happy to race indoor. But i had a problem with the setup of the Mi2.

I am running on cs27 on a small carpet track with many corners.
The car has a lot of steer a little bit to much i think. The rear is quite stabil.
But the real problem is that the cars rolls over all the time in the corners.
If i turn in a litlle bit to quick the car rolls over.

Did you guys ever had this problem running with rubber on carpet? If you have any tips for me that would be great.


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try going softer on your set up. That seemed to be the fix for me on the rug. Softer oil and spring along with gluing the sidewalls like they were foam tire's.
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Old 11-28-2004, 09:29 PM   #8224
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Well, bit the bullet and bought a Mission... was told it was PW's old car...looks like a nice ride... This will be the first time I've raced in quite awhile... if I can still 'sort of' drive, I'll look for a Mi2...
275 pages is a lot to look through... can anyone tell me off the top the differences between the Mission Pro and the Mi2?
I'll be running carpet mostly... if it looks like I'll run asphalt too, I'll probably setup a separate car....

Thanks guys!

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Old 11-28-2004, 09:31 PM   #8225
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I got the setup up early. It's posted on www.mo-net.ws and www.gearchart.com .

STLNLST, I would but you don't have Scumacher shocks on your car so it won't be the same.
so I guess you can't set up your other car since it has Tamiya shocks on it.....LOL
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Old 11-29-2004, 05:46 AM   #8226
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Leadfoot, I had a similar problem. How I solved it was to put a piece of plastic from a parts bag over the head of both posts, then installed the upper deck onto it. Very firm, and no slop.

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Old 11-29-2004, 06:23 AM   #8227
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Raul, It sounded like the BMI chassis and the Mi2 was a good combo for ya. What car are you going to now ?
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Old 11-29-2004, 07:42 AM   #8228
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this my setup that i was running:

Front:
Ride height: 5.5mm
Droop: 8mm
Camber: -1.5deg
Toe-out: -0.5deg
Caster: 2deg
Anti-dive: no
raised roll center 1.5mm
Ackermann position: Middle holes on the steeringarms
Ackermann link: 35 mm from middle to middle and link in stock position
Anti-roll bar: yes std
Camberlink locations: shocktower position is in-up
Damperpositions: outer hole on suspension arm and middle hole on the shocktower
Dampers: std
Springs: red
Oil: Schumacher 50 wt
Pistons: 3 holes

Rear:
Ride height: 5.5 mm
Droop: 7mm
Camber: -2deg
Toe-in: 2deg inboard (alloy mounts), 1 deg outboard (alloy hubs), total 3deg
Antisquat: no
raised roll center 2mm
Anti-roll bar: No
Camberlink locations: inner hole on alloy hub (no spacers), tower position is middle-up
Damperpositions: 2nd outer hole on suspension arm, 2nd inner hole on shocktower
Dampers: std
Springs: blue
Oil: Schumacher 45 wt
Pistons: 3 holes

I am running standaard shocks and chassis and on cs27.

thanks for helping me out.


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Old 11-29-2004, 09:27 AM   #8229
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Argen, You are already running my "hot tip" (and the one thing that sorted my car!) for stopping grip roll on carpet!!!

However, a couple of suggestions that might help. You are creating an imbalence with the roll bars, the front one is too stiff, and nothing on the back probably isn't good. I ran 1.5mm all round.

Rear toe-in, not sure there should be any need to have extra at the hub. We usually just run the alloy block.

Yo don't say what position you are running the cells, if not max in then try that as the weight doesn't move about as much.

A touch less camber (0.5 deg) all round might help.
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Old 11-29-2004, 09:33 AM   #8230
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thanks for your tips.

The battery is all back and inside.

But what was your hot tip that i am already using?
so i know that i don't have to take that away.

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2 deg caster. When i started out at the Reedy i had big traction roll. Changing from 4 to 2 made a massive difference. i didn't believe that it would, but was told to try it and it worked. It might even be worth trying less - maybe 0 block with a little bit of kickup on the arm mounts??
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Old 11-29-2004, 09:42 AM   #8232
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I thought there were only 2/4/6 deg castor blocks or am i wrong?

But if someone else knows something that can solve my problem idea's are welcome.

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Has anyone else experiencing this?

My Mi2 has developed some front end slop which I assume is normal after a few runs. However, what troubles me is that the steering post on left side (looking from the rear) at the top brace shows some play when I look down at it.

Some suggesting using some CA to seal those holes to prevent them from getting worse. At the moment, I am using teflon tape.

Any suggestions for removing the play?

I hope in a future mod the team thinks of using bushings on the top brace similar to the Xray

Had the same problem and found out that the moulded plastic part that holds the m3 nut inside, was not holding the nut in tightly. Fixed the nut in with CA and no slop at all, this was after trying what other people have mentioned.

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Old 11-29-2004, 03:00 PM   #8234
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There is a zero block. Technically it is for the Menace truck, but they are exactly the same and would fit.
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I guess this is like the NFL version of free agency, welcome to the 415 championship team Raul. This has been comfirmed.
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