R/C Tech Forums

Go Back   R/C Tech Forums > General Forums > Electric On-Road

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 10-24-2008, 01:13 PM   #26926
Tech Champion
 
Kevin K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: In a land of mini-mighty mental giants
Posts: 8,764
Trader Rating: 32 (100%+)
Send a message via AIM to Kevin K Send a message via Yahoo to Kevin K
Default

Skiddins....Removing spacers from the camber link inner loactions will generally cut traction at that end of the car from the middle out of the corner. So if your car has too much rear side bite then taking some spacers out from under the inner camber link will help to free the car up in the middle of the corner.

I personally wouldnt mess with the front wheel base as much as I would the rear.

As far as the body it kind of looks like the Protoform Mazda 6 but with the HD wing that might be locking the rear end down too much. With the Standard Mazda 6 if you dont cut the wing down to the IFMAR spec the car has too much rear traction so you might be doing the same thing with the HD wing on your Moorespeed body? Do you have another wing you can use that has less down force and try that one once and see how it effects your car.
__________________
2013 USVTA World Champion of the World
MOTIV RC presents the Midwest All-Star Carpet Series....14th year running 2016/17!!!
USVTA National Championship....check it out!!!
Im only responsible for what I say NOT what you understand.
Kevin K is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2008, 01:30 PM   #26927
Tech Addict
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Portugal
Posts: 541
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grease View Post
One thing that can help with balancing your car is to switch your front and rear differentials and run your front belt on the right side and rear on the left. This way you can stick you ESC and reciever in further. It won't work with nimh though. I use CORE 5000 lipos that I have sitting flush with the right side of the chassis with the stainless steel inserts from ppdbillet. my car is perfectly balanced left to right and weights exactly 50.0 oz.
Are there any pictures of that?
jorgesimes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2008, 01:51 PM   #26928
Tech Regular
 
steveonamission's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 341
Default

Glen you have a PM
__________________
www.fuller-paint.blogspot.com
steveonamission is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2008, 10:38 AM   #26929
Tech Adept
 
Grease's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Cuyahoga Falls OH
Posts: 117
Trader Rating: 8 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jorgesimes View Post
Are there any pictures of that?
Here are some pictures. The only thing I hade to do that some of you might not want to do is cut off the balance leads on the lipo and put a piece of battery tape over the leads. I can still check the cells with a voltmeter and after over 500 charges, both cells are withing 0.001v of each other.
Attached Thumbnails
Schumacher Corner-lipo-weights.jpg   Schumacher Corner-picture-001.jpg   Schumacher Corner-picture-009.jpg   Schumacher Corner-picture-010.jpg   Schumacher Corner-picture-068.jpg  

Grease is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2008, 01:08 PM   #26930
Tech Elite
 
Skiddins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Windsor, UK
Posts: 4,544
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin K View Post
Skiddins....Removing spacers from the camber link inner loactions will generally cut traction at that end of the car from the middle out of the corner. So if your car has too much rear side bite then taking some spacers out from under the inner camber link will help to free the car up in the middle of the corner.
Do you mean removing the vertical spacers on the camber links?

And soes your first coment refer to the horizontal spacers?

Thanks
Skiddins
__________________
Xray T4'16, T4'14 (Wet Car)
Xray X12 2016
Xray X1'16
wlrc.co.uk (West London Racing Centre)
RCDisco.co.uk
Skiddins is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2008, 01:56 PM   #26931
Tech Champion
 
Kevin K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: In a land of mini-mighty mental giants
Posts: 8,764
Trader Rating: 32 (100%+)
Send a message via AIM to Kevin K Send a message via Yahoo to Kevin K
Default

Yeah thats what I meant.....Vertical is under the ball stud on the inner camber mount and Horizontal is between the mount and the bulk head.

Think of it like this.....Vertical will change your Camber Gain....the more inclined(adding spacers) that angle gets the more traction you will have as the cars suspension compresses....so that will effect the car in the corner or as it starts to roll.

Horizontal....The longer you make it the slower that end of the car will react. Meaning if your car is breaking loose in a sweeping corner then making the link longer will help delay this....or if the car is too stuck and pushing/understeering around the corner making this link shorter will help free that end of the car up.
__________________
2013 USVTA World Champion of the World
MOTIV RC presents the Midwest All-Star Carpet Series....14th year running 2016/17!!!
USVTA National Championship....check it out!!!
Im only responsible for what I say NOT what you understand.
Kevin K is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2008, 04:06 PM   #26932
Tech Elite
 
Skiddins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Windsor, UK
Posts: 4,544
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin K View Post
Yeah thats what I meant.....Vertical is under the ball stud on the inner camber mount and Horizontal is between the mount and the bulk head.

Think of it like this.....Vertical will change your Camber Gain....the more inclined(adding spacers) that angle gets the more traction you will have as the cars suspension compresses....so that will effect the car in the corner or as it starts to roll.

Horizontal....The longer you make it the slower that end of the car will react. Meaning if your car is breaking loose in a sweeping corner then making the link longer will help delay this....or if the car is too stuck and pushing/understeering around the corner making this link shorter will help free that end of the car up.
So if I want to kill some front end grip through the faster stuff would making the front link shorter help. And/or would it be a good idea to change the vertical spacers and if so should the front links be higher than the rears or the other way around?

Sorry for all the questions, but these are aspects of the setup I rarely change. I understand what they do physically, but not how those physics effect the handling.

Skiddins
__________________
Xray T4'16, T4'14 (Wet Car)
Xray X12 2016
Xray X1'16
wlrc.co.uk (West London Racing Centre)
RCDisco.co.uk
Skiddins is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2008, 05:21 PM   #26933
Tech Champion
 
Kevin K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: In a land of mini-mighty mental giants
Posts: 8,764
Trader Rating: 32 (100%+)
Send a message via AIM to Kevin K Send a message via Yahoo to Kevin K
Default

The easiest change would be to take some spacers out of the front vertical mount. This will take some steering out in the middle of the corner. I normally run my front higher then the rear on carpet with a 1 way. I personally dont move the front link in or out horizontally as much as I do the rear link.

You could also add some to the rear vertical to have the same effect and lock the rear end of the car down more in the corner and take some steering away.
__________________
2013 USVTA World Champion of the World
MOTIV RC presents the Midwest All-Star Carpet Series....14th year running 2016/17!!!
USVTA National Championship....check it out!!!
Im only responsible for what I say NOT what you understand.
Kevin K is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2008, 01:06 AM   #26934
Tech Elite
 
andrewdoherty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: ★Wylie, TX★
Posts: 3,765
Trader Rating: 47 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grease View Post
Here are some pictures. The only thing I hade to do that some of you might not want to do is cut off the balance leads on the lipo and put a piece of battery tape over the leads. I can still check the cells with a voltmeter and after over 500 charges, both cells are withing 0.001v of each other.
I made the swap on mine tonight. Brilliant!
I have notched the plastic case on my Core 5000's a mm or two down to allow the balance lead to exit flush with the top of the battery. This allows me now to keep the balance leads and still not interfere with the belt or the top deck/bulkhead. I was surprised how much I could move the esc inward with the belts swapped.
__________________
"Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right." -Henry Ford
"[Driving] Genius is 1% inspiration, and 99% perspiration" -T.A. Edison
|◤Hobbywing◢|◤SpeedzoneUSA.com◢|◤Pro-One◢|
|◤ReflexRacing.net◢|◤Protoform◢|◤AVID R/C◢|
andrewdoherty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2008, 02:11 AM   #26935
Tech Master
 
mini-dub's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: seattle
Posts: 1,632
Trader Rating: 16 (100%+)
Default

Look out ladies, its time for me to dust off my Mi3 .
__________________
Weylin Rose - www.shiftedcinema.com

Riding Bikes | Skiing | Helis | Rotor Rage | Cyclone Blades | RC Trim | Dead Kat Raceway
mini-dub is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2008, 06:34 AM   #26936
Tech Regular
 
steveonamission's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 341
Default

Woop

Now get on a plane and get yourself to the worlds
__________________
www.fuller-paint.blogspot.com
steveonamission is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2008, 08:10 AM   #26937
Tech Champion
 
abailey21's Avatar
R/C Tech Elite Subscriber
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: SoCal
Posts: 5,155
Trader Rating: 35 (100%+)
Default

You better have a good compressor, rumor has it the dust is 3 inches thick

Quote:
Originally Posted by mini-dub View Post
Look out ladies, its time for me to dust off my Mi3 .
__________________
K.C.C.O.
abailey21 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2008, 08:29 AM   #26938
Tech Elite
 
seaball's Avatar
R/C Tech Charter Subscriber
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 4,303
Trader Rating: 9 (100%+)
Send a message via Yahoo to seaball
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewdoherty View Post
Brilliant!


watch out guys. grease is going to be the next schumacher factory guy. he's the best new wrench i've ever seen, and his focus on the track is just awesome. congrats on a great weekend at the halloween classic, and thank you for an awesome trans-am car to bide my time with.

mr. steve walter, nice to meet you, sir. thanks for stopping by.

i hope to see MANY more schumacher drivers for the roar nationals in march. start putting your support to good use! (that means you too, mini!)

- john yurkovicz -
__________________
*** The Gate II - Home of Mike Wise ***
seaball is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2008, 08:34 AM   #26939
Tech Champion
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Rockville, MD
Posts: 5,058
Trader Rating: 4 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by seaball View Post


watch out guys. grease is going to be the next schumacher factory guy. he's the best new wrench i've ever seen, and his focus on the track is just awesome. congrats on a great weekend at the halloween classic, and thank you for an awesome trans-am car to bide my time with.

mr. steve walter, nice to meet you, sir. thanks for stopping by.

i hope to see MANY more schumacher drivers for the roar nationals in march. start putting your support to good use! (that means you too, mini!)

- john yurkovicz -
It was good meeting you. Had a good time at The Classic. Wish I would have qualified better. But, I did win my main. Got the car better for the main at least.
I'm planning on being there for the National's also.
__________________
Steve Walter
Sweep Racing USA/ Speed Passion USA/ Karens Famous Cookies (Transporter)
SRW141 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2008, 09:06 AM   #26940
Tech Initiate
 
The Shrew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: England
Posts: 22
Default

How have you guys fitted the Euro top deck with the V towards the front ?

Any pics of what you have done
The Shrew is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Corner Dots anyone? RCGaryK Electric On-Road 19 07-04-2006 12:12 AM
On the Corner RC-HPI R/C Photography 0 08-02-2005 11:53 PM
Snowbirds Around the Corner scarecrow Florida Racing 20 01-27-2005 11:43 AM
1/12th Corner GT Racer Singapore R/C Racers 26 03-04-2004 07:59 AM
Shumacher Corner in Aus jamesbaxter_81 Australian Racing 6 01-08-2004 03:36 PM



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -7. It is currently 09:34 PM.


Powered By: vBulletin v3.9.2.1
Privacy Policy | Terms of Use | Advertise Content © 2001-2011 RCTech.net

SEO by vBSEO 3.5.0