lochness42

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What about 3Racing F1'09? It's link car and it's on market for quite long time now.

Sydewynder

I wasn't going to say anything esp. since the car is listed in GSXR's sig.

lochness42

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Yea you're right. I'm not reading people's sigs all the time. Anyway it's link car

abailey21

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So it looks as if the TRG setup fits the exotek, now I am intrigued!

bakaguyjean

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Thats the general unspoken rule for F1, If it doesnt look like an F1 car whats really the point anyway?

Barry White

As we are speaking F104 here. Scale looks. Anything more than 180mm wide is a cheater car!

abailey21

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Anytime you git the track NOT listening to Barry White is a cheater car

Barry White

MantisWorx

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i dont understand how the Exotec is a "link" suspension. the links are mounted at the same pivot point as the swivel, all the links do on that chassis is keep the pod square???? the 109 links actually change traction. its beautiful and i will probably get one but it doesnt look to me like a true link suspension, those links could be 5mm or 5" long and the car would handle the same.

gsxr0311

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yes, you are correct. the f109 is a link car, and i do have one. everybody i know that has one has not been able to keep up with an f103. im not sure if it is the chassis or the tires. i think it is because it is long and wide vs. short and wide or long and narrow. i have tried the tamiya tires, but it still doesn't seem to work that well. the f109 is a weird looking link car. the exotec actually looks like a link car. the f109 looks nothing like a scale car, the f104 does. so i stand corrected. what i should have said is that i am happy somebody made a link chassis for the f104, which looks scale, and exotec is the first one to do it. hopefully with the narrower with that the 104 has, and the link setup the car will rotate better around a corner.

as for the corraly, i hope i didn't offend anybody. that car has world gt tires on it, not traditional f1 tires. thats why i said it is a cheater. every f1 car that came out seem to have similar tires that look like current or past f1 tires, except the corraly.

gsxr0311

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im not sure if that is correct. if you look at the 12th scale picture, you will see that the exotec link setup looks like a 12th scale and a 10th scale pancar link suspension. it actually looks like a team associated 12th scale. the f109 is the weird looking link setup. the links are behind the pivot point. im not sure if it matters tho.

robk

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That is incorrect, as the migration of the axle will be less the longer the link, resulting in more traction. Just like long camber links vs. short camber links. That is why all the link cars have gone to the "12R5" style longer link.

lochness42

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I can't do anything but agree with your statements. Exotek conversion looks awesome and much better/realistically than F109.
So far I was able to keep up with F109 against F103, but maybe I was just better driver than others.
Anyway for me performance/price is great for F109 and I'm still very competitive so that's why I got myself one. Getting F104+Exotek conversion would make big blow in my wallet.

Foxxrocket

I've held off getting any hop-ups for my 104, but that Exotek is looking pretty sweet right now.

MantisWorx

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i beg to differ, if the link has the same pivot point as the swivel it does nothing, its impossible, the 109 has a link similar to a real car. as the pod pivots the link acts like a jack and wants to lift the chassis up which creates more traction. if you have been around drag cars at all its similar to a four link setup ( i have had a mid 8 second backhalved FD RX7 a few years ago). the links are supposed to be used to change the IC (instant center) which alters weight transfer. i know this is RC but the same principles should apply. A true link system will be able to alter the IC and weight transfer. believe it or not the 109 setup is closer to a link than the Exotec. just because it is used on the 12R5 does not mean that it is correct (although it may work better!!) i know that on my 109 lengthening the links creates more traction and also raising the mounting point on the chassis does too. just my .02 dont take it personal! if you have a CAD system draw it up and you will see what i mean. if the back of your links are at the same pivot point as the pod how can they do anything except keep the pod square, and this may be how it was designed to work. i think anything is better than friction plates. here is a damping system that i designed for the mini Z f1:
http://www.mantisworx.com/wp-content...5/DSC_0616.jpg

and here is a 4 link sketch:
http://www.dragstuff.com/forum/downl...75d4&mode=view