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Old 01-18-2010, 01:54 PM   #466
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your RPM is set too high you will loose your bottom end since the motor needs too spool up to 14000 RMP before the timing boost kicks in.

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Clay medium to high bite track 65x40 so small track. Stock spur at 78 tooth, 21 tooth pinion. Novak 13.5 ss motor with full static timing.

Cheat mode enabled 14,000- 16,000 rpm
14 degrees of timing.
start power low
FDR 9.02
motor temp @ 75 degrees tons on punch and motor rips on the short straights.
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Old 01-18-2010, 02:43 PM   #467
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for the record, i didn't run it (nor did i run stock). but my backup car was, essentially, built/tuned by me as an identical car to be run in stock. and in doing this, the pilot (michael c. wise) requested a mmp for it (prior to finding out v203 was legit). so, with that said ...

we ran a duo and a duo2. james reilly also ran this combination. sydor tq'ed with the tekin, and reilly and wise qualified 2nd/3rd respectively with the mambas.

to answer your question, the advantage appeared to be all over the track. definitely in top end, but sydor had the low end at least matched as well. now, don't get me wrong, sydor can wheel and earned his win all by himself. (he's tq'ed every leg thus far). plus all three of them drove a different chassis (phi, t3, mi4), which is another variable, but there were a few standout cars that looked like they should have been running in superstock. to my knowledge, each of those had a tekin in them.

we have another leg at fastcats in a month. i'd like to have both units in the car between now and then generating some real data ...
Thanks for the response. I have seen the RS really get it at our track but it lost the bottom end some. That's why I am going to try the MMP cause I hear it has stupid bottom and the same top end as the Tekin v203. I will report back. I will report what I find and give results.
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Old 01-18-2010, 03:07 PM   #468
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we will see about that . haha
I'll buy the Tekin from you if you decided give it up
if your mamba is faster....
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Old 01-18-2010, 03:24 PM   #469
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Can I use the castle link that I got with my Mamba monster max on my MMP?

Also does anyone make a 17.5 non-sensored?
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Old 01-18-2010, 03:35 PM   #470
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Ok guys Mamba Max Pro did it again today on 4th round of our series...

Final setup:

ESC Profile: Cheat Mode
ESC Timing: 50 Degrees Crank that baby up
ESC RPM: 3400-3600 RPM
Start Power/Punch Conrtrol: Low
Motor Timing: 35 Degrees
FDR: 4.41
Motor: Novak Balistic 17.5
Motor Temp: 165-175 Degrees Fareheit
Batteries: TP 4200 40C Lipo
Chassis: Schumacher Mi3 with Exotek Chassis

I noticed that the esc rpm's are set at 3400-3600. Is that when it starts or is that the only 200 rpm that you give it timing? I noticed that others esc were set at 3000-15000 or so. It looks funny to me to only see a 200rpm window of added timing. Am I missing something or is this how the mmp works?
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Old 01-18-2010, 04:07 PM   #471
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Thats when the timing boost kicks in.... When your motor reach the RPM you set then the timing boost will kick in.. A lot of guys set it as high as possible but thats not how it works... You need to know how long is the straight if your track is technical or flowing.....

On a tight technical track you want your RPM and low to mid range RPM so your timing boost will kick in early... You always wanna play with your RPM that gives you bottom end and top end speed...

On my track is combination of flowing and tight section.... I set my RPM at low then end at high RPM with this setting car feel like you have second gear on the straightaway.... The timing boost will kick early enough to start and it will kick again at the high point of the RPM you set....

I'm telling you guys this mamba max PRO is something else..... you just need to really learn the in and outs of the program... My friend even have his LRP on mode 8 which is unlimited timing boost I still killed him on the straight... and I don't think no ESC can out punch MM PRO.... and all the guys that is LRP fanatic is now getting a mamba max pro at my local track....

I will be racing in august for the ROAR Nats in NORCAL so lets see hows the MAMBA MAX PRO perform against the big boys....

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I noticed that the esc rpm's are set at 3400-3600. Is that when it starts or is that the only 200 rpm that you give it timing? I noticed that others esc were set at 3000-15000 or so. It looks funny to me to only see a 200rpm window of added timing. Am I missing something or is this how the mmp works?
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Old 01-18-2010, 04:16 PM   #472
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Here's the results of our last race I'm running 13.5 ballistic with MM PRO Combo..

13.5 Expert

Name ID# Fastest Lap

Kim Melgar 12.019 (Mamba max PRO)
Jim Bishop 12.232 (LRP SPX)
Raul Palomino 12.444 (LRP SPX)
Ryan George 12.881 (NOVAK GTB)
Chris Giles 12.897 (Tekin Ver. 203)
Randy Duncan 12.937 (Novak GTB)


Here's the results of stock expert with me and my friend running 17.5 ballistic with mamba max pro..

17.5 Stock Expert

Name ID# Fastest Lap

Eric Dixon 11.907 (Mamba Max Pro)
Kim Melgar 12.094 (Mamba Max Pro)

Chris Scarbrough 12.715 (LRP SPX)
Brent Handley 13.733 (BRUSHED Setup)
Chris Holdridge 13.765 ( Speed Passion 2.0)

You guys can tell on the lap we are pulling MAMBA MAX PRO is faster...
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Old 01-18-2010, 07:45 PM   #473
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I set my RPM at low then end at high RPM with this setting car feel like you have second gear on the straightaway
So the ESC Rpm setting that you posted "3400-3600" is when the timing boost kicks end? What end rpm # do you run?

You said you set it low to kick in and then end it at a high rpm. So it will fly down the straight. My question is is it the 3600 that's in your post or is it higher?

Sorry for the questions. I do understand how it all works just was wondering why you set yours at start point 3400rpm and end point 3600 if you wanted a higher rpm. I thought you would have chosen 3400(boost starts)-14000(boost ends and turbo takes over) or something.
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At the last race I end with that RPM setup since I have the timing crank up to 50 degree timing the track setup at that race was really tight technical section... So I decided to have low RPM setup since I need more bottom end than top end... Like I said before you need to setup your RPM base on the track layout you are racing on...
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Old 01-18-2010, 09:01 PM   #475
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Advancing the timing = turbo/boost

cranking up the timing on your ESC/Motor will draw more amp out of your batteries this = more horsepower watts that will be produce...

40C lipo is actually better on high turn motor because you can actually use it..
50C lipo is good for low turn mod motor..
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I think you guys must first understand what is timing and why it exists to make full use of its advantages.

Here's something to refresh your minds on
http://www.stefanv.com/rcstuff/qf200212.html
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I wanted some advice.

I currently own a LRP SXX Competition but am planning to run stock
with a 1/12th RC12R5.1 , LRP Vector X11 10.5t Stock Spec and Reedy 1s 3.7v Lipo.

Are you guys who run a similar setup using a booster or a receiver pack ?

I would like to use a booster instead of a receiver pack due to the space constraints one has with a 1/12th pancar.

I would also be using a Spektrum DX3R , SR3520 receiver with the SPM1600 cap.

Would this work with the Mamba Max Pro 1s edition ?

Any experiences or advice with the above ?

Erik

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Old 01-19-2010, 10:42 AM   #478
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I use 300mah lipo pack they are small enough to fit on 1/12 front end.... Also using a rx pack you Have a full 7.4 volts powering your servo and receiver..
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I don't think mamba max pro will fit 1/12 scale they are just too tall that's without the hit sink
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Old 01-19-2010, 10:54 AM   #480
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i think he was asking about the singlecell mamba.
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