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Old 02-05-2011, 09:25 PM   #4471
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Car painting is finished.

sry for crappy pic will get better up later
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Old 02-05-2011, 11:39 PM   #4472
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i disagree. there is a difference.
wings don't matter? wow.
check out this video of the wind rushing through a F104 at speed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHbRa57e8Zs

Yes there's a lot of road roar but there's also the wind roar, and on such a small car these forces are not trivial. A little makes a lot of difference with these cars. No, the winds do not generate enough downforce to run the cars upside down, but we don't go that fast and we don't have tunnels underneath the cars.

btw, try to keep an eye on the car in front...especially when it pops off at the one minute mark!
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Old 02-06-2011, 12:04 AM   #4473
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I honestly did not see anything in that video to indicate the wings were doing anything...Do they make a difference? I think in some cases yes but you've got to be moving pretty fast for that to happen. Running silver can or black can motors...in my experience they do not. I've had rear wings come off and even half of a front wing once and the car still handled the same.
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Old 02-06-2011, 12:40 AM   #4474
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I've had rear wings come off and even half of a front wing once and the car still handled the same.
Me too. back in the late 90's on the F103 & HPI cars and now on my F104. Couple of weeks ago on my F104 I had a broken bottom element and the base mount was twisted in mid race. Flapping around like a mother! More annoying then anything else, but my setup was solid and the car performed perfectly (same rear grip as before).

Now I've bolted on the ferrari wing as the kit one is too far wrecked (CA can only do so much, haha). The Ferrari wing must be better right, it's FERRARI yes? hahahaha
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Now I've bolted on the ferrari wing as the kit one is too far wrecked (CA can only do so much, haha). The Ferrari wing must be better right, it's FERRARI yes? hahahaha
you will not know yourself once you go the ferrari wing.......extra speed just comes from everywhere
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Old 02-06-2011, 01:46 AM   #4476
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WINGS ABSOLUTELY MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE!
(otherwise you have no bumper at all )

Performance wise, not so much.
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Old 02-06-2011, 02:14 AM   #4477
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so there are 2 camps here, one says the wings works and the other dun.

I dunno if it truly does, but i like the car ran with F60 front and rear wings and the F104 Pro shell than with the Pro front and rear wings.

Maybe its doing something to my brain and says that it is faster and have better downforce!!
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Old 02-06-2011, 05:20 AM   #4478
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Smart looking new F104 front end from TRG - fully adjustable camber & caster.
I'm not sure but the height adjustment could be a bit limited..

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Old 02-06-2011, 05:21 AM   #4479
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Smart looking new F104 front end from TRG - fully adjustable camber & caster.
I'm not sure but the height adjustment could be a bit limited..

Very Nice, want one
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I dunno know about that front end Those "castor" turnbuckles look a bit dodgey and so does the knuckle set up. Castor should be sweeped back or forward. Those look like they will be pulling them in a weird angle.

Tamiya should just release fixed castor arms and cambered knuckles. Problem solved.
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Old 02-06-2011, 07:50 AM   #4481
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This is an OLD idea. Cars had it in 1989 when I started racing, and I am sure even before that.
It works really well. With that being said, it can be a pain in the arse trying to adjust. Make one change for camber, and you have to adjust caster to offset the effect of the camber.
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Old 02-06-2011, 08:07 AM   #4482
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That does look like an old design. It probably handles like one too
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Speedmerchant uses the same thing on their Rev.6 if you want 4.5dg of caster you can get it, its not really going to more or less fast, it just more adjustable, and it is more delicate in a crash.
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Old 02-06-2011, 09:05 AM   #4484
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I don't know if it is more delicate or not, but it is not user friendly. The F104 fixed upper arm can bend and warp in a hard hit. Then you have to buy a new upper arm. At least with this, you know it is not likely to bend. If you happen to break a ball cup, just replace it.
This front end is awesome if you feel comfortable with all the adjustment and have a way to measure it. I would say most will stick with the standard.
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Old 02-06-2011, 09:24 AM   #4485
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what are the two screws on the underside of the upper arm for? they have washers under them.
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