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Old 11-05-2001, 09:16 AM   #511
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Its good to see that they have come up with a good solution to no longer having the transponder mount on the front of the car. Thats a good place to have it mounted. Will a transponder plate like the one shown in the pic be included in the kits or is it a custom piece?

I hope it will be included.
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Old 11-05-2001, 09:23 AM   #512
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I like that the front mounting points of the front hinge pins are not part of the front bumper anymore.
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The springs that Marcus is using on his car looks to be springs made by Picco,the green ones are very stiff and it looks like the rear yellow springs that he is using are the shumacher springs
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Yeah they look like Pico springs. 40lb i believe. That is he same spring set-up that Teemu ran at the LRP earlier in the year.
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Was wandering, if the Mission will be here end of this week? start of next? I so need mine!! lol
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Is the green picco spring stiffer than the yellow schumie spring??
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Sandor-The Picco id WAY stiffer.

Picco Green: 40lb
Schu Silver: 35lb
Schu Yellow: 25lb
Schu Red: 20lb
Schu Blue: 15lb
Schu Grey 10lb
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Then why don't use turnbuckels at the front??
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I run a sst 99 and i run with stiff springs and the car flexes so much. I am buying the mission ass soon as the shop gets it, and i hope this car will be stiffer, that way i can go faster through tight turns. They said that they changed the rear toe in and front toe out options. What did they make differently, because i can't tell from the pics. Does anybody run their sst with a one way diff? Can the one way help me get faster on the track?
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Man you guys are dying to get those cars!!! Are they behind schedule or are you guys just impatient?

In any case I hope you guys get them soon.
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Pilot-R/C Sedans have to flex to go fast. Stiff cars are much slower than more flexible cars.

A good example of the is the MR-4Pro. It was too stiff and didnt handle was well as the cheap base kit. The team drivers cut rungs out of the ladder top plate and the car got faster. The top plates in the newest cars come like this.

Another example. Corally and the Xray may be fast in the hands of a pro on certain tracks but in the hands of a regular driver on most tracks they perform poorly because they are too stiff. Note that both cars now have optional top plates that have a link to increase front chassis flex (just like on the Axis 2).

The Mission chassis is tuned to have the amount of flex necessary to generate optimum traction.

All-Did anyone notice that a bone stock A2 turned tha fastest lap in the R/C Car Action Sedan Shootout...nice!
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Pilot - I always use one-ways when possible (not on low grip surfaces). They make you go faster But you have to learn to drive with them Make sure your car is balanced right, that way you will be able to brake on straights.

Just try them and don't throw them away when you are not faster at your first lap. Good luck with it.

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As a rule of thumb:
A flexy chassis creates more grip on corners.
A stiffer chassis carries speed better through corners.

On high byte, like on carpet I always run the stiff chassis to be fast, but on asfalt the Axis2 top-deck might be faster.
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AdrianM: I'd like to respectfuly disagree with you there. Cars don't have to have flex to be fast. I consider myself an average racer, and I assure you that no one who has seen me run my Corally C4.1 would consider it's handling poor.

I don't use the split upper deck you mentioned(all though most people do), I do all the traction tuning on the car with the suspension, like I consider it was meant to be done. In fact I am doing better with this stiff car than I ever did with my MR4tcpro or Corally C4 AGLE which both had a good amount of flex in them. I also have a friend of mine on this board, CIVIC91, who runs a very stiff chassis car. The Kawada SV-10. His car is also one of the best at the track. I have run the car on all kinds of tracks. (large and slick)(Large and sticky)(small and slick)(small and sticky) and everything in between. All with the same results, one of the best handling cars on the track.

And I could take my '99pro out on those very same tracks and do well with it. So since people say that car has flex, yet I can run just as well with my C4.1, that would seem to create a new theory. One that says tune with the suspension, no matter what flex characteristics you chassis has.

I mean if the chassis is what we tune for traction with, what are the suspension and tires for

Now will this work for everyone? Probably not. But, you statement seemed to be generalizing about the subject.


BESIDES!!!! What really bugs me about this chassis flex subject is this; Have you noticed that no one really seems sure what they want???

I'm mean think about it. The people with the flexy car are searching for stiffness, while people with stiff cars seem to be searching for flex.

Examples: HPI PRO3- probably the most flexable race purpose car out there. Yet people stick Penguin chassis and HotBodies upper decks on there along with HPI's graphite chassis all in an effort to get it stiff.

......at the same time.......

Corally C4.1: probably one of the stiffest race cars on the market. Yet people are cutting their upper deck in half and replacing it with a turnbuckle in an effort to achieve more flex.


I think this subject is quickly approacing the level of "what do you do to maintain you 3000cells", you know what I mean. Everyone is searching a correct answer when I really don't thing there is one. It probably just comes down to whatever works for that particular driver.

But, I definitely don't think there are any general across the board answers on this issue.

(See thats what I'm saying outload to be diplomatic. But in my head I'm thinking "tune with the suspension NOT the chassis!" )

Thanks for listening.....
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