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Old 04-20-2012, 07:02 AM   #8131
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Hi all, Im new to F1 rc (but have raced touring cars/VTA for some time).

I would like to learn few things:

I have the F104 Pro . Just build and only hop up is the alloy motor mount. -And changed the king pin spacers to alloy ones also.

Got pit(0571 and 0572) and tamiya rubbers(soft rears/hard fronts) to try but need help with setting this up for cold low grip asphalt track.

I have ordered the counterweight for rear axle ,Tamiya front spring set and 3racing T-bars.(all 3 T bars and all 3 one piece T bars).
-What is the difference with one piece t-bar and the 2 piece t-bar setups?

The O-ring that is under the middle screw in the T-bar,(roll adj. screw) what is that for, fine tuning the damper plate settings maybe? -I know it adjusts roll(doh) ,but what does that do to the car.

The servo is installed like on manual but alot of bump steer, is this something to fix or just designed to work like this? -I have read that the servo can be angled but is there any info to what angle/etc. things to know?


I know this is alot of qs but I have read this whole topic and did not find help to solving these things.


Can you help me to set this thing up?


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Old 04-20-2012, 08:39 AM   #8132
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A lot of F104 tuning goodies on RobKs site RCF1Blog
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Old 04-20-2012, 10:25 PM   #8133
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Hi all, Im new to F1 rc (but have raced touring cars/VTA for some time).

I would like to learn few things:

I have the F104 Pro . Just build and only hop up is the alloy motor mount. -And changed the king pin spacers to alloy ones also.

Got pit(0571 and 0572) and tamiya rubbers(soft rears/hard fronts) to try but need help with setting this up for cold low grip asphalt track.

The pit 571 is good. Get the pit 575 for the rear though. They work a charm for cold weather. Tamiya rubber is no good for cold conditions so don't bother until the warmer months. Though I'd still stick to using pit 571/572 when warmer.

I have ordered the counterweight for rear axle ,Tamiya front spring set and 3racing T-bars.(all 3 T bars and all 3 one piece T bars).
-What is the difference with one piece t-bar and the 2 piece t-bar setups?

Just the way they mount. The one piece will be lighter weight and you could argue they will be more durable. Just use the 1.3mm ones as they are softest.

The O-ring that is under the middle screw in the T-bar,(roll adj. screw) what is that for, fine tuning the damper plate settings maybe? -I know it adjusts roll(doh) ,but what does that do to the car.

Stops the car from bottoming out. I use the blue trf o ring in there instead of the black one. The orange o ring would be fine as well. I also suggest when the t bar is flat (holding car sideways) have the screw sticking out about .5-1mm.

The servo is installed like on manual but alot of bump steer, is this something to fix or just designed to work like this? -I have read that the servo can be angled but is there any info to what angle/etc. things to know?

No input on this one. I am making the car work with the standard servo position.
I know this is alot of qs but I have read this whole topic and did not find help to solving these things.


Can you help me to set this thing up?


thanks,

Pate
Some other things I did to my car (running night time on asphalt which gets fairly cold) include running the gold m04 spring in the rear damper with 25-30wt oil. 3-5 degrees toe out on the front arms. 1.5 degrees camber. ensure the front-rear ride height is identical (4-5mm depending on the track).

That should give you a pretty good point to work with. Keep in mind though the car is 2wd so it will never be able to be pushed out of corners like a TC can.



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anyone see it yet?

Great to finally see a picture of it. Looks interesting so I look forward to driving one once it is out. I'm sure it'll make me retire the f104x1.
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Old 04-20-2012, 10:53 PM   #8134
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can you use the f104gp chassis with standard tbars??? would like it if tamiya made the frp chassis with the side bits for the electronics
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can you use the f104gp chassis with standard tbars??? would like it if tamiya made the frp chassis with the side bits for the electronics
You can use the f104gp chassis with these t bars:

f104gp t bar
f104 standard t bars using the bottom plate from the gear case parts
f104 3racing t bars (one piece)

Even though the f104gp chassis is carbon instead of frp like the x1 one I think the f104gp one does seem to have enough flex in it due to the extra cutout for the larger t bar. Just need to wait for the f104gp chassis to become available. The t bar only just became available at some shops but is hard to come by.
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once again thanks j-pap
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Happy to help. Been going through all the initial setup of f1 fairly recently myself. Still learning heaps as im getting more into it.
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its coming together nicely.....
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Get some 16 gauge wire for the motor wires. Should free up your rear pod a little more.
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its coming together nicely.....
Would it not be best to mount that esc on its side to help with balancing?
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Old 04-21-2012, 12:23 AM   #8141
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dont like it on its side ...but i might look at it
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if you dont mount the esc under the carbon battery locking plate the battery slides in and out no problem as it will be in line with the chassis before you slide it in.

If you do mount the esc under the carbon locking plate then the easiest way is to loosen the 2 nuts in the top plate and remove the two screws as to raise the top plate to allow the battery to slot in. Only takes an extra 20 seconds to swap the battery anyway.

I usually leave the battery in the car for the night so removal/install is not an issue.
hey j-pap just realised how much easier i could make if for myself.....by mounting the esc where you said all i have to do is remove the actual post...cant get much easier than that....and mount the receiver on the battery locking plate...oh and i used smaller gauge wire..although its not black...
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Are you refitting it to race? As that post also holds the tbar. Check your body fits too with the receiver mounted there. Looking good though.
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Are you refitting it to race? As that post also holds the tbar. Check your body fits too with the receiver mounted there. Looking good though.
yes i will mate....and the body fits without any issues...although i have changed it slightly by placing the receiver right behind the servo....and i just threw the transponder in the hole between the servo and receiver
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Old 04-21-2012, 07:26 AM   #8145
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Thanks to J-PaP for your help. Cleared alot of ???s .


alot of cool stuff available for the f104 around -Just ordered Pirelli decals and rear led ,etc... from TQ,

This is only F1 car over here, 2 friends are interested also, hoping this F1 thing will catch on over here....

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