R/C Tech Forums

Go Back   R/C Tech Forums > General Forums > Electric On-Road

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 03-18-2011, 10:31 AM   #901
Gravity RC
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Wi
Posts: 1,147
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tron View Post
Hi Paul, do you have a FDR recommendation for a 17.5 TP z3r with the blue rotor? Zero timing class with a LRP SXX Stockspec v2. How about the stock red rotor? Timing setting on the can? It came at 20 degrees...

I will be running at west coast rc raceway.

Thank you in advance.

Brett
Hi Brett. i would start at a 4.2, it will be conservative. I would start at 20deg (also conservative). shoot for around 175 for temp. 190-200 deg is pushing it. i could see a 4.0 overall with 30 or more deg timing working really well on that track but i would ease in to it for sure.

The stock red magnet works well all around, for TC i could see using a stronger rotor. the strong rotors will have more bottom end so a lower fdr will be needed to get back the top end.

Thanks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDogRacing View Post
I'm pretty sure EA has run that setup. He might be better qualified to answer that one...

I don't think Paul runs much 17.5 blinky class...lol
I have tested a decent amount, but EAs input would be good also
Paul L is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2011, 10:56 AM   #902
Team EAM
 
EAMotorsports's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Murfreesboro, TN
Posts: 9,017
Trader Rating: 79 (100%+)
Send a message via AIM to EAMotorsports
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tron View Post
Hi Paul, do you have a FDR recommendation for a 17.5 TP z3r with the blue rotor? Zero timing class with a LRP SXX Stockspec v2. How about the stock red rotor? Timing setting on the can? It came at 20 degrees...

I will be running at west coast rc raceway.

Thank you in advance.

Brett
I ran with the stock rotor when I tested the TP motor. I ran anywhere from 10-45 degrees on the motor in the Blinky class. What I found best was about 30 degrees of timing and about 1 tooth less than you normally run with a duo based motor on your track. Generally I run around a 4.0 on a D3 at our track and was running around a 4.15 with the TP motor. Going up much past 30 on the timing usually resulted in a faster 1-2 laps but fell off much harder and got hot. It generates a lot more RPM but you'll loose torque.

EA
__________________
Contact Us
Team EAM, Our Facebook
Xray | RCAmerica | Hudy | Apex RC | RC Mission | Killer Concepts | AVID | Hobbywing.
EAMotorsports is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2011, 06:33 PM   #903
Tech Master
 
ByteStream's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: 5280 Raceway
Posts: 1,142
Trader Rating: 2 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by EAMotorsports View Post
I ran with the stock rotor when I tested the TP motor. I ran anywhere from 10-45 degrees on the motor in the Blinky class. What I found best was about 30 degrees of timing and about 1 tooth less than you normally run with a duo based motor on your track. Generally I run around a 4.0 on a D3 at our track and was running around a 4.15 with the TP motor. Going up much past 30 on the timing usually resulted in a faster 1-2 laps but fell off much harder and got hot. It generates a lot more RPM but you'll loose torque.

EA
What did you feel was the better motor in your opinion .. for say tight/technical vs. larger open tracks in TC?
ByteStream is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2011, 07:40 PM   #904
Tech Master
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,280
Default

-just subscribing, thinking about getting an Xray!
outlandr91 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2011, 10:00 PM   #905
Tech Addict
 
Mini-Mod's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Santa Rosa,CA
Posts: 578
Default

Hey Paul, what gear diff oil would you recommend for mod tc on carpet? Thanks.
__________________
E.Albano

Yokomo / Hobbywing / JConcepts / A Main Performance Hobbies / Solaris Racing Products / ProTek RC / Schelle / Boom RC / TNP (TopNotchPaints)
Mini-Mod is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2011, 11:03 PM   #906
Tech Elite
 
Fred Hubbard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Inglewood, CA
Posts: 2,711
Trader Rating: 6 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mini-Mod View Post
Hey Paul, what gear diff oil would you recommend for mod tc on carpet? Thanks.
Since I know Paulie is probably sleeping, I'm sure he will say 2K.
__________________
Goodwine Racing - RC America - XRAY - HUDY - Sanwa - Motiv - GravityRC - BN Racing
Fred Hubbard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2011, 11:11 PM   #907
Tech Fanatic
 
erchn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Union City, CA
Posts: 813
Trader Rating: 7 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred Hubbard View Post
Since I know Paulie is probably sleeping, I'm sure he will say 2K.
What is this "ask Fred Hubbard"? :-)
erchn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2011, 04:46 AM   #908
Team EAM
 
EAMotorsports's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Murfreesboro, TN
Posts: 9,017
Trader Rating: 79 (100%+)
Send a message via AIM to EAMotorsports
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ByteStream View Post
What did you feel was the better motor in your opinion .. for say tight/technical vs. larger open tracks in TC?

The TP motor was competitive and but I found the Duo 3 still faster over a 6 minute run. Granted I only spent one weekend with it versus a whole carpet season with the Duo 3 but theres only so much you can change. In the open speedo class the TP motors are fast. They won the snowbirds in TC Super stock and a lot of guys are finding they are fast in 12th scale too!

EA
__________________
Contact Us
Team EAM, Our Facebook
Xray | RCAmerica | Hudy | Apex RC | RC Mission | Killer Concepts | AVID | Hobbywing.
EAMotorsports is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2011, 12:30 PM   #909
Tech Apprentice
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 71
Trader Rating: 3 (100%+)
Default

Hi Paul, How do you determine which turn of motor to use, most of your carpet setup was 4.0 I think, do you care more about the infield than the straight speed...any suggestion?

thanks
ddd2k is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2011, 07:56 PM   #910
Tech Adept
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 205
Default

Hi Paul, what changes would you make to the t3 11 in generally if you was running on a VEry very high traction tarmac track?

Thanks

Ricky
prodriver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2011, 11:29 PM   #911
Tech Master
 
gonzo416's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,938
Trader Rating: 39 (98%+)
Default

Hi Paul,
Could you tell me what setup changes you would make on an xray tc that handles good on medium traction, so it can be good on a high traction carpet track.
The reason I'm asking is because in the xxx main book and others it gives scenarios for smooth or bumpy tracks, not low and high traction tracks.any input would be helpful. Thanks
gonzo416 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2011, 05:28 AM   #912
Tech Rookie
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 11
Default

Hi Paul I am new to this forum but we have spoken by email

Could you tell me if an overhaul is necessary to correct the tire wear is flat.

believe that balancing the wheels may improve lap times
asier is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2011, 08:11 AM   #913
Gravity RC
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Wi
Posts: 1,147
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by outlandr91 View Post
-just subscribing, thinking about getting an Xray!
Welcome!

If you have any questions let me know. I am pretty good at answering all questions, when i travel i dont get on here much but i always catch up when i get home.
Thanks


Quote:
Originally Posted by Mini-Mod View Post
Hey Paul, what gear diff oil would you recommend for mod tc on carpet? Thanks.
I normally like 2,000

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred Hubbard View Post
Since I know Paulie is probably sleeping, I'm sure he will say 2K.
LOL, You know me well Fred.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ddd2k View Post
Hi Paul, How do you determine which turn of motor to use, most of your carpet setup was 4.0 I think, do you care more about the infield than the straight speed...any suggestion?

thanks

Hi. the most important thing for me is the feel of the motor. I run a Thunderpower 4.0, it is always super fast and has good feel to me.
with a 4.0 you will have to be very smooth with the trigger and hardly ever go full throttle. but the answer to your question is definately infield.

Thanks



Quote:
Originally Posted by prodriver View Post
Hi Paul, what changes would you make to the t3 11 in generally if you was running on a VEry very high traction tarmac track?

Thanks

Ricky
Hi Ricky. Thats a really hard question. I always start with a set up at a race and tune it from their. On high grip asphalt the cars have the tendency to push and subsiquently over heat the front tires and make the push even worse. so basicly i would expect to try and do things to gain steering and then drive very smooth. so maybe something like narrower front hexs, more front camber, shorter rear wheelbase are some things that would help the cars turn under high bite asphalt.

No problem!

Quote:
Originally Posted by gonzo416 View Post
Hi Paul,
Could you tell me what setup changes you would make on an xray tc that handles good on medium traction, so it can be good on a high traction carpet track.
The reason I'm asking is because in the xxx main book and others it gives scenarios for smooth or bumpy tracks, not low and high traction tracks.any input would be helpful. Thanks
On carpet the cars also seem to push more when bite gets high, the main change that i do when bite comes up is simply camber. low to med bite i will run something like 2.5deg rear and 1.5 front, for high bite i always seem to end up running more like 2.5 all around or sometimes even more front camber than rear. other than that i will lay the rear shocks all the way down to get the car to roll more over the rear and free the car up.

Thanks!

Quote:
Originally Posted by asier View Post
Hi Paul I am new to this forum but we have spoken by email

Could you tell me if an overhaul is necessary to correct the tire wear is flat.

believe that balancing the wheels may improve lap times
Hi, thanks for reading.
I rarely tune the camber and camber gain for tire wear. some tires wear different than others, but it seems like a good set up normally works well with all tires.

I dont normally ballance my tires, if a tire is way off i would consitter doing it for sure. when i ballance a tire that is close in the first place then run it, many times it will be just as far off as it was in the first place from the insert shifting and things. so if its pretty close i leave them alone, but its not a bad thing to check them.
Paul L is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2011, 08:20 AM   #914
Tech Addict
 
Afazli79's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 652
Send a message via MSN to Afazli79
Default Gear Diff Oil

Hi Paul,

What are the different between shock oil 2000 and gear oil 2000? Are they the same? Pls advise.

Thx..
__________________
Team MaxPower Malaysia...
Web : www.maxpowerbattery.net / www.bizonline2u.com
MaxPower / HobbyWing / Team Powers / Hudy / Xray / Robitronic / Tamiya / Tekin / Orca / LiteModz / Huge RC / MuchMore / LRP / Exotek / Smokem / SpecR / Atomic / SpeedMind / Sorex / Fijon / Paragon / Team Associated / Serpent / DS Racing
Afazli79 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2011, 08:41 AM   #915
Gravity RC
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Wi
Posts: 1,147
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Afazli79 View Post
Hi Paul,

What are the different between shock oil 2000 and gear oil 2000? Are they the same? Pls advise.

Thx..
It should be the same, any 2,000 should be rated in cst. i use Xray 2,000.

Thanks
Paul L is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Around The Table With Paul Lemieux(RC-America/Thunderpower) Paul L Electric On-Road 1384 12-18-2009 08:06 AM



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -7. It is currently 11:48 PM.


Powered By: vBulletin v3.9.2.1
Privacy Policy | Terms of Use | Advertise Content © 2001-2011 RCTech.net