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Old 03-05-2010, 05:24 AM   #721
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Just a thought, 50 timing coming in at 12,000 18,000 rpm, might be too high rpm coming in. Have you tried a lower rpm setting for timing a few of us running 13.5- 10.5 ballistic Novak in (Touring Car) timing starting at 4,000 5,800 rpm’s, found this be a sweet spot, also one of us found Speedo switch was weak, (cutting in and out with vibration of motor) change it with a stronger one and not had a problem since.
Just some thing to try.
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Hi Max, 13.5 came in about 160f with 50 Timing, 10.5 was fast but had some hard knocks and broke the switch on Speedo, the only weak spot on this Speedo. Change it for a Nosram one this morning. Sav’s new SXX Speedo was clogging; don’t think he will buy another one. A few other people were having problems with them. SXX is fast but the throttle looks like a on and off switch. MMP is a lot smoother and if you get the rpm range right; I think will be just as fast. Darren ran 13.5 SP motor and made B finale, he can’t believe how fast this Speedo is. Novak motor ss do seem faster, but SP motor looks even faster?.
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Good to hear that you sorted the switch Ben. What did you change on the esc when you put in the 10.5, or did you leave on the same settings you used on the 13.5? Also, did you get a chance to come up against the SXX and compare?

I'm amazed that the SXX looks so lumpy. When I saw it I thought the same as you, especially on the middle of sweepers! - Perhaps the 'feel' was set too high on it.
By the way, I had no idea Darren had the Mamba LOL!
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Ed, can you post a complete esc setup for the MMP for 13.5 touring car. Track is 90'x36' full straight. I have access to a few different motor brands.....Speedpassion V2 and V3, LRP , Novak Ballistic and Trinity Nemesis. I have a Tamiya 416X and we use Jaco blue rubber tires. Any info would be greatly apreciated.
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That's really difficult for me to answer, as I've only run the speedo with 10.5's... Actually haven't run a 13.5 for over a year!!
Anyway, the ramp should be similar for all the motor types you say you have, mainly as I think they all gear similarly (I.e a few pinions), so start out with the ramp range at about 5500-9000, should be a good starting point.
(The ramp is dependant on gearing mind, a lower fdr will mean the motor is effectively revving less for the same speed, so assuming your doing the same speed at a given point on track, you'd want the timing ramp to come in lower with a lower FDR.)
Timing wise, I think most of those motors should take at least 40deg of timing, if not max, but it would still be best to start out with lower than that, get the gearing and ramp sorted, then start upping the timing.

Which LRP motor is it btw?... As this leads neatly onto Bens Q

IMO (and it doesn't count for that much really, and bear in mind I fund motors out of my own pocket at full retail) the fastest motor out there at the moment is the X12. Yes, it runs a little hot in comparison to some, but it can take those temps. I would suggest running it with the timing wound down as much as poss (oooo insert), as that will gain you both torque, and drop the temps... Then use the speedo to gain back the top end.

Now I haven't run them back to back with anything in a tc yet, but in the 12th, going from a v2 SP to an X12, I had to drop the cheat timing 20deg's, and drop 6 teeth on the pinion... Was still faster with the X, Temps came off at 71degC, and I was dumping two meeting old cells !! Kinda gives an indication of the grunt its got coupled with the Mamba speedo...

My second choice is the v3 SP motor, really like the thinking behind it, and runs pretty cool too

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Cool, thanks ED....and I have the X12 Lrp motors setup with the oooo timing insert.
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Hi everyone. First post on here and sadly its a problem.

I can run my MMP fine on 6 and 7 cell NiMH packs. But when I try a 3s lipo it does nothing.

Have tried many settings with the castle link, but still nothing.

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A small video of a problem Im having with my MMP. i figured it would be easier than explaning in text. Thanks in advance for any ideas

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If you have any timing in the motor itself bring it to neutral and test it. If already at neutral try dropping to 30 degrees timing in the ESC and test to see if there is any difference. Next (as someone else suggested), drop your activation range down to something in the 3000-7000 range so you know you're hitting full timing with your battery voltage and motor kv under the load (albeit it not much).
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Old 03-06-2010, 06:22 AM   #727
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Good to hear that you sorted the switch Ben. What did you change on the esc when you put in the 10.5, or did you leave on the same settings you used on the 13.5? Also, did you get a chance to come up against the SXX and compare?

I'm amazed that the SXX looks so lumpy. When I saw it I thought the same as you, especially on the middle of sweepers! - Perhaps the 'feel' was set too high on it.
By the way, I had no idea Darren had the Mamba LOL!
Hi Max, now I am getting use to the MMP and smoothing my throttle finger. Getting some ideas revs range. You can make it punchy on the straight, narrow rev range or really smooth wide rev range. Finding the range is not just only how long the straight is but what FDR you use and motor (Like TRYHARD all ready mention). Ran Ballistic 10.5, FDR 6.8 and found 5,800 was not letting the cheat come in till over half way down the straight, ended at 4,200 starts. Max Iím thinking now to running how we used to with SPX in the 8.+ FDR using the revs but now we can set were the timing comes in and how much timing. Sorry but say what I see the LRP SXX is fast but over rated, like a on and off switch with loads of faults. MMP setup right is a lot smoother and when the sweet spot is found will be just as quick or even faster. After seeing how fast Darren SP 13.5 motor was and TRYHARD second choice of motor, just ordered SP V3 10.5 motor to try.
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What would be great if when you custom set rpm start range that the end rpm was not preset and you could enter your own?
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Hi Ben,

So surely, with a particular rev start, which is where on the straight the punch kicks in, can be tuned as you mention with the gearing itself. This is like having 1 very good setup on the esc (ala SPX!) that works brilliant on say a twisty indoor carpet track with a small straight and instead of changing the timing, simply gear down a touch, accordingly.

What I would want as a setup, personally is a much more powerful SPX (which isn't the way the SXX stock spec is by the sounds of things) how your finger tells it to respond. I don't want a jumpy kick mid corner.
Would you say that you have a setup thats a good combination of speed/smooth acceleration?

When you say that you run the Ballistic with timing '0', is this like the stock setting on the Novak ss? (i.e not all the way retarded). I would still like to try the Novak 10.5ss first. The great thing is about this esc is that because its so well priced, I will probably get the the latest SP/GM motor as well. With the LRP SXX stock, I wouldn't have the dosh to buy additional motors LOL!




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Hi Max, now I am getting use to the MMP and smoothing my throttle finger. Getting some ideas revs range. You can make it punchy on the straight, narrow rev range or really smooth wide rev range. Finding the range is not just only how long the straight is but what FDR you use and motor (Like TRYHARD all ready mention). Ran Ballistic 10.5, FDR 6.8 and found 5,800 was not letting the cheat come in till over half way down the straight, ended at 4,200 starts. Max Iím thinking now to running how we used to with SPX in the 8.+ FDR using the revs but now we can set were the timing comes in and how much timing. Sorry but say what I see the LRP SXX is fast but over rated, like a on and off switch with loads of faults. MMP setup right is a lot smoother and when the sweet spot is found will be just as quick or even faster. After seeing how fast Darren SP 13.5 motor was and TRYHARD second choice of motor, just ordered SP V3 10.5 motor to try.
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Hi Ben,

So surely, with a particular rev start, which is where on the straight the punch kicks in, can be tuned as you mention with the gearing itself. This is like having 1 very good setup on the esc (ala SPX!) that works brilliant on say a twisty indoor carpet track with a small straight and instead of changing the timing, simply gear down a touch, accordingly.

What I would want as a setup, personally is a much more powerful SPX (which isn't the way the SXX stock spec is by the sounds of things) how your finger tells it to respond. I don't want a jumpy kick mid corner.
Would you say that you have a setup thats a good combination of speed/smooth acceleration?

When you say that you run the Ballistic with timing '0', is this like the stock setting on the Novak ss? (i.e not all the way retarded). I would still like to try the Novak 10.5ss first. The great thing is about this esc is that because its so well priced, I will probably get the the latest SP/GM motor as well. With the LRP SXX stock, I wouldn't have the dosh to buy additional motors LOL!

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MMP has way more power and punch than the SPX, thatís what caught me out at first, you can make it as smooth or punchy as you like, N on the Ballistic is 30+. On the 10.5ss I had to turn 1/8 down from max with 50 T on cheat mode setting, run a bit too hot. This Speedo is really smooth if you set it up right unlike SXX. you can set MMP how punchy to how you like. This is all new to me (setting rpm range) I even turned cheat mode off and upped the timing on the motor Friday at Sidcup which is a small track as you know and it was still fast (I sound like a sales man) but I and others are so impressed with this Speedo just seem too good to be true for this price, its early days only been running it for a short time but so far so good, the only thing was the switch on one of my MMP, but did have a couple hard crashes but the other one is OK so far.
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MMP has way more power and punch than the SPX, thatís what caught me out at first, you can make it as smooth or punchy as you like, N on the Ballistic is 30+. On the 10.5ss I had to turn 1/8 down from max with 50 T on cheat mode setting, run a bit too hot. This Speedo is really smooth if you set it up right unlike SXX. you can set MMP how punchy to how you like. This is all new to me (setting rpm range) I even turned cheat mode off and upped the timing on the motor Friday at Sidcup which is a small track as you know and it was still fast (I sound like a sales man) but I and others are so impressed with this Speedo just seem too good to be true for this price, its early days only been running it for a short time but so far so good, the only thing was the switch on one of my MMP, but did have a couple hard crashes but the other one is OK so far.
Thanks Ben. I cannot wait to get this thing. I just have to move my receiver to the top of the servo, as the Mamba is so big. No big deal at all. As long as its about 20 grams heavier, all I need to do is move the transponder onto the other side of the car. My car is 1365 on Sorex greys, so it saves me adding weight for when I use Sorex JBs.

It must be nice needing to turn it down!
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I want try this setup on next Race

Start Power: Medium
Motor Type: Only Sensored
Punch: Disabled
C.H.E.A.T Mode: on
Timing: 30į
RPM: 10.500 to 16.200
Motor: Lipotech XR 17,5(13,5mm rotor)
FDR: I start with 6

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Lower your RPM range start and 4000-5000 and end at 7000-9000... Higher turn motor have Lower Peak RPM if you have you RPM set that high you might not even get the timing to kick in.

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Start Power: Medium
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Punch: Disabled
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Timing: 30į
RPM: 10.500 to 16.200
Motor: Lipotech XR 17,5(13,5mm rotor)
FDR: I start with 6

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Davin, I am having the exact same problem on my 1/12. I am running a Trinity Nemesis 13.5 and a Mamba Max Pro 1 cell. My cheat timing is set to 30 degrees and comes in around the 5000-8000 rpm range. (forget the exact numbers, but it's somewhere around there).

What i have discovered is that this problem occurs when I throttle up slowly. when i punch it, it seemed to do fine. I took the stock timing setting from my motor can (which was 15 degrees) and lowered it to 10 degrees. And it seemed to make the problem get better. I took it down another 5 to 5 degrees and it made the issue go away.

I was going to post a video of mine, too, but you beat me to the punch. Would have been an identical vid, but with a 1/12.

I'm not an expert, but i really doubt this has anything to do with battery amp draw or sensor wires. I think it either may be a software problem and/or a motor timing issue. I wish someone from castle creations would weigh in on this.
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Lower your RPM range start and 4000-5000 and end at 7000-9000... Higher turn motor have Lower Peak RPM if you have you RPM set that high you might not even get the timing to kick in.
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the last race Run Vs 10,5, I try Cheat mode with 8.000 start- 11.000, 50į timing and FDR 6,2:
outside curves went away to 10.5 , but half straight I Haven't speed...
temp of motor is higher...167 įF, I could add teeth to the pinion...
Why is this happening?
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I already did. See post #726

@ Davin....Forgot one thing. If you have the Castle Link plug in and make sure you have the latest software on the controller (v1.25). If you don't show that version available download the latest version of software from our website, and then download the software to the ESC. After you update the ESC software make sure you re-calibrate the ESC to your radio. Let me know what you find out after trying this and the things from post #726.
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