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Old 11-13-2013, 03:14 AM   #1321
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Thumbs up Unofficial European Championship pro10

Some info from another thread:

Helly Guys,

i have great Information for alle Pro10 drivers, especially for the European Drivers.

in South of Germany will open End of the Year an Indoo Asphalt Track with ca. 220m length and 3,7m wide.

For Opening we will held a special Race! 13 Years ago was the last Pro10 European Championchip. The ever first was in Germany and the last in 2001 also.
After a big break we would activate again a unofficiall European Championship Pro10.
So we have no Problems with weather and rain.
We have Feedback that Drivers would come from France, Netherlands, Swiss, Austria, Czech repuplic and Germany of course.
We hope and wish us over 100 entries.
If some Drivers would come and are not from Europe, you can also start!! Nobody must stay at home!

We have until no date but we would start in middle - end of March 2014.

Rules are very easy:
Pro10 typical Cars with 2WD
max. wide 250mm
Lengh max. 560mm
Wheelbase 228-280mm
Weight 1200g inc. personal Transponder
Body free but all tires must be overlap
2s Lipo, No speedo Limmit, No Motor Limmit (only 540mm Motors like TC)
Tires are free.
Additive only non smell. No Paragon

Look at platzhirsch.net/rc-indoorpiste/ for Track.

At the moment are no Asphalt but there will come in 2-3 weeks.
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Man, we need a few tracks like that here in the states. It would be good to have some asphalt tracks where racing can keep rolling even as the snow falls outside
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Old 04-15-2014, 03:50 AM   #1324
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1200Gr why so heavy ???

My OLD RC10 is 700gr... must add 500Gr of usless weight ???
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Old 04-15-2014, 04:13 AM   #1325
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700 gr.?? Race ready?

What are you running in the car? 1S softcase?

If you have a 235mm race ready Pro10 (and certainly an older RC10L) with 2S lipo and normal sized electronics you will get somewhere between 1100 - 1250gr.

I am very curious about the electronics you run...
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Old 04-15-2014, 06:11 AM   #1326
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See by yourself :

722Gr with a 1S roar lipo and a 6.5T
786Gr with a 2S roar shorty lipo and a 6.5T

With a heavy body (104Gr) and normal tires (77Gr)
903Gr race ready (1S)
967Gr race ready (2S)

Old pro10 cars can stay under 900 Gr with lightweight spares...
Modern pro10 cars can stay under 800 Gr with lightweight spares... IMHO

Tires, body, lipos, motor are free... weight must be absurdly enormous.
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Old 04-15-2014, 07:58 AM   #1327
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A complete Pro10 chassis including tires, body, and electronics that can handle the power weight in at around 850-900 gr. That is excluding a battery!
In Europe we drive 2S. in modified you see 4.5T motors, stock is 10.5T boosted.
With a shorty you can watch your competitors racing after 4 min (or less) racetime.
Most drivers use batteries in the 6000+ range and these are around 300gr.
Voila, there is the 1200 gr.
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Old 04-15-2014, 08:16 AM   #1328
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A complete Pro10 chassis including tires, body, and electronics that can handle the power weight in at around 850-900 gr. That is excluding a battery!
In Europe we drive 2S. in modified you see 4.5T motors, stock is 10.5T boosted.
With a shorty you can watch your competitors racing after 4 min (or less) racetime.
Most drivers use batteries in the 6000+ range and these are around 300gr.
Voila, there is the 1200 gr.
Ok !
1117gr with my old stock RC10G (steel axles, balls an skrews) and heavy body.
Why not free the weight ?
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Why would we? You seem to be the only one here who thinks the weight is too high.
Where are you from? And are you going to race here in Holland or Germany?

With a shorty lipo you will not take it to the finish line with a 10.5 stock motor and 7 minutes of race time.
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Why would we? You seem to be the only one here who thinks the weight is too high.
Where are you from? And are you going to race here in Holland or Germany?

With a shorty lipo you will not take it to the finish line with a 10.5 stock motor and 7 minutes of race time.
I'm French, and i like to talk about and promote PRO10 cars
sorry for the inconvenience

Now I know that if I come... i need 83Gr of weight even with big 2S lipos

Have a great race

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Old 04-15-2014, 12:13 PM   #1331
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It is not an inconveniance at all...
There is more to it than you seem to realize. If you make a pancar lighter, it will not drive better. Because it's rear wheel driven you actually need the weight in the car.

We have lowered the national weight here in Holland from 1200 to 1100grams and when you see the races, the cars with 1200gr drive just as good or even better than the lighter cars.

It wasn't to diss you or piss you off at all. I just think that if someone wants to drive a class, he/she must adapt the car to the class and not the other way around.

What kind of chassis is the RC10G? I have never heard or seen it.
Again, you can use normal electronics and fullsize 2s lipos and make the weight easy...
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I see in the picture above that you have a RC10L3.
This is a 200mm car. That is also a reason why you are lighter.
A 235mm chassis is on it's own somewhat heavier. Also the 235mm bodies have more weight.
That will explain the 80gr you are missing with a fullsize 2s lipo...

My chassis without wheels and body but with 2s lipo is 970gr.
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Old 04-16-2014, 03:57 AM   #1334
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I see in the picture above that you have a RC10L3.
This is a 200mm car. That is also a reason why you are lighter.
A 235mm chassis is on it's own somewhat heavier. Also the 235mm bodies have more weight.
That will explain the 80gr you are missing with a fullsize 2s lipo...

My chassis without wheels and body but with 2s lipo is 970gr.

Thank you , to take some time for an old french racer ! i'm comming from the past... my last race was in nineties
In that past, Trinity, on their pro10 were used two thin sheets of carbon on a 2mm sheet of paper (yes, cellulose from the trees) to make their 2.5mm chassis lighter (and it was).
Old Trinity Pro10 are mainly made of paper... weigth was an issue.

you are right, it's a RC10L3T but it is only 190mm, i think it can be faster on short indoor twisty tracks with its lighter, narrower an shorter chassis when power is not an issue

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