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Old 07-13-2007, 07:04 AM   #20791
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Thats the plan! I'm hoping to run faster next week with a little improvement on my set up. After all the races I took Steve Marker's Mi3 for a 5 lap spin with his radio etc and ran faster in those five laps with his car than I did all day with mine. By the end of the 3rd lap I felt confident enough to push it 100%. So I'll see if I can get some of that confidence in my car for the Rumble. As for 1/12th . . .I dunno what to do, but I gotta do something if I want to catch Wes, Derek Tim, and McGoo. Maybe Ill run 6 cell!
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Old 07-13-2007, 07:14 AM   #20792
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Just kidding dude good luck see you in a couple of weeks.
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Old 07-13-2007, 08:10 AM   #20793
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Is this the new lipo schumacher is making?

http://www.rctech.net/forum/attachme...hmentid=232367

I am curious if the new lipo will accept a 2C charge rate.

Does the new lipo have a part # at Shumacher yet? If not how does one order?
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http://www.racing-cars.com/usa/produ...ecnumber=47387

Should be in stock from what Paul posted in the past but the online store has not been updated.
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Old 07-13-2007, 11:52 AM   #20794
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Default need more steering!! in mi2 ec

hey guys i was just wondering if you could help with my setup for my mi2ec as i require more steering. Im racing outdoor asphalt in the uk, doing mainly 19turn. My current setup is.
Front:
ride height: 5
anti roll bar: none
caster: 4
no kickup or anti dive
toe in :0
roll centre: riser +1
camber: -1
wheelbase: med/long
oil:35
spring: schu wihte
piston 3
droop: 4 on gauge
carpet towers used and second hole from outside
outside hole on wishbone
rear:
roll bar: silver
ride height: 5
toe in: std
roll centre: riser +1
wheelbase: med/long
oil; 35
spring: schu white
piston 3
droop:3
1mm shim under rear link
carpet towers used and in second hole from outside on tower and wishbone

tires rp30 preglue
mazda speed 6
Thats it guys hope you can help as im dying for steering!
i tryed puttin rubber o rings under the front topdeck screws to create more flex but i felt it made the car inconsistent
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Old 07-13-2007, 12:50 PM   #20795
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where is the position of your steering hub carrier?
try the inside hole if you don't already have it one that one.
You can raise your rear rollcenter by .5
Go down to 30 wt oil fr/rr
try 3 droop in the front and 4 in the rear
you can always try antidive
I would also try arm sweep
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Old 07-13-2007, 01:44 PM   #20796
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i have them in inside holes. How do you acheive arm sweep on the mi2? The only way i can see would give crazy amounts of sweep by turning the hinge pin mounts around
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You can do arm sweep on the EC with the extended pivot blocks. (Dont' have the part number off had.)

For more steering, you could lower your front roll center to just the blocks on the riser plates, or add some anti squat. Also, you're going to think I'm crazy, but put the silver sway bar back on the front. I always lost steering when I took the front bar off. I'd do that first then try lowering the front roll center, and then the anti squat.
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ok cheers guys thanks for the help how much anti squat would you recomend?
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Old 07-13-2007, 03:48 PM   #20799
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just out of curiosity, why doesn't anyone run 6* castor blocks on asphalt? for foam tires, that's usually the first place we start. castor will add steering unquestionably, and will do it in a manner that offers on-center smoothness. is that not desirable on asphalt?
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just out of curiosity, why doesn't anyone run 6* castor blocks on asphalt? for foam tires, that's usually the first place we start. castor will add steering unquestionably, and will do it in a manner that offers on-center smoothness. is that not desirable on asphalt?
At our indoor asphalt track I run 4* with a oneway and when I race outdoor asphalt with spool; I always seem to go with a 6*. The steering feels more consistant with 6* and a spool outdoors. I've tried the 6* with the oneway on the indoor asphalt and the car oversteer mid and exit.
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just out of curiosity, why doesn't anyone run 6* castor blocks on asphalt? for foam tires, that's usually the first place we start. castor will add steering unquestionably, and will do it in a manner that offers on-center smoothness. is that not desirable on asphalt?
The few times I tried it on the old car, it just felt strange. It made the car fell pushy on entry and then it would try to spin out mid corner. I was thinking about trying it on the Mi3 next time I'm at the track though.
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Has anyhone else noticed that when you set the rear toe in according to the manual (every 0.5mm washer is approx 0.6 deg) you actually end up with more than it says

I used the 1 deg rear hubs and removed the 0.5mm washer from the rear pivot block, this should have given me 2.4 deg of rear toe (with the rear 0.5mm washer in place the car should have 2 deg rear toe, remove that then use the hubs, 2 deg - 0.6 deg + 1 deg = 2.4, however, when I used my toe guages I actually have closer to 3.2 deg!

Is there something abvious I'm misreading or will I need to get the gauges out everytime?

I haven't yet used the guages to measure the standard settings.

***Does the kit setup provide 2.4 deg of rear toe?

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hey guys i was just wondering if you could help with my setup for my mi2ec as i require more steering. Im racing outdoor asphalt in the uk, doing mainly 19turn. My current setup is.
Front:
ride height: 5
anti roll bar: none
caster: 4
no kickup or anti dive
toe in :0
roll centre: riser +1
camber: -1
wheelbase: med/long
oil:35
spring: schu wihte
piston 3
droop: 4 on gauge
carpet towers used and second hole from outside
outside hole on wishbone
rear:
roll bar: silver
ride height: 5
toe in: std
roll centre: riser +1
wheelbase: med/long
oil; 35
spring: schu white
piston 3
droop:3
1mm shim under rear link
carpet towers used and in second hole from outside on tower and wishbone

tires rp30 preglue
mazda speed 6
Thats it guys hope you can help as im dying for steering!
i tryed puttin rubber o rings under the front topdeck screws to create more flex but i felt it made the car inconsistent
Is your droop measured on a 'stepped' guage, if so, try 4 front and 5 rear.

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Old 07-13-2007, 08:34 PM   #20804
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Has anyhone else noticed that when you set the rear toe in according to the manual (every 0.5mm washer is approx 0.6 deg) you actually end up with more than it says

I used the 1 deg rear hubs and removed the 0.5mm washer from the rear pivot block, this should have given me 2.4 deg of rear toe (with the rear 0.5mm washer in place the car should have 2 deg rear toe, remove that then use the hubs, 2 deg - 0.6 deg + 1 deg = 2.4, however, when I used my toe guages I actually have closer to 3.2 deg!

Is there something abvious I'm misreading or will I need to get the gauges out everytime?

I haven't yet used the guages to measure the standard settings.

***Does the kit setup provide 2.4 deg of rear toe?

Skiddins
When you removed the 0.5mm shim at the pivot block(0.5mm=0.6 degree),2.6 degree - 0.6 degree =2 degree.add up 1 degree toe block=3 degree.

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just out of curiosity, why doesn't anyone run 6* castor blocks on asphalt? for foam tires, that's usually the first place we start. castor will add steering unquestionably, and will do it in a manner that offers on-center smoothness. is that not desirable on asphalt?

on the old car I ran it and i loved it now that you brought it up i will have to try it on the new car anybody have expierience w/ it on the mi3 if so let us know
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