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Old 09-20-2009, 10:42 PM   #916
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Good to hear your car is working well. I've dialed the steering down a fair bit too. But removing the rear spring was what allowed me to go from half throttle to full throttle driving - even on the straights. Sounds like everyone is starting to get the chassis working which is good. And if anyone finds a good setup, please share by posting your setup sheet.
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Old 09-20-2009, 10:51 PM   #917
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sorry for my ignorance.........with the removal of the rear spring, that's improving the car's stability at high speeds....would/could you get the same type of effect by running the soft t bar?
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Old 09-20-2009, 11:07 PM   #918
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On the F104, the T-bar affects movement of the rear pod in all directions. But the shock only comes into play when the whole pod is moving up and down. So yes, a softer T-bar will help because the rear end is softer in all situations. But you will also get more understeer in the turns because the rear end is softer in roll.

But by removing the spring and using the std T-bar, you soften the rear pod only when the whole pod moves up and down - ie under acceleration and over sharp undulations. The idea is you still get the steering response of the stock T-bar because you have the higher roll stiffness. But you also get better grip and stability under acceleration and over sharp bumps.
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Old 09-20-2009, 11:15 PM   #919
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thanks for that veecee, that makes more sense.
I've ordered mine last week and trying to get together a list of things to get based on the comments so far.....tires are the big thing by the sounds of it, and I'll be getting some Tamiya B for upfront as that sounds like it is helping with the steering.
No doubt will have many more questions
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Old 09-20-2009, 11:28 PM   #920
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No worries. I still want to do more tinkering with the setup and that includes trying the softer T-bar at some stage. But out of the box, the car works well just by removing the shock spring. So it's a great way to get the car running if you want to hit the track straight away. The 3.5mm offset steering hub is handy.

Tyres are important too. I would like to try some Zen F104 foams once they are available from HK again.
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Old 09-21-2009, 08:10 AM   #921
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Hey Folks,

I've finished my F104 a couple of weeks ago.

Now I drove it at a parking lot not far from my homeplace two weeks ago.
I had a lot of oversteer on the rear when I've accelerated out of the corner.
Might this result out of my ride height? I've put it on the maximum because of the bumps on the surface of the parking lot.

I changed the t-bar to the soft one (1,3 mm / 0.05 ") from 3racing. This helps a bit.

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Old 09-21-2009, 08:30 AM   #922
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anyone tried yeah racing t-bar?
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Old 09-21-2009, 10:15 AM   #923
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anyone tried yeah racing t-bar?
I'm not sure you can make it fit the F104.
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Old 09-21-2009, 10:52 AM   #924
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Has anyone tried just running a softer spring, rather than taking the spring out all together? Or is it best to just take the spring out and leave it?
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Old 09-21-2009, 12:56 PM   #925
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if anyone can point me to a softer spring I'm all ears!
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Old 09-21-2009, 01:09 PM   #926
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if anyone can point me to a softer spring I'm all ears!
stock spring 11.9lbs
http://www.thard.co.uk/download/file.php?id=92

tamiya option softer ones:
http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/ite...oduct-id=53333
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Old 09-21-2009, 02:28 PM   #927
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What spring rate (in lbs) are these springs?
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Old 09-21-2009, 03:18 PM   #928
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Hey - are these the "holy grail" Tamiya ProMod 6.5, 7.5, 8.5 springs?
If so - they are definitely a Must Buy!
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Old 09-21-2009, 03:29 PM   #929
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Tamiya Ferrari F60

"Tamiya has a new edition to the 1/10 scale R/C F104 Series line up, an Officially Licensed 2009 season Ferrari F60. In the 2009 F1 season, Ferrari released the new F60 vehicle to celebrate 60 years of competition. The new F1 Ferrari debuted at the Australian Grand Prix. The F60 started off the season slow, but has gone on to win first place at Round 4 and scored points in every race since. The F60 has taken three 3rd place finishes, one 2nd place finish and a 1st place win at the Belgian Grand Prix. After 12 races, Ferrari holds the third position in the Constructors standings.

Specs & Features
This is an OFFICIALLY LICENSED 1/10 scale R/C assembly kit of the Ferrari F60 F-1 Car.
The kit features 3-dimensional front and rear wings, rear diffuser, side mirrors, and aerofoil suspension arms for enhanced realism.
New rubber tires and wheels enhance the scale realism of the F60. (4pcs.)
Body can be assembled with or without the polycarbonate sloped side pontoons.
Finish the body with Item 89922 PS F60 Ferrari Red).
TEU-104BK ESC and Type-540 motor included.
2-channel R/C system, battery pack & charger are separately required.
The F104 chassis features the same component layout as the F104 PRO and can be upgraded to F104 PRO standards with separately available Option Parts.
The F60 features the following new parts:
3.2mm thick FRP lower deck.
2mm thick FRP upper deck.
Stainless steel rear shaft.
Wheel base parts.
H Parts (Rear wing).
J Parts (Front wing).
A wide variety of Option Parts are separately available to further customize your F104
Item 84058 F104 Titanium Screw Set (Limited Edition R/C Parts)
Item 54159 F104 Aluminum Horn for Hi-Torque Servo Saver
Item 54165 F104 Soft T-bar
Item 54166 F104 Aluminum Motor Mount (Right & Left)
Item 54167 F104 Sponge Tires B (4430, Front, Standard)
Item 54168 F104 Sponge Tires B (4435, Rear, Standard)
Item 54169 F104 Aluminum Pivot Post.
Item 54176 Formula-Tuned Motor (32T).

Comparison with F104 and F104 PRO Chassis
F104 chassis F104PRO chassis
FRP upper and lower decks Carbon upper and lower decks
Stainless rear shaft Carbon rear shaft
Resin diff. housing Aluminum diff. housing
Friction damper TRF Special Damper
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Awesome catch on the Tamiya site.

Comes with an esc thats not even listed on the site... That will probably up the price probably beyond what the 104 pro is available now for?
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