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Old 10-11-2009, 12:42 PM   #1261
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The big question about the rubber tires is if they are going to be in a usable compound? Is it a direction that Tamiya is going go for TCS, or are they going to be typical hard crap kit tires that are hard as rocks and not usable for anything but looking good on a shelf.
I prefer to stay with foams for F1. Yes, you have to watch rollout and ride height, but the grip they deliver is great. It just adds another element of tuning for the cars.
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Old 10-11-2009, 01:27 PM   #1262
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Old 10-11-2009, 02:48 PM   #1263
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rubber tires are much more consistant across a broad spectrum. alittle less grip on some surfaces and a little more grip on some others. You can tune the chassis with small changes like rear shock preload or ft springs or ride ht.
The car will always be predictable with rubber. With foam, as the tire wears you have to make corrections in your gearing(fdr& rollout) and ride ht. traction also changes as foam wears differently at each corner depending on your track.
Foam I always have to sauce(pain in the ass) and rubber I just wipe off between the heats and never sauce
I have run rubber on my f103 since it became avail. and the f104 will be no different for me.
Rubber also saves you a ton of $$ too
I am in TOTAL AGREEMENT with you statement!

The rubber tires for the F-103 was the best thing that ever happened to the class. I'll never understand why Tamiya chose to re-release the F-103 with foams, what a P.I.T.A.

When the rubber tyres get here for the 104 it will not take long to make them work well.
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Old 10-11-2009, 03:10 PM   #1264
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The one thing I noticed when I came over to US soil back in 1999 was how much warmer the ground temperature was, I of course came over with tyres used in the summer time of England where we had to run 25 and 30 compound to find any grip, and it was only after running on a US track that I found the 25's going to jelly after 2 minutes and the 30's in under 3 minutes.
What i had to find was the standard kit Kyosho tyres which the US guys were selling us Europeans at $35 a pair just to keep the tyres together for the 5 minute runs.

Now the opposite happened here with F1 cars, they made Rubber tyres the only tyres to use in the Tamiya series, and no one could find the grip and was simply doing doughnuts, of course it killed the interest in F1 in the UK.

Rubber may work on the hotter tracks of US soil, but they do not work on the colder tracks of Europe. We have to run Foam to get any grip.
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Old 10-11-2009, 05:11 PM   #1265
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I am sure tamiya will make rubber in different compounds just like the 103. I used to use type A compound in cold weather with good results and B for the rest of the year...cold in florida is 50 deg. and 85-95 the rest of the year
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are the hop ups available for this car now?
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Old 10-11-2009, 08:43 PM   #1267
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are the hop ups available for this car now?
Here is a list of available hop-ups...
http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/rcp...=desc&offset=1
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Old 10-12-2009, 01:26 AM   #1268
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are the hop ups available for this car now?
yes... it's called the F104 Pro...

just kidding... the list above should be adequate for sourcing your hop-up needs
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I totaly agree with 414MPH and fat500 about the rubber tires. My experience has been the same over the years as they hold up better, don't require constant saucing, tire diameter stays constant(no roll-out crap to deal with)
and they just flat look better because they are RUBBER and therefore look like the real tires!

While in certain circumstances foam tires will outperform rubber tires, I feel that they are just not worth the extra bother and maintenance that goes along with them to make them work. And because they do decrease in diameter that changes the gearing and creates other issues which just serve to overcomplicate the whole thing which in turn tends to turn most people off because they just want to get out there and race and have FUN! Plus they don't last as long as rubber tires and therefore need to be replaced more frequently which drives the cost of racing up which drives many away from on-road racing.

However, whether you are racing F1 or touring cars on-road make sure that evryone in your class is either all running rubber tires or all running foam tires as the two types don't mix well and that leads to other problems.
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I am glad we are mostly all in agreement
I can remember when F1 took off last time because the rubber tires came out
and made everything more enjoyable about the class
I can remember buying that new set of foams, first run...hitting the boards and taking a chunk out of the tires
How many of you has this happened to?
The f104 class will come ALIVE with the release of the f60 and the rubber tires
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For those looking for F1 decals; http://cgi.ebay.com/f103-decals-for-...item3ef92ed4fb

Not very detailed, but you can make something of it.....
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I am glad we are mostly all in agreement
I can remember when F1 took off last time because the rubber tires came out
and made everything more enjoyable about the class
I can remember buying that new set of foams, first run...hitting the boards and taking a chunk out of the tires
How many of you has this happened to?
The f104 class will come ALIVE with the release of the f60 and the rubber tires
Have you not heard of glueing the side walls?
Stops all that chunking nonsense
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Does anybody know which ddrive's decals to take for this seasons BMW?
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Does anybody know which ddrive's decals to take for this seasons BMW?
http://d-drivesportsenglish.com/inde...products_id=67

and a few more here

http://d-drivesportsenglish.com/inde...roducts_id=435
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D-drive has some decals back in stock... I just ordered my set of cheatING Renault. Will be a awesome scheme on a F104.... :-)
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