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Old 08-18-2010, 09:10 PM   #3166
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Looks different, besides the type of material.

One is flat at the rear of the deck and the other is in a W-shaped.
well then damn, i guess i really do need my glasses on

well then nevermind, i'm a dope and my comment should be removed
(which I'm going to do right now )
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Old 08-18-2010, 09:13 PM   #3167
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well then damn, i guess i really do need my glasses on

well then nevermind, i'm a dope and my comment should be removed
(which I'm going to do right now )
no biggie.
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Old 08-18-2010, 09:34 PM   #3168
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Greg, I went back and re-checked that thread that showed MikeR's HPI F1 car with that 1/18 lipo pack and he says it only weighs about 110 grams or 4 ounces!! So the weight savings is huge!! It is a Team Scream 1800 mah 35C hardcase lipo pack that he used. He was the winner of the day in the Ultimate F1 series.

I think he is on to something here and Greg, your findings do seem to support that. I really do believe that going to 1/18 lipo packs is the way to go in the future for F1 rc racing!
A few of the guys I race with have that setup on their HPI's with the Exotek bracket.
Do you guys know if they make a similar bracket for the F104 Pro?
Or would it be just a matter of finding a way to secure it in?
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Old 08-19-2010, 02:04 AM   #3169
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What is the part number for the F60 upper deck? Who has them in stock?
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Old 08-19-2010, 07:04 AM   #3170
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I need to stop by my friends shop today. I can get the part number then if nobody has posted by the time I get home.
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Old 08-19-2010, 07:08 AM   #3171
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What is the part number for the F60 upper deck? Who has them in stock?
according to the F60 manual, the part number is 14025071
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Old 08-19-2010, 12:10 PM   #3172
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anybody knows if there is any aftermarket diffuser for f104? I just did some practice driving with it and found out later that it's cracked.
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Old 08-19-2010, 01:51 PM   #3173
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AndreC, that is a good question. I honestly don't know if anyone makes an adapter for a 1/18 lipo pack for the F104. Maybe we can get MikeR at Exotek to make one! I'll try to suggest it to him. Maybe he reads this thread and will pick up on it!
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Old 08-19-2010, 01:54 PM   #3174
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has anyone tried tamiya rubbers?
i run mainly asphalt, so foams dont make the most sense to me.

it seems that tamiya only offers med/hard fronts but have med/soft rears.

has anyone tried the combo med/med?
or soft rear/med fronts? how is it on asphalt (30 degree air temps)?

My car already pushes with the kit A foams...this is with -1 camber and soft front springs
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has anyone tried tamiya rubbers?
i run mainly asphalt, so foams dont make the most sense to me.

it seems that tamiya only offers med/hard fronts but have med/soft rears.

has anyone tried the combo med/med?
or soft rear/med fronts? how is it on asphalt (30 degree air temps)?

My car already pushes with the kit A foams...this is with -1 camber and soft front springs
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Old 08-19-2010, 03:41 PM   #3176
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Med./kit fronts with soft/option rears, the only thing that works for me.

Keep em clean.

Warm climate, Tamiya Aliso.

Tried hard fronts and med rears with no success.

Some get away with med./kits front and rear but sketchy at best.
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I'm wondering if the rubber tires that come with the Wolf kit are any good.

Right now the 104 on the available rubber is average at best.

Really could use a boost by allowing the fatties in a good compound to make it a nice race car but that would kill the modern F1 spec look. (who cares cuz it's kind of a pig as it sits )
I tested the new Wolf F104 tires and the verdict was instant understeer at an indoor track at about 70 degree temp. Stock tires on the same F104 gave oversteer. The tire combo is not as stuck as the foam tires, but it is better than the stock tire combo.

The two biggest concerns with the new tires are ballooning at high rpm and ride height. The carcass expands at bit as the rpm's increase, which may give inconsistent handling. The new tires are so large that rear of the car is up compared to stock F104 tires.

I am not sure if the front tire is the same tiny tire previously found on the Tamiya Tyrell six-wheeler kit. If somebody know, speak up!
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anybody know where i can get the TRG Dual Roll Damper Unit for Tamiya F104?

anybody tried it yet? if so where did you get it and did it work?

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There's no way they run that car and the regular 104 cars together. The additional width would put the Wolf/Lotus way over the top.
I hope they do NOT ban the new Wolf at the TCS due to something like "limited availability." It was advertised a long time ago, released, and those who planned ahead had plenty of opportunity to get one. Heck, the car is already past advertising as the NEXT body set, the Lotus, is already being advertised.

Front suspension does not change the chassis. The precedent was set with the F103 which had three different front end arms (the original black plastic arms, the trick caster-changing arms, and finally the hard gray carbon arms). To me, these were tuning options to be bolted on/off as needed.

But no crazy combos - somebody who tries to run long arms with a narrow body or vice versa should not pass tech. That fits the spirit of F1 rule number 5, no mixing of wings. The Wolf is sold as an F104, I say let them have at it!

But they will probably ban it anyway because there are plenty of treacherous ex-F103 drivers with ten+ years of experience that would take the extra width, the different rear wing, the wide body, and the different tires and tune a very competitive car. You know, looking for the unfair advantage!

At the very least, somebody who bolts a set of soft option rear tires and hard fronts onto the Wolf should be stable. And with the correct tire inserts, They might be very competitive...perhaps to the extent to lap the narrow-car field?

One thing that made F1 interesting was the different cars the manufacturers brought to compete. Nowadays everybody tries to copycat and the paint is the only way to tell them apart. But if Tamiya keeps releasing more body sets from different eras for the F104, we could have some interesting battles!

What do you think? Predictions please!
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I hope they do NOT ban the new Wolf at the TCS due to something like "limited availability." It was advertised a long time ago, released, and those who planned ahead had plenty of opportunity to get one. Heck, the car is already past advertising as the NEXT body set, the Lotus, is already being advertised.

Front suspension does not change the chassis. The precedent was set with the F103 which had three different front end arms (the original black plastic arms, the trick caster-changing arms, and finally the hard gray carbon arms). To me, these were tuning options to be bolted on/off as needed.


What do you think? Predictions please!
The width of the car makes it so much better, that if the tires work ok, it's all over for the normal F104. It would have to be a separate class.

Example: On carpet the F103 is usually .3-.4 sec. per lap faster than an F104 on foams. The cars are not radically different, except in width and length.
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