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Old 10-21-2010, 06:45 AM   #3511
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for the TCS rules, they mandated the use of the same wings on the same body (i.e. Ferrari F60 body = Ferrari F60 front and rear wings.)

but in the Tamiya Asia Cup series, even though the same rule was implied, it was still a grey area. while some of us ran the generic F-104 bodyshell with matching wings, we noted a few racers using the Ferrari F60 body but with the F-104 rear wing.

during the 2010 Tamiya Asia Cup Finals, since the surface was indoor carpet, the ideal body setup used by the majority in the A-Final was the F-104 body and wing combo. a few used the Ferrari F60 body and wing. but one of the F60 runners used an F-104 rear wing.
Thanks for the info!

What downforce settings of the rear wing do you guys use, standard or max....on the 104 body?

Does this setting really make that much of a difference?
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I'm halfway through building the EXO104 - so far I'm very impressed with the quality. Hopefully I can make the first test this week end (carpet/rubber tires).







So many wires so little space ... ... but I will work it out!
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Being that the Exotek chassis is not TCS leagal which class does it fall under? or you just run them all together?
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TCS legal isn't an issue for most F1 races unless you race at the Tamiya track. So Cal runs the F104, F10, F109, Exotek F10 and 104 etc all together.
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Being that the Exotek chassis is not TCS leagal which class does it fall under? or you just run them all together?
Our basic rule, is that is has to be an F1 kit car, with F1 tires and wheels.
That keeps it pretty simple.

i.e. no Corally or CRC Pan type Cars.
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Thanks for the info!

What downforce settings of the rear wing do you guys use, standard or max....on the 104 body?

Does this setting really make that much of a difference?
go with the max setting on the 104 wing. but then again, either setting on this wing seems to have less effect...

but even on max setting, the 104 seems to still have less downforce than the Ferrari F60 rear wing.
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go with the max setting on the 104 wing. but then again, either setting on this wing seems to have less effect...

but even on max setting, the 104 seems to still have less downforce than the Ferrari F60 rear wing.
Ok cool, so either way when I get a new body I will have to get the F60......
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for the TCS rules, they mandated the use of the same wings on the same body (i.e. Ferrari F60 body = Ferrari F60 front and rear wings.)

but in the Tamiya Asia Cup series, even though the same rule was implied, it was still a grey area. while some of us ran the generic F-104 bodyshell with matching wings, we noted a few racers using the Ferrari F60 body but with the F-104 rear wing.

during the 2010 Tamiya Asia Cup Finals, since the surface was indoor carpet, the ideal body setup used by the majority in the A-Final was the F-104 body and wing combo. a few used the Ferrari F60 body and wing. but one of the F60 runners used an F-104 rear wing.
Tamiya Japan lets you mix and match F104 bodies and wings,so if you win the trip here bring a few wings with you.
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Thanks dude!

Going to give it a miss then as I do not have time for detail.....it will only get banged up anyway and I am sure the body will have a little more strength if left as is!
The side pieces add strength,but make the body heavier,so you have a trade off there. But not using the side piecesis that really F1
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Ok cool, so either way when I get a new body I will have to get the F60......
if you meant getting an F60 rear wing, maybe so...

when i compared the F-104 body and the F60 body during the Tamiya Asia Cup finals, this is what i found out. and this was confirmed by the notes of the TCS North America champ:

F-104 body and wing set had less rear downforce and more front downforce = slight oversteer.

Ferrari F60 body and wing set had less front downforce and more rear downforce = slight understeer.

i figured if i will run in the F-1 class on a non-Tamiya race, i will be inclined to use the F-104 body and front wing plus Ferrari F60 rear wing to maximize the downforce on either end. a potentially good setup for tight tracks.
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if you meant getting an F60 rear wing, maybe so...

when i compared the F-104 body and the F60 body during the Tamiya Asia Cup finals, this is what i found out. and this was confirmed by the notes of the TCS North America champ:

F-104 body and wing set had less rear downforce and more front downforce = slight oversteer.

Ferrari F60 body and wing set had less front downforce and more rear downforce = slight understeer.

i figured if i will run in the F-1 class on a non-Tamiya race, i will be inclined to use the F-104 body and front wing plus Ferrari F60 rear wing to maximize the downforce on either end. a potentially good setup for tight tracks.
Thanks for the info!

As you said the ideal setup would be to combine the two but if the TC rules state otherwise then the best bet would be to use the F60 body set......understeer is better than oversteer

Well I do not have a 104 as yet....just gathering some info for now. Will use the 104 body to start with and get the F60 later once the original has some scratches on it
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Mike: Any idea when D-Drive will have the 104 kits in stock? Or did the ones they buy from you go on their cars to race? Looking forward to buying the conversion kit as soon as you or they have them in stock!
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Thanks for the info!

As you said the ideal setup would be to combine the two but if the TC rules state otherwise then the best bet would be to use the F60 body set......understeer is better than oversteer

Well I do not have a 104 as yet....just gathering some info for now. Will use the 104 body to start with and get the F60 later once the original has some scratches on it
yes. as a start it would be best to have the F60 body and wing set as it does have a bit of understeer. then move to the F104 Pro body and wing set if you feel that you have the confidence to let the back step out a bit.

but since you already have the 104Pro body, just set it to max downforce and get a feel for that...

but having said that, i wonder how will the new Vodafone Mclaren MP4/24 body and wing set react?
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Mike: Any idea when D-Drive will have the 104 kits in stock? Or did the ones they buy from you go on their cars to race? Looking forward to buying the conversion kit as soon as you or they have them in stock!

Hi- I wonder if they sold out already as they received them last week. Yesterday they were asking when the next batch would be in which is looking like Nov 1. I will probably do pre-orders again a few days before
the release.

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